My point exactly. How getting EXP the "right way" versus leeching is somehow a prerequisite for being good at this game is beyond me. We've had many a crappy end-game player before Abyssea and this will not change just because methods of EXP gain do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
New Jobs - Will you aby burn or no?
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06-29-2012, 03:20 PMLlana_Virren
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06-29-2012, 10:55 PMKitkat
Well, if it is anything like nin, or blu for that fact, in the sense of Rune use it'll possibly have a skill related to it that might require skilling up to reach max potential. Then the only difference is that at 99 you'll see these people going to various places to skill up while the non-burned one skills as they learn/level the job. ~shrugs~
All in all burning up in abyssea isn't any different than when people smn burned pre-abyssea. Either way you have the same thing happening so anyone who says Abyssea ruined lvling up is high on crack. Jobs got burned/leeched long before Abyssea was a twinkle in the developers eyes. -
06-30-2012, 12:44 AMZerichyou know that it's possible to skill up by being burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitkat
in fact, there are usually ppl who spam spells and skill up while burning.
don't baaaw about lack of foresight on your part. -
06-30-2012, 01:28 AMSleepStudyCampaign!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkBass
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06-30-2012, 01:43 AMSleepStudy
Applying some sort of moral value to how one chooses to level is just stupid....exp is exp...its a personal preference. I would like to play the jobs a little bit just to kinda learn as i level up, but if someone wants to plant their butts in aby and get to 99 in a few hours...more power to them. I agree that learning the game mechanics of a job can be done as you level, or you can just start learning at 99. Either works.
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06-30-2012, 01:46 AMMerton9999
I'll do whatever seems fun at the time. Current popular low leveling methods don't interest me, for GEO at least. I can't imagine soloing a party-buff job. As for GoV, I've only done the common ones twice because it was too boring to repeat. There's nothing less interesting than playing with the same low level abilities capped for 69 levels, and never getting to use anything I learn along the way. Both times I wished I had just paid to leech. Old school 6-man parties got mundane and boring for me in 2005, so that's entirely out of the running.
Who knows what will be added with the expansion though. For example if they were to allow skill ups in Campaign with the expansion release that might be a good place to spam on GEO. Or if a new leveling method is discovered and sounds interesting I'll try that. It's still a long time away.
Ultimately my current goal is to just participate in the current end game events I already enjoy with the flavor of a new job. If there's no new exciting ways to gain low level exp I see no reason not to get to 99 as quickly as possible.
As far as learning the job, the claims that leeching prevents this are absurd. Anyone with experience on other jobs can learn a new one at 99 just fine. I've done it and seen it with others dozens of times.
I am concerned about the empyrean armor upgrades, at least if the method is the same. It could be different considering AF acquisition was changed from coffer hunting for jobs >= TAU. If it's Abyssea seals, since SE is going to have to break the current 4-job-per-mob rule anyway, I just suggest that they make more mobs per zone drop seals for GEO and RNF. -
06-30-2012, 04:37 AMKitheren
By level 30 I'd think I would have a general understanding on how the job is played and can decide from there if I want to keep playing it past there or never touch it again.
That being said, I'll answer the question. Geomancer, I would burn. My reason is that my magic skills are decently high (working on elemental and dark a bit more) so I wouldn't need to skill up forever. Rune Fencer, probably not. I don't have any DD jobs leveled (or geared) anyway so I don't know how to play them that well. I can play my husband's Dark Knight but he has it set up in a way that I can. My DRK would likely differ from his greatly so even though I have the experience, I wouldn't burn my own up. So I'd probably GoV it up.
That's my general view towards the "to burn or not to burn" argument. If I have the skills up and the general know-how (I'm a long time WHM ONLY player but RDM wasn't that hard to figure out, nor SCH) I'll burn it.
Buuuuut what it comes down to is.. learn your job. Burn it or grind it, I don't care how you level it. Just take the time to skill it up and learn it properly. Anyone can learn WHM. But it takes practice to learn how to react to a situation and handle it in a way that is being a great WHM. -
06-30-2012, 04:59 AMKitkatNice to see you made that a personally directed comment when all I did was point out that just because you can burn a job, doesn't mean you will be capped by the time it is 99 (if lucky you'll have skill up to mid lvl 40's or 50's range depending on skill you're working on). Additionally, the point of the post was to show that burning is nothing new. The difference being you are uncapped to do it. Next time take a few moments to understand the point and direction of the post rather than assuming what you think it means, ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
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06-30-2012, 05:16 AMReiterpallaschBack in the ToAU days, we used to all ding 65 and then get stuck there since there was nowhere to get good exp anymore!Quote:
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06-30-2012, 06:40 AMLastrangerQuote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
well as for levling if u do GOV party/alliance there are tons of camps at 60-80++ u even have sevral FOV camps those levels including The desert area on other side of kuftal tunnel.
Here is a few tips. CN has more pages then page 1, pg 4 is nice once u are 57+ though closest camp for it is 1 alliance only like the bee/crawler camp in start area ,and guess what , with page repeat u dont need to be close to book unless u need constant refresh/haste of book.
Also there some higher ones down to the side ( not the high level mobs area, but towards map with demon tiphia )and theres a book near exit on that side too.
Kuftal has more then just crab pages although those are nice, try difrent camps down there as some are 75+
Boyhoda tree has GOV and a healthy amount of mobs ranging from level mid 50s and up to at least 75+ without taking on the new superhigh mobs there also nice thing about gov is higher pages give more exp some will give u around 4k+ exp a page completed.
If u dont wanna leave to far away from home and ur home nation is sandy, then go to bost.. obliut ( never could spell that right ) down from basement in castle, in groups of 6+ u can probably start early 50s on bats pg 1, once u leveld up a bit u can go for leaches in lower levels kill 9 for 1 pg and there is a ton there, just watch out for the leech nm that has same name down there, well if u got alliance u can probably kill it.
I recently did this leech camp solo GOV on my galka char levling/skilling sam/dnc doing both polearm and GK at low 60s solo the links can get u killed but i learned theres a trick u can use to loose hate runing back to book hugging the wall as u go there, it may take sevral attempts back in and out but it eventually force the leeches to loose hate and go yellow, saved my butt a lot lower levels there.
at 65+ leeches page done with alliance should have high turnover of exp as they also repop fairly fast and there is like a ton of them.
i capped out skills up to level 70 cap there
Gustav tunnels also has some nice GOV on second map, u can kill gobbies+skelles down there and theres 2 camps, although one has taxim pop there, the skelle are level 77.
the area that leads to sky near tree also has fairly high level FOV pages, kill arcana of kind there although pages from FOV is less exp then GOV, but still its a camp, and Sky is also a 70+ camp on FOV u can do if u have 4-6+ people, seem to recall the mobs in start area are level 77ish.
There is also FOV page camps from 60+ up at uleguerand range.
As for other spots there is GOV pages in GC if u go past door 3 for skelle, also i think the pg 2 in cn doing bats and skelle is same exp as the one in CN pg1 so its a nice backup area if CN is full come release.
Also there tons of GOV pages in Toraimarai channel 60+ if u get access, theres GOV pages 60+ in various areas in quicksand caves and if u done quest for it u dont need weight to open all the doors.
i cant remember if newton movopolis got GOV pages but mobs down there are level 70ish so even old school exp possible down there
Eldiem got sevral hig level skelles, just do camp area checks first as some areas now have level 90+ mobs, and on that note i belive GOV pages in Zherun mines right in basty is level 75+content with new adds there, and once u capped near 80 u can go to korrolokka and take on the highest page there for level 80+
So saying there is no camps 65+ is just lazy, ive done solo FOV/GOV on one char to 87+ , also done duo box FOV to level 75 before cap raise happened and it was fairly fast, its all about finding right camp for the job u have and come expansion u wont be alone so getting 99 even without doing abby while still hauling exp fairly fast should not be a problem.
One thing i can recomend is being open to odd sub job choices if u duo box, like i did bst/dnc + brd/bst and the brd did okay charming all the way up to 62+ even though the sub job was at level 50 at the time, any mischarm on brd and i had bst take it off after 2 fails with a auto macro for closest enemy, and i did my exp in desert on the beetle/cactur page from 50 ish, the added pets helped negate 1000 needles until i moved to lantista and other antica.
So getting 99 come expansion on new jobs should be easy wether u do abyy lech after 30 or GOv/fov Alliance, my personal opinion on it is do what u want, i did some smn burn on some jobs pre level cap/abby and other jobs i levled coz i liked levling em.
Personally id probably fov/gov level the new jobs
On other note of thread convo im super pissed at the lack of updates/ stealing of ideas to make new job instead of considering a makeover of rdm so far, the new jobs seem to have a bit of suggested stuff from rdm threads, however im splitt cuz i also like getting new jobs , just wish SE would realize that after smn/sch etc was added they should have made some changes to rdm when these jobs got spells/aoe effects that rdm dont get cuz it dosnt fit SE Vision of rdm, witch sadens me cuz its like it was okay to change vision on so many jobs like nin not being just dd but also tank because players used it that way or sam not being used as tank but as dd cuz players did that.
If posible i wouldnt mind getting even more jobs, im sure theres room for mime/Ronin/time mage/necromance/battle alchemist/Cannoneer/Berserker/Eastern priest/Battle Engineer etc theres been loads of sugestions on forum and im sure iforgott to mention 3/4 of em, thing is im sure there is room for it just as long as SE also remember to update past jobs to propperly Balancing to new content.