Bully: it's really bad.

3 minutes with a decent intimidate rate in party isnt too bad for event play(VW/WoE etc). I doubt its allianced based as most things like company sword in the past are rated via party yes? Can probably get an accurate test with 6.


SIDE NOTE: WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE GUESSING HOW THIS WORKS. If you want us to test tell us the parameters dont make us guess. Post it in the info section on test server for things like abilities you want tested and how they currently function on THE TEST SERVER. I shouldn't be trying to figure out if something is enhanced via a certain skill and then if its over/underpowered in that situation- i should just be seeing how it plays out.

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Originally Posted by Zirael

I'm starting to lean to 'work with what you've got'.

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Tough to work with what you got when what you got doesn't work :P

But yeah, there is no reason to believe that this level of failure from the developement team to address the real issues, or give new abilities that are anything but functionally useless gimick garbage is ever going to change.

THF is going to be a D-list DD with a bunch of useless abilities and Treasuer Hunter. To want/hope/wish for this to change is to set yourself up for dissapointment and a little anger (I'm guilty, etc).

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Originally Posted by Phen

3 minutes with a decent intimidate rate in party isnt too bad for event play(VW/WoE etc).

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Perhaps in the context of what it is now, but really....what good is a weak ass 30 second duration paralyze on a 3 minute timer?

Sure, 3 minutes is better than 5...but it's still crap. I don't really care what they do to the recast if they don't up the duration/potency.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

Perhaps in the context of what it is now, but really....what good is a weak ass 30 second duration paralyze on a 3 minute timer?

Sure, 3 minutes is better than 5...but it's still crap. I don't really care what they do to the recast if they don't up the duration/potency.

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Concurred, but we really need some solid numbers for a 6 man group. It is entirely possible its exponential per party member.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

Tough to work with what you got when what you got doesn't work :P

But yeah, there is no reason to believe that this level of failure from the developement team to address the real issues, or give new abilities that are anything but functionally useless gimick garbage is ever going to change.

THF is going to be a D-list DD with a bunch of useless abilities and Treasuer Hunter. To want/hope/wish for this to change is to set yourself up for dissapointment and a little anger (I'm guilty, etc).

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Playing a game with 3/4 of the issues stamped with "PS2 limitations" should've taught us to work around annoyances already, hahaha. After what we've been given about Aura Steal awesomeness, I doubt Bully will be adjusted to anything better than it is now. Sure, it's not Impetus, Scarlet Delirium, Blood Rage or even Temper, but at least our own voke. It has always bugged me that being /nin makes you virtually useless in Dragon's Aery :P Don't get me wrong, I think SE could've done better than a mixture of weak Provoke and 30s Paralyze, but I see what they've tried doing there. I won't say it's a success, but kudos for trying. I'm still waiting for that "shining" thing they've promised to THF tho, definitely not this update...
Hey, look at RDMs, they're scratching their heads looking at Temper and thinking to themselves, what the hell happened to their manifesto and buffing people to godlike levels (I'm RDM second, so, yes...).

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Originally Posted by Phen

Concurred, but we really need some solid numbers for a 6 man group. It is entirely possible its exponential per party member.

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Got to wait ~4h more for translation, but there was something there that bonus is affected by number of people on hate list (not even same party/alliance) and 'but there is a cap to that'. Unless I've misread it completely.

They should make the proc rate 50-75% or something insanely high, keep the 30 second duration and make it 3-5 min CD. This would make it take skill to use properly, you'd have to time it for when you NEEDED the intimidate. Lowering the cooldown more will just make it a dumb boring no skill ability you just hit everytime the cooldown is up :/

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Originally Posted by Zirael

Got to wait ~4h more for translation, but there was something there that bonus is affected by number of people on hate list (not even same party/alliance) and 'but there is a cap to that'. Unless I've misread it completely.

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Hmm, i suppose it could be related to that since its an effect on the mob rather than on the player. Need to see if this counts as a debuff that can be erased by things like exuviation as well.

I'm actually pretty happy with these announcements. I need to do more TH testing (with WS this time!) before they change that. And Bully sounds like it'll be a nice claim tool and even an actually helpful ability for big alliances (zerg situations I suppose, like Feint).

Yeah i'll probably won't use Bully for its paralyze effect as it stands. But a claim tool and a 3min voke for when i lose hate is kinda interesting.