To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

In their defense I'm not reading any of eye's posts as they hurt my brain too much to bother, I've only read the responses to them and am able to get the gist of what s/he is saying enough so that I feel no need to cause myself brain damage.

Also I tend to overlook double/triple posters, at least rosina has a semi valid excuse(only very marginally...)

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Sure you did. You decided to shout for Under Observation, which is substantially more difficult than a similarly-situated BCNM with roughly equivalent rewards. Having done so, you lost.

This does not necessarily mean you shouldn't have done UO rather than RJ, but you absolutely shouldn't be coming here to blame book-burning and Abyssea and God knows what else for something that was ultimately your decision and thus your responsibility.

This is called "leadership".

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

You have a situation where you went into a BCNM with a total stranger whose skills and abilities are unknown to you and the fight is more likely to wind up in a failure than another, easier fight. All this for an extra 400k and a useless necklace?

There's a failure here alright, and it has nothing to do with the current leveling system.

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In case you both missed it, this isn't about the title of a BCNM, the jobs used in said BCNM, or the drops found in that BCNM. And as such, we can move the discussion back on track with my original point being that said participant took up the responsibility offered to him knowing full well what was to be expected of him and his character's abilities. What you two are proposing is it's my fault he wasn't prepared, and/or that this level of un-preparedness should have somehow been expected.

I don't know about you guys, but once upon a time, I only had to ask if members were familiar with the strategy of the run - not if one of my members' A-skills was severely under-skilled. But, here we are no less; The lot of you defending your stance at any cost. Quite a shame.

And Trisscar, just FYI, the Peacock Charm is completely sell-able and is far from the term 'useless'. How long have you been playing this game again?

Scaevola, just out of curiosity, what set-up did you normally run Under Observation with and why?

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

In case you both missed it, this isn't about the title of a BCNM, the jobs used in said BCNM, or the drops found in that BCNM. And as such, we can move the discussion back on track with my original point being that said participant took up the responsibility offered to him knowing full well what was to be expected of him and his character's abilities. What you two are proposing is it's my fault he wasn't prepared, and/or that this level of un-preparedness should have somehow been expected.

I don't know about you guys, but once upon a time, I only had to ask if members were familiar with the strategy of the run - not if one of my members' A-skills was severely under-skilled. But, here we are no less; The lot of you defending your stance at any cost. Quite a shame.

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So the ninja was not at fault for lying about his skill / knowledge. Abyssea forced him to do it. Okay, sounds plausible.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So the ninja was not at fault for lying about his skill / knowledge. Abyssea forced him to do it. Okay, sounds plausible.

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In all reality it probably has more to do with Gusgen & CN than Abyssea as the skill cap in question is only Lv40 (130?). The bigger point being if he had not the avenue to surpass what is essentially playing his job, then this would not have been an issue. Period.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

In all reality it probably has more to do with Gusgen & CN than Abyssea as the skill cap in question is only Lv40 (130?). The bigger point being if he had not the avenue to surpass what is essentially playing his job, then this would not have been an issue. Period.

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Except, as we continuely told you, leveling a job has zero impact on whether a person has learned their job or not. There is a world of difference between (say for example) blink tanking for an experience party and doing an Under Observation run.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Except, as we continuely told you, leveling a job has zero impact on whether a person has learned their job or not. There is a world of difference between (say for example) blink tanking for an experience party and doing an Under Observation run.

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For crying out loud will you please stop trying to derail the point I'm making. He knew exactly what he was supposed to do, what was expected of him, and he would have done it - but because his skill was so gimp, he could not. No amount of knowledge or effort on his part could change that!

It's like you people are now not even trying to follow what I'm saying; You're just making up your own arguments so you don't have to agree with me in any capacity.

Unpack that. If he'd leveled the classic way, he would have had his skill appropriately leveled?

That's a pretty big assumption!

If he'd leveled the classic way, he might not have had nin past 50 yet. Do you think a 50 nin would have spent hours skilling up yet, or do you think he would start doing that as he hit the cap?

Sorry Eyeballed, I don't think the nin would have been any better if you had it your way.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

In all reality it probably has more to do with Gusgen & CN than Abyssea as the skill cap in question is only Lv40 (130?). The bigger point being if he had not the avenue to surpass what is essentially playing his job, then this would not have been an issue. Period.

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But you were the healer in the situation and everyone died.

It's possible that an uncapped healing magic, lack of MP, lack of cure gear, or anything else, would have been your fault and would contribute to the fall of your run. Not one player does make a trio. I'd make sure those were on cap and then retry it again with a different ninja.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Unpack that. If he'd leveled the classic way, he would have had his skill appropriately leveled?

That's a pretty big assumption!

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Not even. I can't even believe you had the audacity to say what you just did. Listen to yourself - "A Lv99 leveling the 'old way' would not have an A-skill capped at Lv40 or near 130+ skill. Like I just said, by now you're all disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing and not even trying to hear anything. Not that you really were to start with.

What you're saying is that I'm assuming a BLM in 2005 could have gotten to Lv75 basically without nuking. Preposterous.