Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

No, actually, he keeps going until he gets banned from the forum. See: any other FFXI forum.

I just desperately hope that when it happens again here, the ban will carry over to the game.

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That's what's going to have to happen -- because, when it does, it will show that Square-Enix is so desperate to make a buck that they couldn't give two whits about the equity or legality of play. I've heard it once -- I've heard it 100 times: "All they care about is your $12.95/mo."

I only play FFXI to say that it had better be more than that on their end -- else, why bother? The players (who, as a whole, I have zero respect for) will just steamroll any mechanism that Square-Enix attempts to better the game with.

They steamrolled Abyssea -- they're going to steamroll new-Dynamis -- they're going to make it such that the only players getting enjoyment from the game either have long-standing friendships or a mastery of griefing and a desire to deny progress to everyone who doesn't kiss their royal behind.

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

This guy a self-righteous, self-important holier than thou asshat of the highest calibur. He refuses to ever acknowledge any viewpoints differing from his own and constantly throw around insults and slander. He also completely ignores any valid point against his argument (read; pretty much everything anyone else ever says, anywhere at any time).

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You mean anything which requires me to kiss royal behinds. I'm not good at that, in case you last checked.

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

The only way we will ever be free of this idiocy is waiting and biding time until he gets banned (again). Either that or everyone puts him on their ignore list, which isn't likely to happen.

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That's what's going to have to go down, both here and in-game.

But let me make it very simple for you:

There are so many cheaters out there that I trust NO ONE.

I think you have all forgotten what the topic is about.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Starcade's been playing the same act for something like 5 years or more now. He's not going to stop any time soon. The only reason he doesn't have more publicity is he's been long banned from pretty much every FFXI community forum.

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Considering I have zero respect for the FFXI community (and it's enablement and inclusion of cheaters), that's no real surprise.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

If no one gives him places to spout his crap, he'll make a new thread to spout more crap. I figure it's better to have him in a worthless, long-finished thread like this than making new threads and giving even more people headaches.

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Basically, my very presence breathing gives people headaches. Found that out a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Hell, he thinks I care about the status quo, that's funny. Read my discourse with Rubeus, I feel I make it fairly clear that I appreciate the change in the status quo; I simply dislike people who think it's their right to forcefully impose their standards for playing an open-world online game on other people.

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You're a bad liar. The only reason there is any order in such an open-world game is such imposition. You just want to be the imposer, rather than the imposed.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I think you have all forgotten what the topic is about.

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The topic sucked, and was talked to death over the first 25 pages. If you can find something that wasn't actually mentioned or talked about a dozen times already to legitimately discuss, feel free to bring it up.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

You're a bad liar. The only reason there is any order in such an open-world game is such imposition. You just want to be the imposer, rather than the imposed.

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Oh I see. If I'm not [insert what Starcade thinks I'm doing] then I'm lying about ['']. Guess there goes just about anything anyone could ever say in a discourse with you. Wow you're smart, you've got this all figured out.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The topic sucked, and was talked to death over the first 25 pages. If you can find something that wasn't actually mentioned or talked about a dozen times already to legitimately discuss, feel free to bring it up.

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Then the thread should've been locked twenty pages ago.

The fact is simple: Questions like the OP's would not be necessary in a playerbase which respects legal play, which this one DOES NOT.

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

No, actually, he keeps going until he gets banned from the forum. See: any other FFXI forum.

I just desperately hope that when it happens again here, the ban will carry over to the game. This guy a self-righteous, self-important holier than thou asshat of the highest calibur. He refuses to ever acknowledge any viewpoints differing from his own and constantly throw around insults and slander. He also completely ignores any valid point against his argument (read; pretty much everything anyone else ever says, anywhere at any time).

The only way we will ever be free of this idiocy is waiting and biding time until he gets banned (again). Either that or everyone puts him on their ignore list, which isn't likely to happen.

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to that last part? ohhhh... you'd be surprised. /trendsetting

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I think you have all forgotten what the topic is about.

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there's like, 5 of these exact same subject-ed threads. they're just worded cleverly. i dislike repeating myself, so i'm only making my point on this one. this one has thoroughly taken the "don't change it" approach though, from the majority anyway. should we go move our banter into ANOTHER thread or just stay in this one?

I know what I would prefer if I were in your shoes.

well then you should all just stop posting in them then or hope for the staff to get to locking :p

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Starcade's been playing the same act for something like 5 years or more now. He's not going to stop any time soon. The only reason he doesn't have more publicity is he's been long banned from pretty much every FFXI community forum. If no one gives him places to spout his crap, he'll make a new thread to spout more crap. I figure it's better to have him in a worthless, long-finished thread like this than making new threads and giving even more people headaches.

Hell, he thinks I care about the status quo, that's funny. Read my discourse with Rubeus, I feel I make it fairly clear that I appreciate the change in the status quo; I simply dislike people who think it's their right to forcefully impose their standards for playing an open-world online game on other people.

Edit: For clarity, there is a difference between telling a WAR that TP'ing in full Heca is stupid and petitioning SE to have full AF Wars Banned. Key difference.

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^ I agree with GG. SE made these forums for us to provide feedback and say what we would like for the game. Feedback, at least on a business and scientific level, isn't "I LIKE THIS COS I DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!1!!@" feedback is "this is what I think, and why, and why it makes sense to me." someone else disagrees they say "well I disagree. I think this, and this is why I think that way, and I can understand why you'd think your way, but did you stop to consider ___" to which person 1 will either retort with 'yes, it was an unspoken' or 'no, but in regards to that my plan would be ___, or 'no, I am wrong, apologies.' that isn't happening with star. you can't even try; its been done. I don't even need to feign proof of that, it's 20 pages knee-deep in itself like a 4th of july with full band celebration just begging "LOOK AT ME FOR PROOF!"

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