Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

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Anything you don't need to even do the event it come from is not hard.

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Buying all your currency from bazaars is impractical and will take longer than either just doing the event or doing both. Buying it all also requires nearly to possibly more than 200 million gil depending on your server, while getting the currency yourself is now extremely cheap in terms of cost. Additionally, you DO have to do the event- You need all the city wins and the beaucadine win to be able to complete all the tasks required in addition to the currency. Before they removed casting warp from the animated weapons, they weren't that easy, and attestations weren't always so easy too (and you'd often have to do the fight multiple times).

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Anything you don't need to even do the event it come from is not hard. You cac and people have bought are thier coins from bazzars go back and merc the other items. Gil has never been nor never will be hard to get, anyone that had problems farm gil in the old days didn't know how or were to lazy to try.

I in the last week I have made over 1.5 mil not even selling gear or weapons from soloing KI box farming. Time to finish does not = challenge. It's wasn't that hard to run a dyna shell, if you didn't pick up jeuno shout people. My personal fav that I seen to many times is the LS holder getting some one else to run event to event operations the shell thinking they were next in line for a relic. With all the shady actions that relics had associated with them why people would still want them is beyond me.

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You are just one of those people who has a bug up their ass about relic weapons cause you heard a story or thought you should have been able to sponsor and weren't able to. Someone wronged you in your mind so you are applying your situation to everything. I have actually done the mythic quest and I own a relic weapon. I'm telling you they are around the same level of difficulty until you do either one of them you should probably stop making assumptions. And just a little math for you.. at 1.5 mil a week it would still take you over 2 years to make the gil required to buy a relic outright. If you wanted to take let's say 6 months to buy a relic you would need to make over 8 mil a week. 8 mil a week has never been a walk in the park minus the inflation period of way back when. Just cause you can buy a relic doesn't mean you aren't working equally hard to make that money somewhere else. In fact.. it's far easier to sponsor your relic and actually do the event than it is make the gil you would need to buy it. If you break it down to time invested you are looking at hours per day vs. a few hours twice a week.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

You are just one of those people who has a bug up their ass about relic weapons cause you heard a story or thought you should have been able to sponsor and weren't able to. Someone wronged you in your mind so you are applying your situation to everything. I have actually done the mythic quest and I own a relic weapon. I'm telling you they are around the same level of difficulty until you do either one of them you should probably stop making assumptions. And just a little math for you.. at 1.5 mil a week it would still take you over 2 years to make the gil required to buy a relic outright. If you wanted to take let's say 6 months to buy a relic you would need to make over 8 mil a week. 8 mil a week has never been a walk in the park minus the inflation period of way back when. Just cause you can buy a relic doesn't mean you aren't working equally hard to make that money somewhere else. In fact.. it's far easier to sponsor your relic and actually do the event than it is make the gil you would need to buy it. If you break it down to time invested you are looking at hours per day vs. a few hours twice a week.

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I have seen it. 1.5 mil in a week not trying to farm. How many times have you seen some disappear after getting a relic hmm. Theres nothing to relics to really feel proud about. People will look down on you for having one being either as a no lifer, gil buyer, shell gave you one, shell user. Now all you need is a war and a whm you could make a mil in a hour.

1.5mil in a week= 100 currency in a week. You'd be better off solo farming Dynamis. You need 17k currency to make a relic weapon, unless I'm remembering wrong.

People can't read can they. 1.5 mil doing something I would be doing anyway.

I can make 3 mil a day fishing with 1 character, how long will it take me to buy a relic?
How about if I fish on my mule+my main+my alt account?

When I say this, I mean fishing up fish, then selling those fish to NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

People can't read can they. 1.5 mil doing something I would be doing anyway.

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I do it too, but you aren't exactly making "Relic-blitzing" quantities of gil there. 1.5mil/day and you'd be approaching what you can solo through Dynamis.

If you want to make the argument that relics are easy to get, you should just say, "Well, I can enter Dynamis for free every day and solo about 100 currency average."

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I do it too, but you aren't exactly making "Relic-blitzing" quantities of gil there. 1.5mil/day and you'd be approaching what you can solo through Dynamis.

If you want to make the argument that relics are easy to get, you should just say, "Well, I can enter Dynamis for free every day and solo about 100 currency average."

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Or you could just talk about how much gil you can make every day fishing..... and hope people can figure out on their own why its such a big deal that you can make 3m/character/day fishing.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I can make 3 mil a day fishing with 1 character, how long will it take me to buy a relic?
How about if I fish on my mule+my main+my alt account?

When I say this, I mean fishing up fish, then selling those fish to NPCs.

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The only way to make 3m+ a day from fishing is if you have a buyer for gugrusaurus/lik, and they are going to get their rod if you're fishing up 3m/day of fish for them. So that gravy train will run dry quick.

Hakuryu sell for 10,490g. At 200 a day thats 2.1M/day per character. And it's impossible to hit fatigue on those without cheating.

There is also no point to fishing on a mule if you're fishing up 3m/day of any type of fish because you will spend all your time on your main, he will never hit fatigue on anything that can make that amount of gil. An alt requires you to actually get ebisu rod again and on top of that pay an extra 12.95/month to SE(and again cheat and who is going to risk getting an ebisu rod banned?). These are large obstacles to this method of making gil you are overlooking. Almost nobody but the crazy are going to do this.

You may as well say "If you farm abyssea 20 hours a day on four characters you can make 10mil a day. How long is it going to take me to make a relic making 10mil a day?" without taking into account that requires you to play 20 hours a day and actually HAVE four characters.

Mythic Polearm is pretty much the best possible one you can obtain. It's just way too damn good and takes a literal dump on Gungnir and the Emperyan Polearm.