This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Then again I see Matsui comes to XI, wants to do so many things but he can't. He has too many obstacles, limits that won't let him do what he wants without screwing up the gameplay.

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He wastes opportunities even when he breaks these limits though, he broke some of those limits, like for instance, he broke the limits of how many stats could be on a piece of gear, that's how they added all of those stats to Adoulin gear. The problem is, it was a wasted opportunity, he could have fixed so many inventory issues with this. He could have made pieces of gear with all of the stats we use on the same piece. Like for instance, he could have made a Hat with Fast Cast+10%, MAB+10, STR/DEX/VIT/AGI+10 INT/MND/CHR+15 CurePot+10% Haste+8% & Magic Accuracy +15. That would be a Hat which would fill over half my needs for RDM on a head piece... Instead, he implemented an item level system so he had to add a bunch of other stats like MEVA, EVA, and so on to it so it fit the level attached to the level, and at the same time outdated all other gear in the game basically without fixing the inventory issue, and instead, making it worse.

Of that 700, an immeasurable number are afk. Literally immeasurable because there's no way to know.

It's pretty depressing.

Daemon I respect your bumps though I often disagree with you. I honestly feel like your opinion cannot be swayed.

My opinion on this can't be swayed by other players either. There's one group who can sway it, but they're not responding. The dev team should start talking to us.

Man, we're 45 pages into this and we still don't even have a nod.

If that's not a clue, I don't know how to be more clear.

My reply in his thank you thread, and all my replies following, were respectful but candid and that's over a week old. Clearly, they don't really listen. They just don't man.

If they really wanted to show us they listen, they would have picked a few threads in that letter and replied, not to some japanese translation bearing similarity to something we've said, but to something we've actually said. That thank you thread was the last thread that deserved a spotlight, given everything going on.

I'm idle in game while I'm playing XIV.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Ok I don't disagree with you. I'm sure he is making a lot of money. But then again I've been to Japan. It's godly expensive to live there.

I just don't agree that when DEVs are showing their work through updates and have responded to posts like Matsui saying they do read and listen to the NA community.

He gave a response why are people complaining?

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It was a canned response.

Saying you care what someone thinks is cool, but if you continue to do all the things that piss them off day in and day out, all it really says is that you want other people to think you care what that person thinks, when you actually don't.

Ok but do you guys honestly think making dratstic changes would keep people here regardless that FFXIV was released? To me it would be a waste of time to build a town if you know the hurricane is coming.

Hurricane has arrived. Damage has been done. Only makes sense to wait it out and see the results before making anymore major changes. I mean I already see so many posts describing the aftermath of FFXI since 14 launched.

To me I think after the first month, several players will come to the conclusion of either staying or coming back to FFXI. Then again some people might think its not for them.

Others might come back because they already dedicated many years and like this game better.

You should already know by now that if the DEVs did not give you what you are complaining about in the amount of time you are presenting your ideas and feedback, then maybe there are reasons that they don't tell you as to why they don't address them.

I just think its pretty crappy trying to be God without having the power to allow them to play the part.

PS2 sux! It's 11 year old technology with the ram less than 3-5 times lower than today's smart phones.


You can't install software or games without having the basic requirements first. Otherwise the game just won't work.

On the flip side...

DEVs cannot adjust and implement things that go past PS2 limits. I see some complaints asking DEVs to do this, do that as if they have unlimited abilities and no obstacles.

I've worked with bosses that require me to go through manager 1, then manager 2, then head manager 3 only to wait for the response to return to me after going through all 3.

People will jump on the next big thing regardless. No matter how much you complain and Shiz talk to death over how you think they should do their job better and how you would do the job better than them.

I've learned in life sometimes its easy to think this way but once you are the one doing the work, you realize its not as easy as people think it is.

So many people in congress sit and make multi million dollar salaries to say no when people ask for things like gay marriage and equality.

While they play God and vote to say YES and NO. They make these decisions for the overall community and not just for that one specific group that think its unfair.

While its easy to say yeah make Drugs legal, then maybe dealers won't smuggle it! No more arresting people!

It all sounds great yeah! But sometimes decisions have its reasons.

And that's how I see so many complaints on these forums. You demand things you think its unfair. But not considering looking at the glass from all angles but rather look at it from the side your staring at.

I wonder how much attention have the DEVs given all other communities they think its unfair that Matsui doesn't respond to them. He gave a response to one post titles Mr. Matsui and you all jump on it as if he was addressing everyone's concerns in the same topic.

When in reality he was letting everyone know how grateful he is that the OP thanked him for the work hes done and that yes the Community reps do read discussions and give him feedback on what we bring up.

Just you guys can't seem to grasp the fact that he was responding to the concern that people think he is ignoring the NA community.

Twice he has already explained that he does pay attention, he admitted he will try harder. But you are dealing with 1 person trying to make everyone around the world from all countries and communities happy.

I certainly wouldn't want to respond to anyone trashing me.

Give the guy a break gee.

DEV team has to analyze the amount of people vs the change they are going to make in order to come to conclusions how the results will happen.

If there was 3,000 people on the server before the release of 14, and now only 500. That's a change DEVs would be wasting time adjusting before 14 release.

That's my point. Watching and analyzing the community, interest, etc.

It's like how American Idol had a hard time judging comedians because without a crowd their comedy sucked. No crowd, no reaction.

They admitted that its hard to judge a person to see if they are funny when there is only 4 people in the room vs thousands.

DEVs and game companies don't just look at obstacles that happen at the moment. But also have to look at the obstacles over a period of time.

And how certain things like FFXIV will effect FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Ok but do you guys honestly think making dratstic changes would keep people here regardless that FFXIV was released? To me it would be a waste of time to build a town if you know the hurricane is coming.

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No, I do not, and this is the biggest reason why everything done in SoA has been a complete mistake. He made drastic changes which only made people leave, not stay. The hurricane only did more damage because he did those changes, had he kept things how they were and only improved upon them rather than doing it as he did, the game would be in better shape. I agree its stupid to build a town when a hurricane is coming that will possibly destroy it, but its equally as stupid to light it on fire and start burning it down before the hurricane arrives in the first place, which is akin to what he did.

That being said...

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Hurricane has arrived. Damage has been done. Only makes sense to wait it out and see the results before making anymore major changes. I mean I already see so many posts describing the aftermath of FFXI since 14 launched.

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Since major changes were made already, there is no point in changing them back now I guess, but rather, they need to make it better. We see a slope going very badly, new skirmish gear is easier to get than Delve ever was, or will be, I can literally triple box Skirmish Yorcia if I want because a BLM, SCH, or RDM, with a decent nuking staff, can 1 shot every single mob. Delve you at least had challenging NMs, and the NQ mobs inside were 5~10 times harder than the Yorcia mobs, no joke, I nuke them for about 10~20% with a T4, while I 1shot every single Yorcia mob with a T4, the only difference in Yorcia's favor is the resist rates in Yorcia are a little more harsh, that's it. The gear from Yorcia is in many ways just as good or better than the gear from Delve, so much so I think most Delve gear, even at 15, is out of date. Especially when you get into the augments, where every DD piece can get +2 Double Attack, putting its overall stats above Delve easily for TPing & sometimes WSing, or nuking pieces with +20~30 MAB on them, making even T2s capable of 1shotting Yorcia mobs.

If they clean up this mess and create a more sensical path with the levels on gear actually following the power of the gear, it would do a lot of good. Changing it back wont do much, those who hated it already left for the most part. They need to clean it up a bit, make it better, and then make some things like WKs suck less. If they can do that, they can keep what players they have left potentially.

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To me I think after the first month, several players will come to the conclusion of either staying or coming back to FFXI. Then again some people might think its not for them.

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By that same token, think of the people who will see what FFXI is like for a month without some of their friends around, who might leave for FFXIV, or leave SE MMOs completely. I know I did not lose a ton of friends to it, you are one, but not one of many. However I know that is not the same for all.

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You should already know by now that if the DEVs did not give you what you are complaining about in the amount of time you are presenting your ideas and feedback, then maybe there are reasons that they don't tell you as to why they don't address them.

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In some cases, I understand this, in others, I do not. In the case of WKs, its angering many players, causing some to lose hope, others may even quit, even I am on the edge of quitting because I am tired of the BS in this game from things like WKs and SE's refusal to fix them. I also hate their refusal to answer questions, like my thread about unlocking Relic WSs, where I have no reply. Not a highly popular thread, but a single simple question which should be easy for them to answer.

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I just think its pretty crappy trying to be God without having the power to allow them to play the part.

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Even in game design where you play god and create worlds, in my opinion, the best form of art there is, there are players, customers, and you need to cater to them as much as your own artistic values and ideals.

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PS2 sux! It's 11 year old technology with the ram less than 3-5 times lower than today's smart phones.


You can't install software or games without having the basic requirements first. Otherwise the game just won't work.

On the flip side...

DEVs cannot adjust and implement things that go past PS2 limits. I see some complaints asking DEVs to do this, do that as if they have unlimited abilities and no obstacles.

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This is why many people ask them to simply cut the PS2 out of the equation. Adoulin can not be played on a non-JP PS2 for instance, why not remove PS2 from things completely? Honestly, if your without a PC which can run FFXI at this point but still can afford FFXI on your PS2, I think you need to save that money up, a PC will do much more for you. There are many ways around having to use a keyboard and mouse too, many people play on PC with controllers, and there are adaptors for PCs which work with PS2 controllers. In the end, another piece of feedback gone without being listened to, or at least, carried out.

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I've learned in life sometimes its easy to think this way but once you are the one doing the work, you realize its not as easy as people think it is.

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I am sure they can not snap their finger to make it happen. At the same time, I know its their job to please the customers, not chase them away, their job involves working on the game, no matter how easy or hard it is. So in the end, I can not expect the impossible, but I also can not forgive ignorance toward certain things. I can not say how easy or hard it is personally to fix some of the larger issues in this game, but apparently, some of them were fixed by players faster than by the devs themselves, as shown by the excellent work of Windower and the team working on it, who provided many UI benefits for the PC gamers over the years long before SE's new UI was even a thought in their head, let alone its yet to be released still on the actual servers.

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So many people in congress sit and make multi million dollar salaries to say no when people ask for things like gay marriage and equality.

While they play God and vote to say YES and NO. They make these decisions for the overall community and not just for that one specific group that think its unfair.

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Real life & this game are far from the same. A law effects many people in the real world and their real life, thought must go into that unlike anything in a game.

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And that's how I see so many complaints on these forums. You demand things you think its unfair. But not considering looking at the glass from all angles but rather look at it from the side your staring at.

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I look only from the views I know, I do not pretend I know how things are from every perspective, I am not foolish enough to think I understand it all. At the same time, I use what I do know to form my posts and opinions on things, and then post my thoughts on it all. I assure you, I know their job is not snapping their fingers, its hard work, but I also know some of what we ask for can not possibly be as hard as they claim. UI adjustments can not be as hard as they claim, players have done it before, and continue to. Changes to drop rates can not be hard, yet, they change almost none of them, ever, at all. These are not hard tasks it seems, yet, nothing from them most of the time.

And no matter how many times you say Yumcax sucks, Hurkan sucks. Going by your word alone does not make DEV TEAM come to the conclusion that they need to follow your advice.

Sometimes numbers tell the story that words can't. Analyzing all the servers tell them the story than 5-10 people ranting over why they think it sucks and how you think people will rage quit.

If the numbers don't add up to what you are saying then like I said several times before.

DEVS are not stupid. If X amount of people are making parties doin the event and X amount of people are getting items then obviously numbers will paint the picture of how the event is better than you people make it out to be.

They have to analyze all servers, all communities, all feedback before they adjust things that's not murderously important. Why am I the only one that understands this???

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Ok but do you guys honestly think making dratstic changes would keep people here regardless that FFXIV was released? To me it would be a waste of time to build a town if you know the hurricane is coming.

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Drastic changes sent people away. For at least my clique of friends, it wasn't how appealing FFXIV was, it was how unappealing FFXI had become.

There have always been people, in every mmo, who stay for their friends, just like people in real life endure crap so that they can stay near friends. You might dislike a friend's girlfriend, but you still go out to dinner with them, because you like him.

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Hurricane has arrived. Damage has been done. Only makes sense to wait it out and see the results before making anymore major changes. I mean I already see so many posts describing the aftermath of FFXI since 14 launched.

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No, believe it or not, the first thing you do is start cleaning up the mess, checking for survivors (the analogous parallel would be people still playing, I suppose), and rebuilding. When a disaster hits, you don't wait to see what else is going to happen.

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You should already know by now that if the DEVs did not give you what you are complaining about in the amount of time you are presenting your ideas and feedback, then maybe there are reasons that they don't tell you as to why they don't address them.

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Edit (forgot to reply to this): I don't doubt they have reasons, I don't understand why we can't know them. What reason is so grand that it justifies people unsubscribing as they are.

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DEVs cannot adjust and implement things that go past PS2 limits. I see some complaints asking DEVs to do this, do that as if they have unlimited abilities and no obstacles.

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If they dumped PS2, so that those players were no longer a concern--Some changes they can't make because of things in the deeper architecture of the game, it's just unrealistic. Other things, they simply don't change because the PS2 can't reliably do it without locking up.

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And that's how I see so many complaints on these forums. You demand things you think its unfair. But not considering looking at the glass from all angles but rather look at it from the side your staring at.

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I need you to tell me, since you have the perspective, about fixing the droprate from WKR. Again, they think getting a log after 5 hours is cute, or coy, but it simply isn't. Nobody laughs merrily with all their friends as they go list the log on the AH for 2k.

Yeah DJ I think they should get rid of PS2 support. But then again getting rid of PS2 support wouldn't be the only issue. Coding the game and all expansions to higher technology would be the same as Yoshi P recreating a while new game engine.

FFXI is 11 year old technology. Not today's technology. And when people want today's gaming demands would mean SE would have to bring the entire game to today's technology.

I can't imagine how many years and how many multimillion dollars and staff of programmers it would take to do this.

This is why FF7 was never revised.