NEO Nyzul 2.0

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

For some, the "I can do 4k dmg and I'm so leet" rush wears off after you continue to get jerked around by luck (or the lack thereof).

There's nothing against Embrava, or even Embrava x2. But any event which forces players to -rely- on it for success is broken. That's the issue.

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This is true but it goes back to what I'm saying, if you must have its broken, and if you do not have to have it, its equally as broken, if tomorrow they changed it in an update that they were making all these changes that would make it possible without Embrava, the underline problem stays, with Embrava now, its doable, without it, its insane. In that NNI it would be doable without it, but with Embrava it would become insanely easy. Either way you tip the scale it becomes a problem, and thats why as much as there should be a way around it, its kinda unavoidable.

All new events will face this problem I think, as I said, Odin2.0 will end up being 1 of 2 ways I think. Either its to hard at 1st and people complain (I think this happened with Legion, not sure but think it was the case) or 2, its to easy, people with 12DDs, 3SMN, 1COR, 1SCH, and 1BRD, will beat it then share the experience, and it will be the final limit break all over again, a bunch of PD/Embrava zergs to kill the NM we are to lazy to fight traditionally and rather kill in 30seconds and be done. And until yesterday I didn't fully understand the new Limbus would suck, I was thinking new Limbus would be like old, but with new monsters, I was looking forward to seeing the 1st 2nd & 3rd floors having something like Harpys, or Mantis, new beastmen floors including something like Aht beastmen, but instead its just a buy a chip, go fight Arch-thingy, the end.

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Originally Posted by Milva

Probably for many people reaching their chosen destination (F100) but getting shafted by RNG (no drop) would feel better than getting cut short by RNG in the middle of their run (be it low ??? jumps, 5-lamp orders, no-JA pathos on a floor where you were supposed to reapply Embrava, PDT flan, chariots and gears everywhere, etc).

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IMO reaching target floor (80) 25times everybody in group getting wanted item +some decent gear (probably lot better than what you have) is way better than reaching target floor(100) with 2%*n/15 drop rate (n= number of item you want/need)

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If you've ever camped Charybdis at 75 - imagine it had en-death 100% on it's meele hits. You could roll double Mambo, full EVA and ride shadow recasts, but no matter what, monsters have a 20% guaranteed hit rate. So you would need luck to either get hit when you have shadow up, or evade when shadows go down. Otherwise Death.
Attempting Neo Nyzul is like fighting en-death Charybdis. Oh, but this one Hundred Fists regurarly. Enjoy.

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lol.
rdm solo/duo grav/bind nuke never get hit
zerg: DD(/nin if want extra security)*4 rdm/drk sch: embrava +para+ CS stun .

so you're saying NIUR is easy as long as you don't suck?


I think luck factor is too high, but don't want SE to nerf it so every party of 6 average PU player can defeat it regulary

Doesn't it take ~year of hitting 80 to finish all 3 sets? You could probably hit 100 more often in the same time frame, depending on "luck". Probably what SE wants tbh.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Doesn't it take ~year of hitting 80 to finish all 3 sets? You could probably hit 100 more often in the same time frame, depending on "luck". Probably what SE wants tbh.

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- going the 80way is for people who think 100 is impossible.
- how long would it take if NIUR turned into "easy win/crappy drop rate"?
- don't know any group not duping who got 15 salvage gear *6 in one year

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

For some, the "I can do 4k dmg and I'm so leet" rush wears off after you continue to get jerked around by luck (or the lack thereof).

There's nothing against Embrava, or even Embrava x2. But any event which forces players to -rely- on it for success is broken. That's the issue.

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Well said and i just wanted to state something that i'm sure some ppl that don't have SCH or have not been around a SCH know.


Embrava is part of SCH's 2hr ability.


Been following this thread a while now and just didn't want that tidbit lost in all the back and forth.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

the underline problem stays, with Embrava now, its doable, without it, its insane. In that NNI it would be doable without it, but with Embrava it would become insanely easy.

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The thing is, if proper changes are made to it, Embrava will not make it any easier that it is now. You guys need to understand that no one here is suggesting it be easier. We are saying the difficulty should be in the skill employed by players, not in the luck used in behind-the-scenes scripting.

You also need to understand that, unless SCH 2hr is adjusted, or Embrava is adjusted, any change made will obviously affect a SCHx2 setup as well. However, it is more important to fix a broken event, than it is to keep it broken for the sake of making it easier for those players who always do a hack+mod+schx2 setup.

The only reason to not fix NI is so that e-peens don't go flaccid. An honest, impartial assessment of the event can loan you no other perspective than that the event is broken as is, and needs to be adjusted.

So make the gear accessable to even the unprepared groups when the armor is the best in the game. That doesn't make sense. Yes, it should become more accessable to groups that don't have the normal sch x2 4 heady DD setup, but making it so any average group can clear the content with any setup seems a little ridiculously easy.... They would be forced to nerf the drop rates and make the 100% drop on 100 not exist. The idea of needing 2 sch embrava actually makes alot of people excited about the event. I bet 95% of you won't even try with different setups. 2 sch, any great DD can manage to make 100, it's just the 4 heavy DD will succeed more often. Give it a try. If you aren't willing to level sch, make a static and be a DD. Atleast try people.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

So make the gear accessable to even the unprepared groups when the armor is the best in the game. That doesn't make sense. Yes, it should become more accessable to groups that don't have the normal sch x2 4 heady DD setup, but making it so any average group can clear the content with any setup seems a little ridiculously easy.... They would be forced to nerf the drop rates and make the 100% drop on 100 not exist. The idea of needing 2 sch embrava actually makes alot of people excited about the event. I bet 95% of you won't even try with different setups. 2 sch, any great DD can manage to make 100, it's just the 4 heavy DD will succeed more often. Give it a try. If you aren't willing to level sch, make a static and be a DD. Atleast try people.

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Quit trolling and learn2read, fupa. No one is saying make it so unprepared groups can win. No one is complaining about the difficulty. We are complaining that, as of right now, only SCHx2, DDx4 setups have a realistic hope to win. That is a fact and it is also a problem. As one of the 2 SCHs in my static I can tell you, an Embrava is broken, and needing it x2 per event is even more broken. This is akin to the RNG-burns, SMN-burns, and Manaburns of the past, which were all "cheap tickets" to circumvent an otherwise difficult fight.

The difference here is that SCHx2,DDx4 isn't an "easy ticket" ... it's the only way to have a chance. If you can't see that, you really don't need to tell other people to give it a try. We have and we are not pacified by the "ooh look at my Embrava'd damage output" candy.

Not trolling. Think about it. You give groups the ability to go with say blu dnc nin pup thf rdm as a setup, that would mean that groups with sch x2 4 heavy DD would clear the content so damn easy that the event would last 15 days for them, TO GET THE BEST GEAR IN THE GAME. They would be forced to basically make the DROP RATE on floor 100 gear abysmal, and remove the guarenteed drop. What do you suggest they do. No duh it's dumb that you need 2 people's 2 hours to beat an event, but the question is, wtf do you want them to do? I'm seeing plently of people in neo nyzle gear now, and this update they did was amazing, but yet people still trash on the event. Calling me a troll when you are offering no input, except what 100 other people have said is kind of pointless.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Not trolling. Think about it. You give groups the ability to go with say blu dnc nin pup thf rdm as a setup, that would mean that groups with sch x2 4 heavy DD would clear the content so damn easy that the event would last 15 days for them, TO GET THE BEST GEAR IN THE GAME. They would be forced to basically make the DROP RATE on floor 100 gear abysmal, and remove the guarenteed drop. What do you suggest they do. No duh it's dumb that you need 2 people's 2 hours to beat an event, but the question is, wtf do you want them to do? I'm seeing plently of people in neo nyzle gear now, and this update they did was amazing, but yet people still trash on the event. Calling me a troll when you are offering no input, except what 100 other people have said is kind of pointless.

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Here's the problem, you're not thinkinig about it. "Calling me a troll when you are offering no input, except what 100 other people have said" should tell you that it's a shared opinion, and I have provided input on how to make the event better without allowing "any throw-together" group to complete it. The problem is you see no problem with "SCHx2/DDx4" so showing you anything otherwise will be beside the point.

For example: Stopping the time between floors will not make it easier for throw-together, gimped groups to complete the content. Why? Because they still have to complete each floor, and without an optimal setup, this will take more time. The difference is they'd be able to time out at floor 40 instead of floor 16.

My suggestions would not let any gimp group complete floor 100 all the time. But any group should have at least a 5% success rate. Uber superkupopowerz groups should have a higher success rate. But to just sit back and say "SCHx2/DDx4... problem? U mad?" is not the way to go about discussing this event.

I've offered suggestions on how to improve NI without letting any ol' gimp party beat it; you just don't want any changes made to it, but that doesn't mean that I haven't offered any input, when I have, repeatedly, and none of my suggestions have been given any legitimate flack.