[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

ehh maybe on your server.. on siren they are still camped heavily.. even with an average of 700 people online at any given time during NA time


I'll use my previous example i tried to camp adamantoise 4 days in a row a couple weeks back.. so thats about 12 wasted hours.. also during retarded times of the day.. in which i never managed to get claim.

a fifth day of not getting claim wouldn't be unreasonable.. ive been outclaimed many times

so lets say about 15 hours wasted or round it up to 16 hours for the time it would have taken to arrive at the camp each day


During that time you could have spent 16 hours doing magian trials and getting kindred seals at the same time

so a seal drops once every 5 mins .. 50% chance beastmen or kindred so we could say a kindred seal drops about once every 10 mins on average

10 mins * 99 = 990 mins or 16.5 hours... so for anybody camping an hnm and isn't getting a claim more often than once every 5 days this system is far better

Which would seem to be most people at least on my server... the same people always claim the hnm's.. there is always one group who claims behemoth because they are camping Dring

So if for whatever reason you dont want to spend all that retarded time camping hnm's

every 5 days or so of doing random magian trials or exp in non-abyssea are for 2~3 hours a day.. you'd get a 99 orb

doesn't seem overly challenging.....

If thats the hardest part of getting a blackbelt these days i wouldn't complain

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Again some people don't get a seal every 5- 10 mins lol. like I said in my post before I spent my time at Adi killing mobs and was lucky to get the 5-9 seals that I got.

*edited 5-10 mins I was typing to fast lol

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Originally Posted by Camate

Just to clarify some questions that have been popping up regarding these adjustments, KSNM99 BCs will continue to drop black belt-related quest items.

Also, another bit of important information you might like to know, the triggers needed to spawn Fafnir/Behemoth/Adamantoise will be tradeable.

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Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

So all those people complaining they don't have seals, Now have the option to purchase the Pop item too! 1 Less problem.

They'll still complain though

watch them.

Prob with that is not everyone is going to be able to afford the prices though lol. Not complaining just pointing out that its not really something some will look forward too lol.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

So all those people complaining they don't have seals, Now have the option to purchase the Pop item too! 1 Less problem.

They'll still complain though

watch them.

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Being able to purchase the items actually did make this tremendously less of a hassle.. Though you're right, people will still complain.

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Originally Posted by Kindra

Prob with that is not everyone is going to be able to afford the prices though lol. Not complaining just pointing out that its not really something some will look forward too lol.

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I'd say it's arguably easier to farm gil than seals.

Even if it was 7 or 8 days of doing magian trials to get an orb.. it would still be better for the people who are never able to get claim.


2 shots at a blackbelt item per ks99 orb is better than 1 shot from a ks99 orb and 0% chance at kings gear / BB item

Hmmmm i wonder if the the NQ pops will be tradeable, will the HQ king pops be tradeable as well. Sure the fact that he didn't say the HQ pops were tradeable would mean they would be R/E, but its worth a mention.

Please don't think I am saying i hate the update. I am just looking at both sides of the coin. I see how it benifits and I see how it doesn't. Either way it really doesn't effect me in the least lol. I am just trying to point out how some aren't as lucky with KS drops and such and that I can see where they are coming from :).

Like I said if this had been put into place back when they were dominated by HNM shells I don't think there would have been this much dismay over it. :)

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Originally Posted by Khajit

That may be the case with adamantoise currently but Behemoth tended to have 17~ people all CCing me on off days and when late in a KB window I'd see a large section of those old endgame ls still clinging to kings as if they're relevant so I guess me vs 20~30 bots at minimum(assuming only 1 of the old ls is there) not counting the misc people whom aren't in those old ls.

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Yes but the pressure is still easing, the problem was gradually fixing itself. Again, why would they make changes unless they expected the content to become more relevant again?

And sorry I don't usually crystal ball but i'm becoming rather convinced they expect demand for kings to go up post update.

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Originally Posted by Denabond

Hmmmm i wonder if the the NQ pops will be tradeable, will the HQ king pops be tradeable as well. Sure the fact that he didn't say the HQ pops were tradeable would mean they would be R/E, but its worth a mention.

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Well camate only mentioned the fafnir / adamantoise / behemoth triggers as being tradeable

HQ will probably be rare/ex although i think those should be tradeable as well

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Well camate only mentioned the fafnir / adamantoise / behemoth triggers as being tradeable

HQ will probably be rare/ex although i think those should be tradeable as well

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I Think the idea is wanting players to work for the kings. You can buy NQ, but not HQ. Similar to how in Abyssea you can buy a lot of NQ pops, But you need Key Items for HQ pops.

Again, Its an attempt to create some balance. If they came out and handed everyone a pop on a silver platter the "hard-core" crowd would come and whine they're making the game too easy! (cause you know, Camping an NM that spawned once a day was sooooooooooooo hard. Cry more), Where as, If they made it too difficult, the Casuals would whine its still too hard.

Its harder to create a balance than people think, Too easy, people complain. Too Hard? People complain. Perfect balance? PEOPLE COMPLAIN.

This is why I don't envy MMO Developers. People are whiny ungrateful crybabies no matter what you do to satisfy them. Its like trying to keep a bunch of pre-schoolers happy, It doesn't work. They just keep whining. IT NEVER STOPS.

One of them is thirsty, you give them a juice. Now everyone else wants juice, Even if they're not thirsty, they just want it because someone else got it. (Job Adjustments. Hint hint)