Job Manifesto discussion RE: Summoner

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

It has uses, Just need to think hard of them.

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My only suggestion would be to use this to grab the attention of many mobs to de-aggro off people.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

All those NMs that cast every single AoE debuff in the game, say hello to Carbuncle.

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Does it get rid of Doom? Cause hat would be even more worthwhile. >.>

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Originally Posted by Miera

Does it get rid of Doom? Cause hat would be even more worthwhile. >.>

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Considering that SE pretty much told White Mages "lolno" to having Cursna have better odds of removing Doom based on Healing Magic Skill, and Benediction doesn't even have a 100% chance of removing Doom (I mean, WTF?!), I highly doubt that Summoners will have anything better then an enhanced chance of removing it.

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Originally Posted by Miera

My only suggestion would be to use this to grab the attention of many mobs to de-aggro off people.

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This is the only thing I can see a main use of it, considering SE said all jobs adjustments will be focused on end game type of events etc.

Nice example would be Gurfurlur the Menacing adds

Also more curious to the actual AoE range of Shock Squall?

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Considering that SE pretty much told White Mages "lolno" to having Cursna have better odds of removing Doom based on Healing Magic Skill, and Benediction doesn't even have a 100% chance of removing Doom (I mean, WTF?!), I highly doubt that Summoners will have anything better then an enhanced chance of removing it.

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Ah, yeah guess it was asking for too much. :P

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Originally Posted by Miera

Ah, yeah guess it was asking for too much. :P

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Considering how much I hate Doom, I don't even care about game balance anymore. If a Summoner is what it takes to 100% remove it, I'll run with that.

I think what will probably happen is that, since it is on a pact timer, Summoners will have a better then single casting of Cursna change to remove Doom with this, but not 100% so that SE can teach Summoners the misery that White Mages have had to face for years.

Also, aside from on targets with multiple debuffs, Summoning Magic skill is probably going to have no affect on removal chances either. Also, it probably won't remove the effects of Enfeebling Songs, just like Esuna or Benediction can't. But all this is just my guess.

Yeah, I am pretty sure the new Ward will be as Limited as Spring Water is.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Considering how much I hate Doom, I don't even care about game balance anymore. If a Summoner is what it takes to 100% remove it, I'll run with that.

I think what will probably happen is that, since it is on a pact timer, Summoners will have a better then single casting of Cursna change to remove Doom with this, but not 100% so that SE can teach Summoners the misery that White Mages have had to face for years.

Also, aside from on targets with multiple debuffs, Summoning Magic skill is probably going to have no affect on removal chances either. Also, it probably won't remove the effects of Enfeebling Songs, just like Esuna or Benediction can't. But all this is just my guess.

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The range is 1-100 skill per 1 Enfeeble why would they change it to chance now to get rid of doom?

As it was quoted...

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Depending on the level of your summoning magic skill, the number of status ailments removed will vary.

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Yes it will vary based on your summoning skill. If chance is the case here, then this is right up the ball park with BP's like Ecliptic growl etc.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

Wonder if I can relive my days of swam kiting as a bard from EQ. lol

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It would be messy, but the hate followed by the long stun should give time to flee. I always hated retreat dual kiting.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

The range is 1-100 skill per 1 Enfeeble why would they change it to chance now to get rid of doom?

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IF this new ability gets rid of Doom, I wouldn't expect it to have more then a chance of doing so. The skill has only been said to affect the amount of debuffs removed, not the success rate on debuffs with non-100% remove rates (basically, Doom).

With regard to skill, I was referring to the fact that Healing Magic skill has nothing to do with removal rates, unless we misunderstood what SE said for the White Mage Q&A.

I'm not even saying that Summoner shouldn't be able to remove this debuff, just that based on past enfeebling removal effects, I wouldn't expect the new ability to be any better then Benediction at removing debuffs.