Enough is enough

I'm not being pessimistic and saying what could happen I'm simply stating the obvious and saying what is happening. It's the nature of the world to move on and the majority of the dev team has probably moved with the old director. We can't expect changes right away now and we certainly can't expect them to keep up to everyones standards because they have more important things to be working on. I really have high hopes for FFXIV too and all of their effort will be going on that because it will probably take over FFXI's spot as the no.1 money maker for SE, and I think that's what their intentions were from the beginning. Like I said, not trying to say FFXI is dying because it won't truly die for a very very long time, but it was even officially stated that the dev team have moved to FFXIV, and that's why it's not as active as it was before. Also yes WoW is old and Runescape is older but firstly Runescape is nothing to compare to FFXI and WoW has no other counterpart because it's already the single most populated MMO game out there. They really don't "need" to create "WoW 2".

I believe one of the issues we have now that needs to be addressed is the rate at which our feedback reaches the developers and the rate at which we receive responses from them. Sure, it is easier for the dev-team to respond to the JP players because of the whole language barrier. And I do not know how well Mr. Matsui and company can write in English but when I see Mr. Naoki Yoshida (Yoshi P) respond to NA players with his limited English skills, it really warms my heart and raises my hopes or morale if you will. He really shows you how interested and caring he is for the FFXIV players world-wide.

I only wish us FFXI players received that kind of treatment.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

I believe one of the issues we have now that needs to be addressed is the rate at which our feedback reaches the developers and the rate at which we receive responses from them. Sure, it is easier for the dev-team to respond to the JP players because of the whole language barrier. And I do not know how well Mr. Matsui and company can write in English but when I see Mr. Naoki Yoshida (Yoshi P) respond to NA players with his limited English skills, it really warms my heart and raises my hopes or morale if you will. He really shows you how interested and caring he is for the FFXIV players world-wide.

I only wish us FFXI players received that kind of treatment.

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What treatment? FFXIV and FFXI have the same damned community reps, and the same damned parent company. You think your feedback reaches the devs faster on the lodestone than it does here? Read the names of the English reps on both forums.

This opportunity is also too delicious for me to pass up: You're saying that the team on FFXIV listens to its players better than the FFXI team. Yet 14 has to reboot their whole freaking game to make it appetizing. Either listening to its players is not all there is to making a game great, or FFXI devs actually listen to their players better than FFXIV devs.

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Originally Posted by Zeroe

Short Answer: Bullcrap

When these forums first started, there was plenty of optimism and great ideas. The devs would respond, but with cryptic generic "look into it text" After awhile, people started to notice that they weren't taking any of our ideas at all. Soon came waves of terrible patches, while the community cried out to stop them, the devs did nothing. We have every right to be annoyed, angry, and frankly a little ticked off because our money is being wasted on crap that shouldn't be adjusted. I tried there way of being "nice and constructive." Know where that got us??? Absolutely nothing.

Were not idiots, we know when were not being listened to. I want whats best for the game, as does everyone. But this isn't the right direction. Everyone knows it, but again, who's listening.

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This is definitly not true. If your Idea and proposals are reasonable and well written out the Dev team will definitly look into it. Of course they cant do everything, and prolly wont depending what shedule they have and how it would impact the game.

I proposed 6 months ago to reduce the wait time on Limbus and Einherjar from 72 hours to 20 hours on the german forums. (Matsui list with proposed exchanges when he took over FFXI)
They are working on an enmity fix as was wished by many people
They are working on a attack/def fix, so defense does matter more, as wished by many people.
upcoming Legion fix with lowering mob lvls or HP, as wished by many people.
NNI adjustments as wished by many people.

Of course they cant do everything and wont. But so far it seems what they can do they would do, so I am very satisfied so far with how Mr. Matsui has been handling things. Thumbs up.

AMEN , what you the poster has said is true, I have not read all the other comments at this time. Ever modern MMO in this day and age is free to play or pay monthly listens to there fans and then some. Over the Years i i have grown up with the developers of other games , that have played this game and many of the new mmos and one thing they they found out is, listen to your fans (anywhere in the world if you are going to be a global company not a japanese company then say it and not allow the game to be global so not p'o your fans, in the rest of the world. ) even if the fans are wrong ,or not there ideas will save you a ton of money, many them work on jobs off hour time that can tell coding and other things that is not in a NA document, yet square got a block ear on there fans.

Why i play this game still is on a console ps2 for a few years then xbox360 , got a good story, feels like a real world, got good people that you can meet with the unknown ones, also i have 8 years on xbox live and not to many games i been on the xbox360 that i have never met a person at one time . that played this game on the ps2 or there cpu fyi

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What treatment? FFXIV and FFXI have the same damned community reps, and the same damned parent company. You think your feedback reaches the devs faster on the lodestone than it does here? Read the names of the English reps on both forums.

This opportunity is also too delicious for me to pass up: You're saying that the team on FFXIV listens to its players better than the FFXI team. Yet 14 has to reboot their whole freaking game to make it appetizing. Either listening to its players is not all there is to making a game great, or FFXI devs actually listen to their players better than FFXIV devs.

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You must be reading both forums upside down or you have been doing a terrible job of keeping up with dev-responses. If you did, you would clearly see what I mean. I understand FFXIV is getting more attention right now due to it's massive relaunch project. FFXIV is doing a better job of listening to their general playerbase for obvious reasons. 14's future depends on it.

Also, anyone who reads both the FFXI and FFXIV forums knows they both have the same community team.

I think the point of events like Legion and NNI was to give more experienced players a challenge, you can still do NNI and get level 80 gear with most setups and that 80 gear is still fairly good. I do have to agree with you on limbus, not adding af +2 was shear laziness on their part.

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I do have to agree with you on limbus, not adding af +2 was shear laziness on their part.

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To be honest I'm not quite sure how they would do that. The AF+1 by itself is already a complete pain the rear to acquire, even compared to relic+1. You need two different drops, nobody is quite sure what drops where, the drops themselves don't give any clues what they're for...

So how do you introduce AF+2 that is both attainable but not necessarily more attainable than AF+1? I think they'd need to adjust AF+1 acquisition itself first, to bring it more in line with new Dynamis drop rates (from even before the reservation system was abandoned).

Absolutely -nothing- is even semi difficult about obtaining af1+1. Use the wiki, look at what drops where. Solo it on (almost) ANY job. obtain it. 2 days.

One day per zone, if it doesn't drop, 4 days pretty much maximum. (except newer jobs, the drop rates on pup blu sch dnc cor are pretty bad truth be told).

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Absolutely -nothing- is even semi difficult about obtaining af1+1. Use the wiki, look at what drops where. Solo it on (almost) ANY job. obtain it. 2 days.

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Relics: all relic -1 hats drop in Dynamis - Valkurm. All jobs, all hats, all Nightmare beasts. Period.

Artifacts: all jobs need one EX item each from Temenos and Apollyon, but which sections of Temenos and Apollyon? What floors of which sections? What monsters, if any?

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One day per zone

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Then the best-case scenario is that it takes twice as long as getting the single EX item necessary for upgrading a relic piece.

EDIT: Hell, including the NQ piece itself, farming for two EX items is enough to get you from no relic piece at all to relic+1. And the drop rate on NQ pieces has been dialed up.