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06-15-2012, 06:32 PM
Demon6324236

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I'll settle the discussion. BLU and RDM both suck.

I'll settle every argument you get into right now, you have no good opinions on anything outside your own shortsightedness. SCH, RDM, BLU, VW gear, VW Abj gear, so many things suck to you, my idea is maybe its not the gear that sucks, maybe the one judging it.
06-15-2012, 06:38 PM
Llana_Virren

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

stuff

Demon, I agree with you that NI shouldn't be so retardedly configured that RDM is useless (RDM mage or melee); however I can tell you that any BLU worth his salt will blow RDM out of the water. Sorry to break it to you.
06-15-2012, 06:38 PM
Fupafighter

Ok so you gave that blu a shit tp and ws set. Good comparison moron lol. 1. If you really want to see a good TP set for blu, check this http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/29072/advice-tp-99/ . The best set provides 33 str + w.e thaumas x3 gives, 29 dex, 25% haste, 29 acc, 25% double attack, 6% triple, 3% quad, +60 attack, -5% DW. That's a blu TP set if you wanna compare actual good sets that are not that hard to get, also offhand of str sword, because good blu offhand str. As for weaponskill sets, WTF. WS set should be DEX 72, 55 str, 5% critical hit rate, 18% double attack, 6% triple attack, +94 attack, 30 acc, and tp bonus +25. Don't forget about the traits active for blu mage, and there ability to SC off their CDC. Go check out this http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/30...e-to-blue-mage too if you want to be ignorant and not understand gear sets. That was complete fail of an attempt to make me look stupid. You know nothing about blu. Also I was too lazy to count the set bonus from 3/5 and 2/5 thaumas on both sets.
06-15-2012, 06:42 PM
Demon6324236

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Ok so you gave that blu a shit tp and ws set. Good comparison moron lol. 1. If you really want to see a good TP set for blu, check this http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/29072/advice-tp-99/ . The best set provides 33 str + w.e thaumas x3 gives, 29 dex, 25% haste, 29 acc, 25% double attack, 6% triple, 3% quad, +60 attack, -5% DW. That's a blu TP set if you wanna compare actual good sets that are not that hard to get, also offhand of str sword, because good blu offhand str. As for weaponskill sets, WTF. WS set should be DEX 72, 55 str, 5% critical hit rate, 18% double attack, 6% triple attack, +94 attack, 30 acc, and tp bonus +25. Don't forget about the traits active for blu mage, and there ability to SC off their CDC. Go check out this http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/30...e-to-blue-mage too if you want to be ignorant and not understand gear sets. That was complete fail of an attempt to make me look stupid. You know nothing about blu. Also I was too lazy to count the set bonus from 3/5 and 2/5 thaumas on both sets.

You want to know something? I don't really know all to much about BLU, another of those jobs I leveled for procs, and you know what? You know nothing about RDM so shut up. :D
06-15-2012, 06:48 PM
Fupafighter

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Might I point out that I have said many times I want more gear for my RDM? This means there is growth to be made and as such why should you expect to look at me and see all of the dream gear I have in many of the builds I have made? I make them to set myself goals to look forward to and to show friends what I think might be good if they did certain things with their jobs such as my DRK, SAM, SCH, WHM, BLM and now BLU builds I have.

Leveled does not mean capped skills, with good gear (WAR, SAM and DRK are all in 4/5~5/5+1 with maybe 1~2 pieces +2, SCH is like a 2nd main sharing many of the same pieces of gear with my RDM and has full+2, making it very nice) Emp, Relic, experience, correct merits... If it were as simple as leveling a job and going in yes, those gimps you claim cant win, would win. Its not that simple apparently because you even said it yourself, so yes, I put work into my jobs before I use them. WAR was for red procs, DRK was because I liked the job before I got to 90 and found that I was a gimp for using a Scythe like I had all these years, and SAM because I needed it as a sub for both of the previous jobs, and I liked its TP control, causing me to level it further. I lost interest in these jobs because due to being to spread I was unable to accomplish much on my RDM, as such I ceased working on them nearly as much, along with my many other jobs, and have been focused on RDM.

So 1. You could make a 500 enhancing magic sch with little effort at the moment, but choose to not because you want nyzle isle gear and such for your red mage. You could just finish sch and make static, and walla PROFIT, then go do w.e on your sch. 2. You said yourself leveling a job for any event is stupid, but yet you leveled warrior to proc red....hmmmmmm
It seriously would offset you by one week to gear your sch sam or drk well and then you can enter neo nyzle with a good group eventually. Just do it man. You keep making excuses.
06-15-2012, 06:50 PM
Fupafighter

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You want to know something? I don't really know all to much about BLU, another of those jobs I leveled for procs, and you know what? You know nothing about RDM so shut up. :D

Obviously I do know alot about red mage, you know I played it very well at 90 cap, I read and take advice from others on how to play it to. You threw out a shit weaponskill and tp set to make blu look bad, but seriously gule leggings +1? You didn't even math your tp set for blu properly. Enkidu sublingar? Really? Blu is miles ahead of Rdm in terms of WS and melee damage. FACT. Proven. GO read up prothescar's thread on ffxiah.com. Then come talk about blu man.
06-15-2012, 06:51 PM
Demon6324236

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

Demon, I agree with you that NI shouldn't be so retardedly configured that RDM is useless (RDM mage or melee); however I can tell you that any BLU worth his salt will blow RDM out of the water. Sorry to break it to you.

Using magic I will agree, BLU magic is highly powerful and RDM has no way to come close to competing with it, melee I will disagree saying they are about equal, simply how I see it.

Honestly in any case you look at it its funny how they did it because BLU & SCH are the reasons why RDM is looked down on and obsolete as much as it is, SCH took everything from White & Black magic being on 1 job, and BLU took everything that is the hybrid-melee mage, including its gear.

Either way as it was said this is getting off topic, I was simply trying to explain how RDM could be of use in NNI, and also explained that due to buffing it would be impossible anyways. I might as well stop talking on here because it seems like 90% of the community is ignorant dickheads with the inability to see any point of view apart from their own.
06-15-2012, 06:52 PM
Fupafighter

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

Demon, I agree with you that NI shouldn't be so retardedly configured that RDM is useless (RDM mage or melee); however I can tell you that any BLU worth his salt will blow RDM out of the water. Sorry to break it to you.

The problem is that he doesn't know job roles. He is trying to force a job that isn't efficient at something, into a role that the game no longer accepts as relevant. It's kind of like apoc drk's thinking they're badass, when all the +2 dark running around with resolution are staring at him going "Really?".
06-15-2012, 06:55 PM
Fupafighter

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Using magic I will agree, BLU magic is highly powerful and RDM has no way to come close to competing with it, melee I will disagree saying they are about equal, simply how I see it.

Honestly in any case you look at it its funny how they did it because BLU & SCH are the reasons why RDM is looked down on and obsolete as much as it is, SCH took everything from White & Black magic being on 1 job, and BLU took everything that is the hybrid-melee mage, including its gear.

Either way as it was said this is getting off topic, I was simply trying to explain how RDM could be of use in NNI, and also explained that due to buffing it would be impossible anyways. I might as well stop talking on here because it seems like 90% of the community is ignorant dickheads with the inability to see any point of view apart from their own.

Ignorant? We understand job roles, how does that make us ignorant? I was stating facts, and you became biased and angry with me.
06-15-2012, 07:01 PM
Llana_Virren

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

The problem is that he doesn't know job roles. He is trying to force a job that isn't efficient at something, into a role that the game no longer accepts as relevant. It's kind of like apoc drk's thinking they're badass, when all the +2 dark running around with resolution are staring at him going "Really?".

In all fairness, SE has stated that they want(ed) RDM to be considered as a capable fighter class. They just don't know how to do it.

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