Casting Sneak / Invisible Outside of Party?

It's pretty much so you can't 100% bypass everything without at least a little risk.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Castle Zvahl Keep.

Parts of the game were designed around that particular mechanic, putting doors in places to make you vulnerable to aggro.

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You mean the old school Zvahl Keep? The one where the beastmen no longer aggro ever since level 75? Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that this becomes an issue in more areas than just the one you gave as an example. But for one thing, the game has slowly been getting easier in many many ways. For another, if it's so crippling to balance that you cannot interact with ???s while impossible to aggro, why does sneak not interfere with your ability to interact with them? If it's your goal to force people to fight things around the ??? they want to check, why not simply make those enemies true sight/sound?

My suspicion is that they made it impossible to interact with ???s while invisible because it would make your character transparant in any CS the ??? may give you.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

My suspicion is that they made it impossible to interact with ???s while invisible because it would make your character transparant in any CS the ??? may give you.

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More than likely it is indeed something like a "PS2-limitation" than anything.

You are allowed to use stuff while under the effect of Sneak, or should I say, while snucked, but it's a no-no for Invisible?

Makes no sense.

Just like it makes no sense that you are allowed to re-cast invisibility without cancelling it or waiting it to wear off, even in front of a monster, but for sneaking it's a no-go? OK, it does make sound... but come on... you can make lots more sound otherwise and not be detected. ^^;
So all in all, it is not balanced, yeah, I said it! It's not balanced between the beastman who can hear you, and the beastman who can see you. Equality, dang it!

As mentioned, if they don't want you to get somewhere without the possibility of aggravating some monsters, they can cheat, and give them "true-sight/hearing".

On another note, using items cancels invisibility as well, but not sneaky sneak.

Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

why does sneak not interfere with your ability to interact with them?

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Because that would affect the Mute/Afflictor gameplay in Beadeaux.

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If it's your goal to force people to fight things around the ??? they want to check, why not simply make those enemies true sight/sound?

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Because first you'd need to catalog and change each and every one where that particular mechanic was relied upon (or maybe even just accidentally affects) and change them all, consuming a whole mess of man-hours in the process. This is much more complicated than just flipping a bit on a single spell.

In the past, it was apparently easier to just make new content affected by these new ideas rather than try to change the older content. For example, ToAU introduced puddings rather than making the bombs in Ifrit's Cauldron aggro /ja's.

Think of the ten-year-old code like a game of Jenga...

They could just make invis wear when you open a door, chest, click a ??? for a cutscene, trade items to pop an NM, etc., much in the same way sneak wears when you open a coffer/chest. Guess that logic was too simple for them.....

/BLOCKAID, harrassment problem solved

No more excuses; get back to work!

The unspoken reason why they're not going to do it: botting.

Imagine a "PC" standing around that automatically casts invisible on any player that /pokes them.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

You mean the old school Zvahl Keep? The one where the beastmen no longer aggro ever since level 75?

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Have you ever even set foot in Castle Zvahl (S) >_>?

no no, don't you get it? the real reason they aren't going to do it is because Carbuncle wont allow it :P

Damn that luminescent rat!