[Soap Box] {Lock On} & general charity shouts

Wow i didnt know there were so many players that havent seen people do this. Next thing you be telling me is you havent seen them climb up walls or through walls >.>

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Originally Posted by katz

Wow i didnt know there were so many players that havent seen people do this. Next thing you be telling me is you havent seen them climb up walls or through walls >.>

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Again - Have you ever even used Windower before? Do you have even the foggiest idea what in the hell you're actually talking about?

You can't target monsters at their spawn location before they spawn. Period. Even the most advanced Windower plugins only allow you to view corpses, and even that is pretty useless.

As for monsters loading faster on PC, that's a load of crock. The difference is so negligible that any normal human being wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Walking up or through walls? Another windower feature that you have just made up. That is not part of windower. That is/was part of bot packages like FFXIApp or that Wizbot one.

I suggest in the future you research the product you are arguing against before posting. Maybe it'll help you not look like a 'tard.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

SE has said there is nothing with it before and will not ban you for it. So, if its OK by them, its ok to do.

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Assuming you're talking about R/Ex, that's not true. While you won't get banned for it, SE did go out of their way to change certain timed NM drops from Rare to R/Ex because of RMT. RMT then decided to sell the R/Ex item to those camping the R/Ex versions. This way they also tried to(and succeeded) drive up the prices of the non-Ex versions that they had stock piled. It wasn't until enough BCNMers spammed said BCNMs that the market normalized.

The boon which the players thought SE made was short lived. Sure it maybe not be something said verbally but if you can't see the connection then I don't know how to discuss with you. If SE were to make a statement on such a lowly issue it'd probably something along the lines of it being frowned upon but no prosecuted. For those with a lack of morales and ethics, I'm sure that alone would be enough justification.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Ethics has nothing to do with this. There is nothing inherently right or wrong about selling goods and services to other players.

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Wrong.

There is everything inherently wrong when creating a false market. You're falsifying the market by artificially throttling the supply, a supply that is not suppose to be yours. Also, please stop ignoring the distinction between R and R/Ex gear. Scroll != R/Ex

Edjamacation prz

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

When people win a claim, they win the right to anything the monster drops, whether it's the right to keep the items or sell them is up to them. If they lose that claim, you have the chance to claim that right from them.

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This is really stretching reality to suit your own view point. If what you said is true and SE intended for R/Ex gear to be sold then why make it R/Ex in the first place when it simply could be Rare. Obviously R/Ex was never intended to have an economic value. If we can not agree on that then I have nothing further to discuss with you.

Sell it all you want because you can, it doesn't make it right.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

just outclaim them. You have as good a chance as they do, assuming equal levels of speed, skill, and attention.

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To this day, people still cheat and bot. Ignoring this proves one's hidden agenda. Denying this just proves one's ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Puck

I've seen a ton of people on this forum throw around the term "strawman" but none of them have used it correctly.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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That's for the link, it put a smile on my face. However you couldn't be more wrong, which is as funny as a grammar nazi misspelling words when correcting someone's grammar.

Firstly, in the context I used the word in it'd be very hard to wrongfully use even if I didn't know the meaning. Secondly, I know exactly what it means. Heck, even if I didn't I could just google it, I mean srsy? So... 2/10... since you got a reply out of me. ;)

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Originally Posted by Exxodus

Hmm, the OP has brought up a topic that sounds very similar to a /shout arguement that took place in Port Jeuno earlier today, on Sylph. The group leader was shouting to set up a run for Ironclad Severer. The shout stated that the Wieldance Jewel was locked, and that the BLM, PUP, and SMN items, and Ardor Jewel were FL.

Someone started attacking the leader for "locking everything" and forcing people to do work for him for no reward. The attacker was very persistent that in order to make the run fair, that the leader should not be locking "all of the wieldance" jewels.

If this is what the OP is referencing, then I don't see this being a problem.

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I stopped reading here. No, it wasn't in regards to it. In fact I didn't even see that shout fight.

If you understood my post better you'd know that I'm for the idea of mutually beneficial shouts like that.(which is what it seemed like from what you wrote) There's nothing wrong with taking 4 people to kill a mob that drops 4 items(or in your case 5), each person locked onto a specific item.

But thank you for proving my point that this kind of drama is unavoidable on Sylph explaining why I posted in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

As for monsters loading faster on PC, that's a load of crock. The difference is so negligible that any normal human being wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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I'm not picking on you, I swear!

Many people believe otherwise, however they believe in favor of PS2. (lolwut, yeah man srsly) There's logic in this as the game was designed on the PS2 and ported over to PC/Xbox. I'm not sure where the xbox fairs but I tell you this much, not everyone loads equally.

My wife's character will ALWAYS see things before me despite the fact that my character existed about a year before her's and that I have at least the same, if not better, connection via our router and have always had the better PC since I use it more. The only thing i can think of is my name being further in the alphabet than hers but I'd seriously hope SE isn't that bad to have done that.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Walking up or through walls? Another windower feature that you have just made up. That is not part of windower. That is/was part of bot packages like FFXIApp or that Wizbot one.

I suggest in the future you research the product you are arguing against before posting. Maybe it'll help you not look like a 'tard.

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Before you go slandering anyone about tard you should check the facts out, I wasnt the only person in the group who saw the said individual climbing up the wall to get to an nm pop that you normally have to conflux to. Just because you are naive enough to think people dont cheat in the game doesnt mean it doesnt go on. Its sad that I hear people say "Im using the "special" JP pop system to out pop everyone" and you see the said person out pop the groups time after time. You think they just get lucky then you are extremely naive.
And yes, its probably not basic windower but when people say I got to load windower to do it then windower is to blame as much as any of the bot programs. PS and Xbox dont get windower, therefore this is also as far as Im concerned another advantage over other players.

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Originally Posted by Toggles

That's for the link, it put a smile on my face. However you couldn't be more wrong, which is as funny as a grammar nazi misspelling words when correcting someone's grammar.

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You implored people not to "strawman;" explain what you think that means. Because you're using a buzzword people like to throw around on here a lot, and none of you really know what it means or how to use it.

Whoa... everyone needs to get off their high horses and chill...

First of all, Windower is proven to be a harmless tool, whether or not you are on PC, people who use it don't affect anyone else around them. The ability to actually hack or alter the gameplay mechanics are separate programs which people actually pay for and are definitely illegal. No one is denying that people use them, but that's beside the fact that it's completely off topic.

Second: I don't know about your server, but on Rag (and Caitsith) I never saw or knew anyone to camp timed NMs solely to exploit and profit from rare/ex drops. Typically when people sell such items, they already have buyers lined up, therefore those who are selling the items are actually accepting money for their time and effort in assisting players who would not be able to acquire such gear on their own. Doing this is 100% NOT morally or financially incorrect in any way.

There are those who like to shout in Port all day like in the OP's examples who offer no reward for peoples' assistance, those are the groups you typically want to avoid because the only help they get really know how to derp it up. However, it does provide good entertainment when you're bored.

Also, some fool was trying to sell leech spots in Abys for a mil a head earlier, granted he promised 30-90 in a sitting, I can find my way into those parties for free almost effortlessly. It's so sad. Fortunately money is almost worthless these days so no one is really hurting from any of these 'exploitations.'

Lol at the people who still don't understand what windower is and does in 2011.

Lord, sometimes I wonder how you have the mental capicity to use a computer. Research the topic, because windower does not do what you think it does. It's not some sorcerous heathen tool that lets you manipulate space-time before the unwashed masses.

Lol all you want about windower. It still gives you an advantage over other users who cant use it. Id love to write the macros you guys can but sadly xbox dont allow it. You Can use windower to re write dat files to accept 3rd party software. The fact that you dont know this is surprising how little you exploit your windower. Remind me again if its harmless how come you need to use it over someone who doesnt use it. You might think you arent getting any advantages but then why are you using it. Id ban all windows from the game on the pc if I could. Windower has not been proven to not give you any advantage. The day you put it on xbox and its the same is the day you can prove it.

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Originally Posted by katz

Lol all you want about windower. It still gives you an advantage over other users who cant use it. Id love to write the macros you guys can but sadly xbox dont allow it. You Can use windower to re write dat files to accept 3rd party software. The fact that you dont know this is surprising how little you exploit your windower. Remind me again if its harmless how come you need to use it over someone who doesnt use it. You might think you arent getting any advantages but then why are you using it. Id ban all windows from the game on the pc if I could. Windower has not been proven to not give you any advantage. The day you put it on xbox and its the same is the day you can prove it.

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