This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

Yes. Most people already have the drops, and unlike if it were easier to get, they know the fights suck and take forever even with a good deal of people, so no one who has their drops even thinks of going back to help others with it. Phoenix hasn't had a fast Yumcax in a while, since the one Ultimas brought up earlier in this thread, I have seen 3 hours as the personal shortest I attended, though I heard the battle started 2 hours before that when they were starting to make progress, and that they spent 6 hours before that trying to gather people. All in all, the time investment required to simply gather people is insane, let alone the battle itself.

After several WKs, some players either had their drops, or gave up (like me, I just won't go anymore. Wasting 5 hours for a log is just stupid.)

At some point, you get more and more people not willing to come on the right jobs, or simply unable to. These "right jobs" are COR, SMN, PLD, WHM, Heavy DD / Well geared DD. BLMs can, in some sitautions, do good damage to some WK now, but SMN can do a lot more damage before hate becomes an issue.

Couple that with Valefor not being able to break 800 players any time I've /sea'd in the last three days, and at least a quarter of those are afk, probably 50 more are mules.

I'm forever a pessimist and a little bit of a conspiracy theorist at times, but it just seems like they're trying to make XI suck.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

If it took 1~2 hours a fight, I doubt we would complain about WKs very much, but with most people experiencing many back to back 5+ hour marathon battles with WKs, it only makes the sting of getting nothing in the end that much worse.

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Nah, their probably wouldn't be many complaints. The chief problem, for me, has always been simply that the battle can take an hour, or it can take 13, apparently, and you have no control over it. 18 people coming on the right jobs has an impact, but one person doesn't.

That, and the ability of one twilight zombie to keep everyone on the ground for 15 minutes because they're dumb, or enjoying themselves.

I'm shocked that your Yumcax went that bad. Sucks man :/

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

He was a friend, I cant say the same about being happy hes gone.

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Sorry, I hate him. I hated how he kept saying wait and see, wait and see, people are getting drops too fast. And then he bailed on the game. I also hated how he took one course on game design and he lorded that over us as if he knew something we didn’t. And I hated how he kept proposing solutions that the devs would never go for, then had the gall to question others for not doing the same.

Yeah, I won’t miss him.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

So far as WKs go, I was in 1 2 nights ago, I got a Lesser Chigoe, nothing more. I also went to a Yumcax yesterday which shouted for probably close to 4~6 hours that I saw, people had so little hope in that battle that around hour 4, it went form 40 people, to 20 people, by the time I warped out and had given up completely, we had 7 people left. The battle took to long and to many people that we constantly wiped any time we tried to get started, shouts were going badly because there was no interest, and we ended up simply calling it quits, all of my 70k Bayld was wasted in every way possible, because it went to absolutely nothing, all because the battle is that poor.

Rewards are a large issue, but lets not forget the battles themselves are bad as well, and part of why the reward issue is so bad too, after all, if it took 1~2 hours a fight, I doubt we would complain about WKs very much, but with most people experiencing many back to back 5+ hour marathon battles with WKs, it only makes the sting of getting nothing in the end that much worse.

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Yes, I completely agree that if the fight itself had not been so intolerable I would not have posted this morning. I would have been upset by my herb seeds and silently cursed to myself, but I wouldn't have bothered posting. Our issue was that the tanks were completely and utterly unable to hold hate. Or they were dying, I’m not sure what was happening because I couldn’t target them. All I know is that hate was everywhere. I’d do 1k damage in t1 nukes and while I might not pull hate, somebody else would.

As the fight wore on, more and more people went afk. They wouldn’t get up when raised. As time went on, you could see them disappear as they HPed after an hour. And I don’t blame them at all, you simply can’t be expected to keep actively participating for so long. One of my LS members actually went afk, HPed, slept, then ran back to the fight before she left for work. The last 5% took at least 90 minutes. We definitely could've used reinforcements, but who in their right mind will head out to Yorcia if they hear that the NM is at 5%?

And this is at 50% colonization too. People have been busy on Valefor; 50% is really good for us. People have been complaining about low server numbers, but Valefor has been in the 700’s during NA primetime this week.

Yes DJ, this time I’m not even complaining about the drops. I would love to get what I want so I can end this hellish façade once and for all, but at this point, I would settle for a 2 hour fight that doesn’t make me miserable. For now though, that’s it. I will not do Yumcax again. That was a terrible experience for something that’s supposed to be fun.

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Sorry, I hate him. I hated how he kept saying wait and see, wait and see, people are getting drops too fast. And then he bailed on the game. I also hated how he took one course on game design and he lorded that over us as if he knew something we didn’t. And I hated how he kept proposing solutions that the devs would never go for, then had the gall to question others for not doing the same.

Yeah, I won’t miss him.

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Forum wise, I disagreed with most of what he said, and by most I mean 95% of it. Game wise, I cant say the same. Knowing him only on here, I can see why you would feel as you do.

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Yes, I completely agree that if the fight itself had not been so intolerable I would not have posted this morning. I would have been upset by my herb seeds and silently cursed to myself, but I wouldn't have bothered posting. Our issue was that the tanks were completely and utterly unable to hold hate. Or they were dying, I’m not sure what was happening because I couldn’t target them. All I know is that hate was everywhere. I’d do 1k damage in t1 nukes and while I might not pull hate, somebody else would.

As the fight wore on, more and more people went afk. They wouldn’t get up when raised. As time went on, you could see them disappear as they HPed after an hour. And I don’t blame them at all, you simply can’t be expected to keep actively participating for so long. One of my LS members actually went afk, HPed, slept, then ran back to the fight before she left for work. The last 5% took at least 90 minutes. We definitely could've used reinforcements, but who in their right mind will head out to Yorcia if they hear that the NM is at 5%?

And this is at 50% colonization too. People have been busy on Valefor; 50% is really good for us. People have been complaining about low server numbers, but Valefor has been in the 700’s during NA primetime this week.

Yes DJ, this time I’m not even complaining about the drops. I would love to get what I want so I can end this hellish façade once and for all, but at this point, I would settle for a 2 hour fight that doesn’t make me miserable. For now though, that’s it. I will not do Yumcax again. That was a terrible experience for something that’s supposed to be fun.

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I am basically to the same point myself. I made due with a cure set now without the damned club for my RDM, which was its only use for me, and so now I basically wait for Hurkan shouts, which haven't happened on Phoenix in like 2 weeks that I have seen, which sucks for me. After I get my feet & head from Hurkan I will simply get my free hat from Yumcax & be done with it all if I can even manage to do that much.

These fights are getting horrible, worse and worse as time goes on, no one would be stupid enough to go help people in these fights once they have the drops, its not something like Shinryu where you go to fight him with some friends or LS members to help out, while knowing it probably wont drop, but it wont take long. Since you cant really count on people you know on, you have to hope that there are somewhere between 50 to 100 people willing and able to come out and fight the NM who are also on the right jobs for it so they can actually help, and are also competent. That's asking a lot for an event which was basically made in such a way it would obviously die after a while by design.

So far as the low server counts go, I have 1k people on Phoenix, yet Yorcia bounces between 45~50% on a daily basis, never getting higher or lower than that really. Marjami stays at 100% as one would expect though. These fights really are depressing, no one does the old ones at all anymore on Phoenix, except 1 Shark shout that was going 2 days ago during a Yumcax shout, it only took 14 hours from start to finish, and its old, not even the newer one. How SE doesn't see these need adjusted to be funner, shorter, more rewarding, and overall enjoyable, is beyond me. Maybe we are just crazy English speakers for thinking games should be enjoyed, it seems like SE often designs this game with the idea of it being a job, not in any way recreation besides side events like Monstrosity.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Yes. Most people already have the drops, and unlike if it were easier to get, they know the fights suck and take forever even with a good deal of people, so no one who has their drops even thinks of going back to help others with it. Phoenix hasn't had a fast Yumcax in a while, since the one Ultimas brought up earlier in this thread, I have seen 3 hours as the personal shortest I attended, though I heard the battle started 2 hours before that when they were starting to make progress, and that they spent 6 hours before that trying to gather people. All in all, the time investment required to simply gather people is insane, let alone the battle itself.

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This is pretty much the reason I have yet to do any WKR... I just don't have the real life time.
This isn't so much a problem during the summer.... but fall brings back school and whatnot...
I've had friends spend 12hr "in" a WKR... with most of that just getting ppl and getting them all to the place.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Sorry, I hate him. I hated how he kept saying wait and see, wait and see, people are getting drops too fast. And then he bailed on the game. I also hated how he took one course on game design and he lorded that over us as if he knew something we didn’t. And I hated how he kept proposing solutions that the devs would never go for, then had the gall to question others for not doing the same.

Yeah, I won’t miss him.

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It's sad how you can judge someone you've never met. Yeah maybe we don't agree in terms of forum topics. That doesn't mean I'm a prick or some evil mean shady person who doesn't know how to get along with others.

I've spent 80% of my in game time helping others get their quests, missions, items. I've stayed up several days and nights until my friends get what they needed.

And I am not one who gets what I want and never go back to help others. In fact I despise it and join endless groups to do things I've already done a million times.

And I was the last person to bail when people needed my help.

You may hate me on the forums but whatever discussions I've had only means not everybody has the same mind or think the same as you.

And not everybody will jump ship and agree with your rants, complaints, bitter disappointments even if you have several others behind you to gang up on those who don't agree.

And yes I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I've ever disrespected you.

Your example shows everyone why people leave this game to begin with.

P.S. OP my debate replies always brings your topic back to the top of the page to keep your discussion going. I'm sure DEVs read them.

And I'm sure you welcome people who debate otherwise your topic would have died out a long time ago unless you bump it yourself.

Btw. I'm disgusted and embarassed being part of the NA community. People complain, put others down, bully, treat others with such disrespect. Don't know when to STFU and be happy that you even have attention to begin with.

Devs no matter what game it is bust their arse off to bring you a game only for you to complain and give them a hard time when they are already doing their best.

Never satisfied.

All because you want answers NOW!!! Not tomorrow, not next week, not next month!!!!

And when they do answer you, you complain because its not the response you wanted!!

And yes sometimes people do get caught up with other things in life. EVERYONE DOES! Doesn't mean a DEV needs to hold on to your hand 24/7 to make you happy.

Yoshi P from FFXIV crying in a video because of how hard he has been working to make 14 happen again only to get such horrible support from the NA/EU community. Apologizing for the servers being down only hoping to breathe and finally rest from working so hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWSMdCMyvE

Poor guy looks like he hasn't slept in days.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?foru...07456219725587


I just hope Matsui doesn't break down into tears from all the hell you people give him.

Check your hate at the door. "SLAM"

And thank you DJ for seeing that debates are debates. Friendship is not defined by a few mere topic discussions arguing over a game on the forums. I miss you too enough that I paid another sub fee to come login and see you.