Where is my elemental affinity pieces?

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

Double Fire Magians, right?

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Without Almace that would be his best setup.

Just got done a small parse down in Boyada Tree fight the VT Puks and IT Crawlers at the bottom. From what I can tell, @550 attack (no food) their low evasion (neutral defense), but at 568 attack their low evasion low defense. I used a Yellow Curry Bun to get 633 attack. As crawlers are PLD mobs, these represent a good target to test melee builds against.

Overall 168779 damage
Melee was 90479, 53.6%
742/66 hit/miss with a 91.83% accuracy rate. Average 105, but that doesn't matter much due to the ODD from Almace (17 low -> cocoon before I could dispel it, 276 high -> ODD)

Crit rate was 18.73%

18097 Damage from enspells, 29.47 average on 614 strikes (I think Kparse missed some of them as I didn't swing without enspell up).

57895 Damage from WS's
35 CDC's with 718 Low (missed first hit most likely) and 2415 high (DA + crits)
Average was 1654.14

2308 Damage from spells, mostly from 2 Blizzard IV's I did for 1039 average. I only did Blizzard IV when I was flashed.

Offense detail for CDC, You can see it's spread. CDC is a WS that needs to crit to get high numbers, double attack's don't hurt either.

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Chant du Cygne
718: 1
1173: 1
1194: 1
1219: 1
1257: 1
1261: 1
1305: 1
1323: 1
1374: 1
+ 1429: 2
1518: 1
1545: 1
1554: 1
1597: 1
1630: 1
1640: 1
^ 1644: 1
1689: 1
1736: 1
1745: 1
1756: 1
1762: 1
1780: 1
1781: 1
1850: 1
1867: 1
1881: 1
1930: 1
1975: 1
2082: 1
2122: 1
2356: 1
2358: 1
2415: 1

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Indeed, that adds a rather sizeable bonus to my attack indeed. If i ate some attack food like pizza id be around 700 or greater, i really wonder when i had that 700ish attack.

633 Attack is pretty low. What are we trying to demonstrate here? The crawlers have at least 440-450 defense based on your assessment, which means that you're not capping ratio until 900~ attack.

Critical hits become more important the lower your Ratio is, so that's a fair assessment when you're looking at 1.33~ ratio before level correction and probably closer to 0.93~ after it (IT at 99 implies a level 107~ monster). Kinda a no-brainer that CdC is going to suck on non-crits when you're below 1.0 cRatio =/

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Could have sworn atmas affected enspell damage, whenever I solo VNMs with MM/Beyond/Ultimate, my enblizzard 1's do like 35-40ish.

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Atmas affect enspell damage, yes. Used it a lot when AoEing for KI farm runs for emp weapons. (Twilight Knife Aeolian Edge with Atma of Gales, Enaero is also boosted.)

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Originally Posted by Crimson_Slasher

Indeed, that adds a rather sizeable bonus to my attack indeed. If i ate some attack food like pizza id be around 700 or greater, i really wonder when i had that 700ish attack.

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Most likely inside Abyssea or when if you ate Bison Steak or other big attack food. Pizza isn't really attack food, its a compromise between sushi and the heavy meats. You should really be looking into Bison Steak or Yellow Curry Buns, Steak for when you know your not gonna die much and Curry buns for short events / good chance of death. For extremely high chance of death I'd stick to mithkabobs.

RDM has always been weak in the attack field, back at 75. Enspells help out as their a direct +boost to damage.

742 hits for 90479 regular melee damage.

614 enspell hits for 18097, 128 not recorded, I'd bet that they happened during gear swap times. If we adjust the damage to account for the non-recorded hits (128 * 29.47) we get, 742 hits for 21866 damage.

90479 + 21866 = 112,345 total melee damage. Enspells were giving a 24.1% boost to melee damage and ended up being 19.46% of total melee damage. (21866/90479 = 24.1. 21866/112345 = 19.46). No matter how you cut it, that is a significant boost, on the same level as Berserk. Enspells also shine more when the monster's have higher defense and -PDT. Cast in point was in Dyna vs statues, I hit for 20~40 damage but enspell's hit for 30.

Now 57895 was from Ws, so when we all it all together we get 170240 total damage.
90479/170240 = 53.1% from pure melee damage
21866/170240 = 12.8% from enspell melee damage
112345/170240 = 65.99% damage from melee damage (enspells are a component of melee damage)
57895/170240 = 34% damage from WS. WS was CDC vs high defense targets

The point of all this is to demonstrate where your damage is coming from and what you need to focus on. Those monsters had in the ballpark of 450~500 defense which is what we can expect to see from level 107 monsters now. I was surprised to see CDC hit as high as it did (no Bravers + Stalwarts), after seeing then /check neutral defense at 550 attack I was expecting a lot lower CDC's on average, looks like Temper + Crit's are sufficient to retain a 1500+ average. I'm not sure how good DB would perform, might be a good time to invest 5/5 in Req if your not planning on getting Almace. Req should still beat DB providing you can get enough MND in gear slots, and seeing as RDM has a metric fck ton of MND available, it shouldn't be hard.

Ive actually got all the items needed for a badalire+2, but have been too busy skilling, and doing other things to actually bother to make one, and Req. Left me feeling quite underwhelmed... As it stands in abyssea i hit upwards of 3k average on DB, outside i havent tried in a while, again, i been doing other things, i actually went out of my way to gear up for that screenshot.

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No matter how you cut it, that is a significant boost, on the same level as Berserk.

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Except Berserk counts on WS's. Berserk stacks with other ATK+ or DEF- buffs/debuffs. Its nothing like berserk at all. Enspells is like adding on average 20% ATK to your TP melee hits only which represents about 60% of a RDM's DMG. Enspells really only give you about 12%-15%.

Where as Berserk gives you a straight up 17% (factoring in the recast/usage difference.) It applies on WS's and therefor is attributed on 100% of melee damage dealt, not a fraction of a fraction.

Apart from having CDC do you really know anything about melee? Attack being akin to haste, and now Enspells being berserk....or do you just think you are cool because you have CDC and can hit 4K in abyssea. My Extenerators average 1.5K outside of abyssea on RDM, with a 40D dagger. Either your CDC build is shit, or CDC isn't worth getting at all.

(then again you prolly go full dex like a gimp twat don't you.? also why waste time meleeing statues as RDM nuke them in 1-2 shots, and move on.)

back to the topic at hand, any buff applied via enspell should be available to the backline as well. Limiting the job to a specific role is bad news.

Nope 1.5k ish average sounds about right assuming /nin and low cratio. I can't see exenterator averaging that much against the same target on Rdm.

12%-15% and 17% overall damage increase sound pretty much on the same level to me. That IS what you did say correct mageholic?

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Originally Posted by Mageoholic

Except Berserk counts on WS's. Berserk stacks with other ATK+ or DEF- buffs/debuffs. Its nothing like berserk at all. Enspells is like adding on average 20% ATK to your TP melee hits only which represents about 60% of a RDM's DMG. Enspells really only give you about 12%-15%.

Where as Berserk gives you a straight up 17% (factoring in the recast/usage difference.) It applies on WS's and therefor is attributed on 100% of melee damage dealt, not a fraction of a fraction.

Apart from having CDC do you really know anything about melee? Attack being akin to haste, and now Enspells being berserk....or do you just think you are cool because you have CDC and can hit 4K in abyssea. My Extenerators average 1.5K outside of abyssea on RDM, with a 40D dagger. Either your CDC build is shit, or CDC isn't worth getting at all.

(then again you prolly go full dex like a gimp twat don't you.? also why waste time meleeing statues as RDM nuke them in 1-2 shots, and move on.)

back to the topic at hand, any buff applied via enspell should be available to the backline as well. Limiting the job to a specific role is bad news.

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Don't encourage him by comparing static damage/hit increases to Attack. You can't do that

Also, +17% Attack is not a +17% to damage dealt.

I'm seeing just a lot of really bad math in this thread and I don't know where to start. It would help to know what's trying to be presented in the first place. All I'm seeing are huge walls of parse data from a <1.0 cRatio scenario and I have no idea what sort of conclusion is trying to be reached from it.