If RDM and SCH can't have Cure 5, give us Afflatus Misery/Solace

Is this where we ask for defender to do something more than boost loldefense, or has that boat long since sailed.

I've had some decent WAR tanks before now who can take a beating. I don't see them in Abyssea, but then I don't see PLD ones either - at least not often. I'm just agreeing with the dude that WAR is versatile. WAR might need work on its defense side, but I'm just saying, its capable of taking the defensive position as a tank.

The word 'extreme' might well...be a bit extreme, but I'm using Xelith's words here. A WAR is capable of being a DD and a tank.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

WAR can activate Retaliation and be healed by a White Mage, meaning a WAR is capable of fulfilling dual roles - tank and heavy DD.

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You had a minor typo, but don't worry, I fixed it for you.

I don't think I've ever seen a tank that hasn't needed a healer. A good tank is backed by a good healer, tanks aren't invincible after all. If you can take a beating enough to stay alive and keep hate, then you can tank.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I don't think I've ever seen a tank that hasn't needed a healer. A good tank is backed by a good healer, tanks aren't invincible after all. If you can take a beating enough to stay alive and keep hate, then you can tank.

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Doesn't mean that WAR has defensive capabilities.

Edit: Unless you consider killing things faster than imaginable defensive

At the risk of derailing things further, I'll post once more to try to clarify. I think the point about Warrior currently functioning better as a tank than some melee jobs is relevant, even though you fell into the dark abyss of mentioning Defender and it's ilk.

Being a huge jerk-face, I expressed this in a jerk-faced manner.

Defender was a poor example - I thought using it would illustrate how you have alternative roles like defense vs offense, but obviously failed and made things worse using Xelith's words "Extreme Offense" and "Extreme Defense". My mistake.

But WAR can still DD and tank. In Abyssea it would seem WAR is much better for DD than tanking, so I don't know if WARs want something better than defender and to increase their own defensive capabilities or not (I know some folk who want their PLD to tank more), but it wouldn't mean they'd be stepping on the toes of other tanks, just as WAR's DD isn't stopping other people's jobs from DDing (though it is much better for proccing red, granted, but I'm moving proc jobs aside here).

What WARs want: Well, nothing really. Ukko's Fury is enough to hold me over for a while. Only thing that's even been discussed in terms of "can have" are some silly ideas and Quadruple Attack! More like pipe dreams though.

Edit: Went way off topic.

SCH needs a Helix type cure!
RDM needs an enhancing type cure!

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

What WARs want: Well, nothing really. Ukko's Fury is enough to hold me over for a while. Only thing that's even been discussed in terms of "can have" are some silly ideas and Quadruple Attack! More like pipe dreams though.

Edit: Went way off topic.

SCH needs a Helix type cure!
RDM needs an enhancing type cure!

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True.

Also, does anybody know what Embrava is like? If it's any good, it might be the answer for SCH if it wasn't only available under Tabula Rasa (Tabula Rasa would allow me to spam Rapture and cure like a boss anyway).

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

SCH needs a Helix type cure!

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Two or three of them actually but gdi, that's a fucking awesome idea! Sounds a lot like WoW or other MMO but whatever, it would be a very very original concept in FFXI! A HoT that does an initial heal and then goes on, if you want you can "consume" the remaining HoT with a modusveritas-like JA.

Omg I'm in love with this scenario! But it would probably be a bit too far off from current game mechanics. Too bad! Doubt it's gonna happen in the last 95>99 levels :P but that's a shame, it was an awesome idea.