Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Avina

Uh, there is a little bit on the forum rules that talk about respecting one another. I think my point was rather that you can phrase your comments in ways that don't make you look like a complete troll. Poor little person? I like how you think game forums are some sort of hardcore cut-throat environment. Newsflash buddy: you are posting on a website devoted to a video game, getting all bent out of shape and offended because someone else shares a different opinion than you. Grow up, lol. It's a video game (although you may view it as more).

And by the way, its not your little amateur poetry night-whatever crap. Go hang out in a real bar sometime and talk to people like that, you might get some black eyes.

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I think the idea of raising the level minimum past the current minimum of level 30 to be a very bad idea. I disagree with the suggestion and do not wish for it to be implemented.

I do not believe leveling slowly in a six person party outside of Abyssea will allow someone to attain more skill than someone who does level from 30 up inside of Abyssea. This is especially true for someone who has leveled several jobs already and has a good idea of how to play the game.

I do not find the slow "traditional" experience points party to be enjoyable. It is a slow, boring slog, fighting through the same monsters over and over again. I would much rather be doing quests, missions, special events, or fighting Notorious Monsters with the little time I have to play FF11.

I am glad that Abyssea allows players of level 30+ to exp in the relatively painless 'key leech' method these days and I hope to see this method continue for some time.

Was that polite enough for you?

i suffered through the first 8 pages of this goatscrew of a thread, i severely regret it.

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Originally Posted by Avina

Uh, there is a little bit on the forum rules that talk about respecting one another. I think my point was rather that you can phrase your comments in ways that don't make you look like a complete troll. Poor little person? I like how you think game forums are some sort of hardcore cut-throat environment. Newsflash buddy: you are posting on a website devoted to a video game, getting all bent out of shape and offended because someone else shares a different opinion than you. Grow up, lol. It's a video game (although you may view it as more).

And by the way, its not your little amateur poetry night-whatever crap. Go hang out in a real bar sometime and talk to people like that, you might get some black eyes.

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Oh, wow...

Never ceases to amaze me. Respect has nothing to do with being nuturing towards people. Heck, it's not even about being nice to people. I pointed out the fact that your opinions are not so much opinions but authoritative demands. Sure you can argue semantics saying, "No no no my opinion is that Abyssea exp is bad." The problem is on the end of it you put a big AND then make the demand for everyone to abide by what you find fun and acceptable. You completely ignore that though and think I'm just being mean. You by definition are a troll you're adding nothing to the discussion and just starting pointless side arguments. Go away and stop trying to be an e-thug. If you have a real point I'll respond.

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Originally Posted by Orson

Oh, wow...

Never ceases to amaze me. Respect has nothing to do with being nuturing towards people. Heck, it's not even about being nice to people. I pointed out the fact that your opinions are not so much opinions but authoritative demands. Sure you can argue semantics saying, "No no no my opinion is that Abyssea exp is bad." The problem is on the end of it you put a big AND then make the demand for everyone to abide by what you find fun and acceptable. You completely ignore that though and think I'm just being mean. You by definition are a troll you're adding nothing to the discussion and just starting pointless side arguments. Go away and stop trying to be an e-thug. If you have a real point I'll respond.

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I missed where you got around to thinking we were talking about my point of view. I gave my point of view back at page 20, if you want to go and read it there you can. I'm pretty sure I say there, pretty clearly that I don't think it would necessarily be best to raise the entrance cap. I explain there some of the problems that I've seen, at least on Siren, that have resulted from this, but there is clearly a large part of the game's population that doesn't want to see this entrance cap raise.

How would I fix it? I'd give buffs to perks to exping outside of Abyssea. Conquest points/Imperial Standing/Allied Notes gear rewards haven't been updated for years. Put some solid, good gear that's useful for a level 90 and maybe people will come out and exp 6-man more. Doesn't hurt the people who want to Abyssea leech and might increase the amount of people who do these activities. Not saying this would guaranteed fix it, but bonuses such as this (if they were worthwhile enough) would probably help.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Was that polite enough for you?

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Works by me, lol. And I agree with you on many of the points.

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Originally Posted by Rubeus

personally, i don't see how soloing makes you any better a player than abyssea keying does.

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And it's about here that I see the post is going to go south...

Soloing means you actually have to play the job, or you aren't going to last long in any capacity...

I think that's what the OP is calling for here, as am I (but for a different reason).

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

One of the things I hate most about some people is that some of them like to THINK they're intelligent and even SOUND like they're intelligent... but they're really not. You're one of them, Starcade.

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Well, only because of the fact I don't bend over to the popular players (most of whom should be investigated -- some again...)

I fail to see how that has any correlation with your intelligence and self-awareness (or lack thereof).

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Now Abyssea leeching is an exploit. Okay.

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Anything is an exploit which is not what the developers intended. Such is one of the nasty side effects of the 1/22/09 Salvage bans.

Because (and I said this voluminously at the time) now you have to question not only what is legal, but whether Square-Enix is deliberately turning their back on certain players and allowing only certain players to do illegal conduct...

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'll not bother replying to your replies to me because it's fairly obvious you can't read,

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I didn't know the definition of "reading" was "agreeing with me (GreatGuardian)". Common malady on the Internet.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

and completely parroted back the exact reasons I said you were wrong.

I do find it funny, however, that you believe you have the right to dictate how FFXI should be played. As I recall, that is Square Enix and Square Enix alone's prerogative.

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Which the players OPENLY abrogate (to the large extent) and Square-Enix turns it's back on (unless they get called on the carpet enough and embarrassed into doing something about it).

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

When SE found out about Salvage duping, they declared it an exploit and had an emergency maint (and banned people who intentionally exploited it *instead* of telling GMs because it was hidden for so long).

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Baloney -- Square-Enix knew for 18 months.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

If this makes you feel that Square Enix is simply not enforcing their game properly and enabling bad players, it is your *Responsibility* to stop supporting that "Illegitimate" company and just quit. You're not really worth the lulz.

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I would, except that's what the cheaters and their supporters (and I'll be generous for this post alone to say I am not sure which you are) want.

Quit lying, Ilax.

If we didn't have a player-base no one would trust, this wouldn't be necessary.

You're not going to fix the problem the OP posted about until you deal with the player-base.

Square-Enix has CONTINUALLY trusted the player-base FAR too much. There's no derail here.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

And it's about here that I see the post is going to go south...

Soloing means you actually have to play the job, or you aren't going to last long in any capacity...

I think that's what the OP is calling for here, as am I (but for a different reason).

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wow. Just wow. [dev1003] how do i blacklist someone on forums?

Here's the thing, honey, since you just don't seem to get it yet.
1: the world doesn't revolve around your point of view.
2: the world is not black and white.
3: the illuminati don't run the world. there is no supermafia controlling all of life and its various transactions and interactions as we know it. the aliens really won't save you. your paranoia about the CIA really is JUST paranoia.
4: saints are not superhumans with an infallible moral backbone and a divine connection to a surreal force beyond comprehensibility. the pope is not the arbiter of justice and the goodness in humanity given flesh. sinners aren't demon-chimera abominations who've done nothing good for anyone in their lives. not everyone cheats to get what they want. you are not the SE gestapo who decide what cheating is and is not.

and for the moneyshot:
5: soloing does not in any capacity have anything to do with how you play endgame. neither does abyssea. neither one will make you more or less gil. neither one can be said to produce more quality without adequate testing and confirmation. you are not a superscientist. moreover, i can solo anything you name, even whm or brd, to 90 off of FoV 10 levels behind me and going very, very slowly. I am NOT going to play this if a little person is over my shoulder the ENTIRE time making sure YOUR idea of "fair play" is enforced the ENTIRE way through MY game career.

YOU need to get over your god complex before someone in "that HD thing outside the window with all the bad people my cultist mother told me to watch out for" slaps the dumb out of you. :)

have a nice... i can't even BRING myself to call it a life.