No, a relic costs about 200000 dyna currency, which is worth about 230m. You pay that much to the goblins for a relic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureal
If you don't pay for it in Gil then it's free lol?
Dynamis Adjustments - Some Changes That Need To Be Made IMO
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08-20-2011, 05:17 AMDebbieGibson
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08-20-2011, 06:00 AMSureal
cue the "not sure if troll" pic
let me explain this slowly for you
if you farm, meaning you obtain ALL the currency on your own, and do not purchase any currency, you will only spend 50k for the KI to enter dynamis, you do not SPEND 200m+ gil when you turn in the currency, you dont pay the goblins a single cent outside of getting the KI to get into dynamis
it does not matter what the market value of the currency is if you are upgrading a relic yourself
i dont know how else to explain this -
08-20-2011, 06:05 AMDebbieGibsonOh ok I see so you can pay 50k and go pick up your relic tomorrow is what you're saying? Because that's what free means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureal
free
adverb /frē/
Without cost or payment
So relics have no cost, except for the 50k? You spend absolutely nothing but the 50k, relics are 50k now is what you're saying? -
08-20-2011, 07:01 AMSureal
/sigh
yes, basically, you are not coming out of pocket for anything but the initial KI cost
if you are upgrading a relic, it does not matter what the market value of the currency is, this does not mean you automatically get a relic for simply buying a KI, you have to put in work, BUT NO GIL OUT OF POCKET -
08-20-2011, 08:30 AMDebbieGibsonAnd how much is that work worth? Or does work have no value? Work is free too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureal
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08-20-2011, 08:46 AMSureal
are you serious? am i on candid camera or something
i swear, if ashton kutcher jumps out from behind me somewhere im going to be seriously pissed -
08-20-2011, 08:49 AMDebbieGibson
Last I recall, I think I spent something for work. But I can't remember exactly what it was. Let me think real hard. I spent...... blank....... working towards a relic. I think it starts with a T. I spent T___ working towards a relic... Damn I just have no idea what it was. I guess relics really are free after all!
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08-20-2011, 08:52 AMSureal
im done, i think i just felt my brain explode
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08-20-2011, 10:20 AMRakshaHe's being a dick about it, but he IS right. Just because something doesn't cost gil doesnt mean it is free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureal
Primeval brew doesn't cost gil, is it free too?
Opportunity cost is an important concept to understand when discussing these things. -
08-20-2011, 03:40 PMArconSome brains can't handle the truth. It's ok, yours isn't the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureal
Everything in this game costs money. Time is money. A very old but very true saying. So if something costs time, it effectively costs you money. If you spend six months farming your relic, you get ~200M worth of currency in that time. So instead of buying the relic you could sell that currency for loads of money. It's interchangeable. It's even interchangeable after, although not legal, by selling your account. There is no such thing as "free effort", everything you invest in costs you something. And that something is money. Even if you only invest time in, it's money.
For example, if you can farm gil faster than you can farm currency in the same amount of time, you can just farm the gil for it and then buy it. So are you saying one way is free and the other way costs you 200M, so it's better to go the long way? Do you think you've earned it more if you've farmed currency instead of farming the money for it, because you just bought it?
Relics aren't free, they're very expensive, no matter how you go about it. If you've farmed every coin and then bought it, you have a potential loss of ~200M. Just because you don't see the gil disappear from your screen, doesn't mean you didn't lose it.