Newest interview (abyssea was a mistake?)

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Originally Posted by Xellith

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This is the kinda thing that makes Shinryu dissapoint.

Why can I only like this once?!

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Again, I must apologize for my wall of text. I actually tried to keep it short, but this was the best I could come up with. I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Ah the old ad hominem attacks when you can't defend your points, guaranteed to happen in every forum discussion or your money back.

Did you only read that sentence of the post? Because right after that I went on to defend said points. I keep up an argumentative discussion and attack you personally at the same time. And ad hominem attacks aren't pointless. People point out other people's ad hominem attacks to assume immediate superiority in an argument, which, in itself is actually an ad hominem attack. However, our discussion is largely about a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. Many of the things we claim none of us can actually confirm, like what the development team thinks. Theoretically you could be right. Theoretically they could be a secret subsect of the Illuminati trying to dominate a part of the world (the JMMORPG-playing part). I cannot absolutely deny that. But in matters of opinion, attacking someone's credibility and exposing flaws in their personality is exactly what shows the extent of their judgement. I'm saying you're a conspiracy nut, and I'm telling you why. Because every example you give, you use it to describe malicious intent by the developers. Not once did you assume otherwise, or even see why it's out of their realm of influence. That means you're trying to put them in one box that fits your mentality, which means you're more likely to read the same pattern into different situations. Which means, you're reasoning is flawed. Which means you can't be believed when you say this bullshit. Booyah.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

If quoting the truth makes me paranoid, I embrace it because what I state happens to be the truth.

No, you state your interpretation of the truth. You don't just state what's wrong and that the development team didn't do anything about it (which is often false, as in the matter of Salvage and kings, for example, both of which got adjusted despite what you claim), but you go one step further and declare it to be malicious intent on their part:

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Stop making excuses for what was clearly a conscious decision by the devs to ignore botting and backstabbing.

Yeah, clearly...

Anyway, most of your post I basically already replied to in my previous one (see Salvage, kings, Dynamis), you just seemed to have put your fingers in your ears and started singing. One more thing I'd like to reply to, though, which I didn't address before:

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

With years of watching kings, the devs came to a conscious decision to design Dark Ixion/Sandworm the way they did with tons of knowledge that this was a bad idea all around and still they proceeded. I call that deliberately choosing to create a system that was designed to encouraging botting, drama and grief.

You can feel free to retort though.

Retort: They saw one of the most competitive "events" with a large player involvement with many sought-after items and though since it's so well camped, maybe people wanted more of it? Hint: Many people still do. Current king adjustments have been widely criticized and several threads about adding new world spawns were already created. It is something that many people actually want. Maybe not the casual majority, but that's why none of that was required. Dark Ixion didn't drop anything that couldn't be sold, same as the NMs from the Sandworm's Doomvoid areas.

I'm not saying it helped with the botting aspect, of course it didn't. World spawns will always be susceptible to botting. But people still want to do it, because some people like having to stand ready and wait for up to three hours for a NM to pop. As ridiculous as that may sound to you, who are you to deny them that?

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

And you're good at hurling insults rather than defending your points.

As I mentioned before, I do both. I admit sometimes it's a character flaw of mine. It takes a lot to grind my shit, but some people just bring it out in me. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

You seem to continuously miss my point. SE had numerous opportunities to destroy the festering infection that was 3kings. Not create alternatives or sidegrade/downgrades - completely freakin' eradicate it. Yet what did they do?

First of all, I already mentioned that kings and HNMs in general had flaws. I explicitely excluded it from the things about oldXI I was talking about several times (like, at the very beginning of my previous post). I'm not sure why you're still going on about those. Especially because you're wrong. Because, secondly, why should they eradicate it when clearly many people didn't want that? You want to impose your opinion of gameplay on others so badly that you're looking for a scapegoat when it doesn't happen, or when the development team doesn't share your opinion. I'm not a psychologist, but it seems to influence quite a bit of your personality. You assume your opinion is better than other people's. It's why you extrapolate these ideas from certain aspects of the game and exaggerate them to a point that they have no connections to reality. Like when you said that "Abyssea was universally lauded", which is completely untrue. You see some people agreeing with you, and you make it a factual statement. This would also nicely explain your paranoia.

Let me take an example from today to prove my point:

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Sorry, but if someone says that one of the biggest game developers in the world deliberately and maliciously try to frustrate their paying customerbase, you're just full of it. You're just a conspiracy nut and nothing else.

Really? How about we take an example from today to prove my point.

DRKs have asked for Entropy to be boosted to make Scythe viable again in todays 2011 FFXI landscape. A fair point as Entropy is rather underwhelming and comes too close to Guillotine in damage. The DEV response?

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Originally Posted by Camate

• Scythe Weapon Skill “Entropy”
We will be making adjustments so that the amount of MP recovered will be within a range.
There will be cases where the MP recovered will be higher or possibly lower than now, but we are planning to adjust this so that the average will not change by much.

Oh look, MP adjustments no one asked for rather than addressing the core issues. Don't worry, it'll be tweaked somewhere in 2013.

Perfect example. No one asked for MP adjustments, yet that is what we get. You used this as an example to retort my statement that the developers wouldn't deliberately and maliciously try to frustrate their paying customerbase. How do you know that? How do you know they're not just stupid and don't get it? They saw people bitching about it, so they thought they'll adjust it, and the result was less than spectacular. They could have done this for any reason. They could have done it because they all play Impact casting DRKs. They could have done it, because none of them plays DRK and they assume MP plays a vital role to the job. They could have done this because they realize perfectly well that that's not what people asked for, but simply didn't want to give Scythe a great WS, but instead wanted people to use this situationally, when they're low on MP and actually need it.

I'm not saying either of these reasons makes much sense. But they all make a lot more sense than trying to read malicious intent into their actions. Yet, you choose the one that is most unlikely. How is that? Why would a company do that, deliberately try to alienate their playerbase? Do you think they get a kick out of it? I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

The problem is that this incompetence has been going on for years. How many years do you need before thoughtless incompetence becomes malice even if that isn't the intention?

Never. Period. Malice is defined as intention. If there's no malicious intention, it isn't malice. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

It's pretty clear me that some people within the staff just don't care to deal with outsiders thoughts be that for some cultural or personal reasons or perhaps it's just pesky company policy.

Clear to you, we've established that. It's a psychological trait of conspiracy nuts to read patterns and intentions into every occasions that are unconnected. Completely normal.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

It reflects poorly on the company.

No argument there. It's why SE's most loyal players are their hardest critics.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Make no mistake, I don't think the devs are evil, bad or maligned individuals and given the chance to meet them I'd probably laugh, smile and take pics with the staff but that doesn't change the fact that the "you're gonna eat those peas and freakin' like it" mentality has been destructive to the game.

Then you're a hypocrite. Painting them evil in absolutely every post, saying they don't care about players, they willingly push botting and RMT behaviour, yet you wanna be friends with them? Unless you admit being part of the botting/RMT group, that hardly makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

SE had me sold that they'd changed their ways when Abyssea happened but it seems like celebrations were premature and the game is slowly going back to the old ways. I think most people can agree that the simple DO NOT WANT meme sums it up handily.

And after fifty fucking pages you still don't get it. The problem I have with you is that you (along with Runespider, and a few select "special" others) make it sound like SE read statistics showing that people universally like Abyssea (which is bullshit in itself, Abyssea has been criticized on all fronts, permanently and thoroughly ever since the forums were created) and then decided "No! We can't have happy customers! Let's make everything deliberately bad!"

I'm not trying to make you look stupid (right now). Seriously. This is actually the feeling I get when I'm reading your posts. You sound exactly like a guy standing on a cardboard box at a street corner shouting to the masses about how the government is keeping Roswell a secret, when in reality we've been trading with aliens for fifty years already and they brought us internet porn, and we could have had that thirty years sooner but the government wanted to see us suffer and make money off of us by selling their crappy magazines and VHS tapes. Can you see why it's hard for me to take you seriously?

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Originally Posted by Nynja

I can 3box Dragua easy, I've done it, first time was annoying, second time I got used to it, 3rd and 4th and 5th was "k...this is starting to just waste time now for no apparent reason".

I guess some people just like playing with themselves and this is who SE is catering to. Final Fantasy XI is becoming more of an offline game that we're paying for. @Nynja I'm not saying your wrong playing the way you do, But whatever happened to /shouting or making/joining a linkshell why ya "Need" so many accounts?

Abyssea ruined the game, now they can't release better gear. They have to do shit like VW that drops items that look like upgrades but in reality are downgrades.

Thing I don't get is they complain how easy etc it is but until a year or so ago? they were making it easier with every update, +2 dropping off far more nms, more ??? for emp nms, cheap brews, continuing increased level caps with no changes to aby NMs.

The really sad part about this thread is that in the aby years there would of been an official response when it took off this way and possibly action (maybe even actually changing the drop system in VW and taking players words onboard for future content) under the new management system it will flat out ignored and they will carry on with the same mindset that made 14 a worldwide joke. VW will have some minor changes but they will never add a point system or anything that people really want purely because it's content akin to Kings (content that keeps people doing it for years due to crappy drop systems). I really don't think it will work that way this time though, it's already getting harder to fill alliances to do them.

VW is just like old kings, players begging for changes at every possible chance and Tanaka (at the vanafests) laughing off any and all suggestions and just adding more of em.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

All I got from this page was brutal is too hard for casuals.

like seriously? its not like its hard to farm some ancient coins solo nowadays oO, besides one can find them in every bazaar

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Abyssea ruined the game, now they can't release better gear. They have to do shit like VW that drops items that look like upgrades but in reality are downgrades.

i seriously fail to see how the bodys of VW are downgrades. Achieving 50% cure potency cap on sch is a pritty nice upgrade if you ask me. getting +12 enhancing skill on whm for boost-spells is one too. haveing -8 dmg taken on war body piece replaces every other body piece in your pdt/mdt sets

Pchan logic:

No one is going to ask Sch/Rdm to main heal, so the new cure pot body is useless. PDT body on war is useless since War either shouldn't be tanking so get a real tank, or you should get a daurdabla Brd to EA+Scherzo if you're so scared of dying.

lolabyssea lolbg etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Damane

like seriously? its not like its hard to farm some ancient coins solo nowadays oO, besides one can find them in every bazaar

That was in response to Mishaa's posts, and it went on for abit from there.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Abyssea ruined the game, now they can't release better gear. They have to do shit like VW that drops items that look like upgrades but in reality are downgrades.

Anyone with this mentality needs to find the nearest beach/golf course/playground and pound the sand there.

On what logic can you possibly base this argument beyond sheer sour grapes? What, in your minds, is so criminally wrong about someone being able to acquire +2 Empyrean armor without having to sell their firstborn? There's nothing stopping S-E from making better armor. The only thing now is whether the effort:reward ratio matches up to that of Abyssea and Voidwatch falls woefully short of that standard.

There are multiple reasons Abyssea became so popular, and the relative ease of acquiring Empyrean armor, as well as the overall stats of the full sets, is among these reasons. I sincerely believe that your beef, as well as other so-called elites', with this is that your over-inflated status as players was greatly diminished and your superiority complex took a major hit.

If you people like Abyssea so much, then stay there. No one is forcing you to move to other content. Are you aware of what the term 'optional' means?