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06-14-2012, 03:30 AM
detlef

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Show of hands, how many people out there that don't have well geared Heavy DD jobs that wouldn't mind leveling DRK/WAR/MNK/SAM/DRG, then getting it an Emp/Relic, 4~6 hit build and good WS build to kill things fast, just so they can run NNI 1 time a day hoping for lucky floors just for a few pieces of gear for their WHM BLM RDM THF PLD BST BRD RNG NIN SMN BLU COR PUP or DNC?

This is exactly what I'm doing. I geared SCH to 501 enhancing and am 14/15 but I want some versatility. It's fun to level and gear something completely different from my other jobs. If you don't have a heavy melee job, why not level one? Try something new and experience the game in a different way.
06-14-2012, 03:35 AM
MarkovChain

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Originally Posted by Mittenz

so you want a video of someone winning without cheats but it cant be the video already posted of someone doing it and the video has to be someone getting unlucky rather than lucky with floors... yeah.... no. Its already been stated your not ment to get to 100 every time (in fact they said floor 60 is average) its been shown it can be done, a video was made and shown for it get over it and move on.

Whether its luck in jumps or luck in getting the pool no matter what they arent just going to give you a free pass if its going to be common to get to the top its going to be like a 1% drop rate on 1 of 15 armors that you and 5 others get to lot it out on and the rest of the time your going to get logs and at that point your better off just doing floor 80 runs anyway. Though you would then be on the forum complaining about logzul instead of nyzul. They crusade for balance if you think they are going to hand you this gear I suggest you go to bed because your dreams are the only place that is going to happen.

I'm sorry that's not what the morons have been claiming in the thread. They have been saying that you can win a large portion of the time if you don't suck and they insist on being well geared and so on. I'm sorry, but can you guyz show us how you average one minute per floor and clear 15 floors ? I'll point you out that the JP in the video already have 3 piece of nyzul, and all of a sudden he is clearing a F100 without cheats ? Why is he using powders boots and yet always finds the mob last or doesn't have to /check mobs to guess which is right ?

Way to many come troll here explaining that's they didn't cheat to get their stuff yet non is able to post a vid. It's funny...
06-14-2012, 03:40 AM
Zirael

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Show of hands, how many people out there that don't have well geared Heavy DD jobs that wouldn't mind leveling DRK/WAR/MNK/SAM/DRG, then getting it an Emp/Relic, 4~6 hit build and good WS build to kill things fast, just so they can run NNI 1 time a day hoping for lucky floors just for a few pieces of gear for their WHM BLM RDM THF PLD BST BRD RNG NIN SMN BLU COR PUP or DNC?

I'll pass. I play THF mostly (sometimes meeleRDM) and whenever I try jump on my DRK (the only heavy DD im interested in) it feels sooo strange not evading hits and taking 2 seconds between swings. I just plain prefer THF. At least Mandau THF is semi-viable in Nyzul, but RDM BRD WHM BLM SMN etc, in no way or form, unless they introduce Revitalizer, which would free up 1 SCH slot for another mage/support job.
06-14-2012, 04:25 AM
Dragoy

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Originally Posted by Mittenz

actually for the most part PS2 used to have a huge advantage of the mob loading faster on the system so your best claim bet was a ps2 and turbo controller. Up until they added the lockout timer that was a fairly reliable claim method. It had nothing to do with where you were, the PS2 was so dumbed down there was like no load time for models is my guess.

Okies, I had a feeling there might be something like that going on. This game was never released for the PS2 here, and I couldn't pay for the game until somewhere in 2006 I think it was, even though I got it in 2004 if memory serves, so I'm very likely to have missed any such period in time.

As for some of the suggestions for Nyzul Isle Investigation, alone the change of making the timer start after actually starting (i.e., after the 'lobby' area) would be very nice. I always wondered why it had to be like that in the first place. If it's to prevent 'hogging' the area, well, I think 5 or even 3 minutes in there would be fair enough, then the players would be automagically warped to a random place on Vana'diel.

I believe it was also mentioned that it would be good to have the timer stop (at least for a while) while the players are being moved to another area. Game-mechanics wasting our time like that is far from good design methinks.

Likewise, make the lamps function faster. Better yet, alter the 'order' ones in some way that it is less of a show-stopper. Eve better: remove them altogether ! !! !

I think some people suggested an auto-warp when the objective is complete. This would at least need a minute or so of time where the timer is not running, to give players time to open possible chests from something they just defeated. A sort of a breather, too. Foes not being fought with at the time could de-spawn, so the time could not be used to defeat 'extra stuff' even though I doubt that would be too bad of a side-effect anyways.

If things can not be made 'balanced' amongst the players who do not use cheats, and with those who do, name the target(s), and insert a blip into the radar where they are. Obviously those with no walls and the likes still have an edge, and while this is obviously not a fix for the issues, it would make it at least a bit more... balanced.

And in the end, apply it all to the charted regions of Nyzul Isle as well (yeah, I know it's very easy now, and not exactly 'needed' to be made more easy, but I'd still like it).

Oops, did I write that much. Just some quick thoughts while passing by (no complete suggestions really, just some ideas and things that I agree with).
06-14-2012, 06:30 AM
Demon6324236

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Show of hands, how many people out there that don't have well geared Heavy DD jobs that wouldn't mind leveling DRK/WAR/MNK/SAM/DRG, then getting it an Emp/Relic, 4~6 hit build and good WS build to kill things fast, just so they can run NNI 1 time a day hoping for lucky floors just for a few pieces of gear for their WHM BLM RDM THF PLD BST BRD RNG NIN SMN BLU COR PUP or DNC?

Incase people didn't catch on btw, this was a sarcastic question, I mean by all means reply because it is proving my point but all the same I don't want you to think this is actually how I think it should be, just pointing out thats how it is, and its bad.
06-14-2012, 12:50 PM
Rosalie

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Originally Posted by Zirael

I'll pass. I play THF mostly (sometimes meeleRDM) and whenever I try jump on my DRK (the only heavy DD im interested in) it feels sooo strange not evading hits and taking 2 seconds between swings. I just plain prefer THF. At least Mandau THF is semi-viable in Nyzul, but RDM BRD WHM BLM SMN etc, in no way or form, unless they introduce Revitalizer, which would free up 1 SCH slot for another mage/support job.

Revitalizer is already in there, it's just too rare to be a viable option.
06-14-2012, 01:23 PM
Vortex

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Originally Posted by Mittenz

so you want a video of someone winning without cheats but it cant be the video already posted of someone doing it and the video has to be someone getting unlucky rather than lucky with floors... yeah.... no. Its already been stated your not ment to get to 100 every time (in fact they said floor 60 is average) its been shown it can be done, a video was made and shown for it get over it and move on.

Whether its luck in jumps or luck in getting the pool no matter what they arent just going to give you a free pass if its going to be common to get to the top its going to be like a 1% drop rate on 1 of 15 armors that you and 5 others get to lot it out on and the rest of the time your going to get logs and at that point your better off just doing floor 80 runs anyway. Though you would then be on the forum complaining about logzul instead of nyzul. They crusade for balance if you think they are going to hand you this gear I suggest you go to bed because your dreams are the only place that is going to happen.

Why do you bother, he seems to think if it can't happen to him then it's not possible, he wants someone magicaly getting a win with 2-3 jump floors and alot of order lamp and other terrible luck runs. the video was shown and he's still denying you can't do it.

There is no help for this guy.
06-14-2012, 01:27 PM
Fupafighter

So what I got so far is 1. People don't want to experience the game and level another job for an event and possible events in the future and be more versatile. 2. They claim they cannot win, but in fact you can win given enough luck without cheats. 3. They don't enjoy the content so they want them to change the content so they can come jobs like lolrdm or something nowadays. Even if they did patch the lamps, people going jobs like red mage or nin would not clear the content mainly because you don't do enough damage. If they fix lamps and make the event easier, all that will happen is red mages and such get a 2% chance to clear the content with their horrible damage output and groups going 2 sch 4 heavy DD will be clearing the content in 15 days. That seems pointless. Aim for 80 25x if you can't get 100. They gave you that option if you're gimp.
06-14-2012, 02:04 PM
Demon6324236

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

So what I got so far is 1. People don't want to experience the game and level another job for an event and possible events in the future and be more versatile. 2. They claim they cannot win, but in fact you can win given enough luck without cheats. 3. They don't enjoy the content so they want them to change the content so they can come jobs like lolrdm or something nowadays. Even if they did patch the lamps, people going jobs like red mage or nin would not clear the content mainly because you don't do enough damage. If they fix lamps and make the event easier, all that will happen is red mages and such get a 2% chance to clear the content with their horrible damage output and groups going 2 sch 4 heavy DD will be clearing the content in 15 days. That seems pointless. Aim for 80 25x if you can't get 100. They gave you that option if you're gimp.

I choose to refuse the idea of doing one of 2 stupid options, yes. To 1, level, make an emp, get a good TP set, get a good WS set, all for a job I play only for the reason of doing this event to get gear for the job I really do care about. 2, to do something 25 times is outragous when in those 25 times I probably will get lucky enough anyways to hit the 100th floor anyways, if anything at most it should have been 5~10, not 25.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

2. They claim they cannot win, but in fact you can win given enough luck without cheats.

Also, again, luck should not be the focus thing that determines my ability to win. As for going RDM, did I say I wanted to go to this event on RDM? Lets look back shall we?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I am not saying necessarily my RDM should be able to do NNI (Don't get me wrong, I would like it to be able to, meleeing I tend to out damage most other LDDs and some HDDs and none of my other jobs beat it in damage) I'm saying something other than just 4HDDs & 2SCH should be able to. The fact they made it so limited is just flat out stupid, your excluding what is basically 75% of jobs from participation, I know everyone has the ease of getting anything they want to 99 in 1~5 days, but that doesn't make it right that everyone is be limited to 5 choices they might not even like or enjoy just to get some gear for a different job.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

3. They don't enjoy the content

Your right again, I don't enjoy the content, I find it rather an annoyance and irritation due to the fact that its luck based and I have nothing more than random numbers to tell me if this time I win, or if this time I get nothing at all. Far be it for me that I think a video game I play should be enjoyable, I guess I'm one weird ass person to even come up with something that crazy.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

red mages and such get a 2% chance to clear the content with their horrible damage output

Oh so you have seen a good RDM actually melee? Or are you going off the general idea that goes around that no RDM in the game can possible DD worth a damn because most people tend to melee in half mage gear? You melee in this and a RDM will do good, you melee in this, then your stupid if your trying to DD because duh, it wont happen well. I know RDM does not add up to a SAM or WAR, thats obvious because guess what, all light DDs get screwed, thats why no one brings them to VW or NNI really, because Heavy DDs are built for killing and get over all better gear for it, light DDs are more utility and support, something this game no longer uses or supports unless your a buffer for the real DDs that matter, or procing.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

They gave you that option if you're gimp.

You don't get it, and yet you admit its a factor. This has nothing to do with being gimp, yes, that will hurt your chances of getting to 100, but again, its based on... wait for it~
luck
gimps can get to 100 with that word, pros can get screwed by that word, and I, fucking hate that word.
06-14-2012, 05:08 PM
Llana_Virren

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

So what I got so far is ....

You didn't get anything because you're still running with the same ignorant opinion on NI that you started with.

Let's clarify a few things for you:

1. Luck needs to be reduced. Period. This isn't synthesis here, where "anyone can do it regardless of job". This is an environment in which only a fraction of the jobs in game are viable for. This is not because players are forcing these job combinations. The actual design gives players no other options.

2. Gimp parties have an equal chance to advance as +2 parties. Perhaps this perspective will help: Players with dat-mods and flee hacks do not have an unfair advantage. Players who do not use every available cheat, have an unfair disadvantage. The difference? NI is designed so that a standard player will fail 98% of the time, regardless of skill.

Flee hacked, dat-modded groups are not the "elite." They just have the best chance to win.
This forum has been trying to get this fact in players' heads, like yours:
Tier 1|Success Rate: 0-10?%: The "only real chance" group: Flee-hack, Dat-modded SCHx2, DDx4 setup
Tier 2|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "We're good, but we wont use hacks" group: SCHx2, DDx4 setup
Tier 3|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "We're good, but we're don't have a x2 SCH available" group: SCHx1, DDx4/5, RDM-maybe?
Tier 4|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "Have +1 but no Empy" group: The 10-80% player-base
Tier 5|Success Rate: 0-5%: the "Gimps" you refer to: The bottom 10% of player-base

Do you not see the problem there?

3. Just for the sake of trolling, I hope they some day add an event that drops only 100-peice currencies, HMPx50s, and the like, but only works for pet-jobs. So you can only go as BST, SMN, DRG or PUP. Anything damage dealt by the actual player instead of the pet instantly full-cure and rages the mobs. Any player without a pet out incurs a 500HP/tic poison effect. Oh, and you can only do this event once a RL-week. Let it also drop the items needed to "upgrade" jobs to their final stages, like Wizards, Magus, Mystic Knight, etc. Just to troll everyone who says you should "only go as specific jobs, unless you want to be gimp". That's what NI is. This is a "SCHx2, DDx4 or GTFO" event, which contradicts the "customization ethos" behind FFXI, and makes players unhappy.

Maybe there are a few (*cough, cheaters) who are happy with keeping NI the way it is. But the majority of players do not enjoy the way NI is configured, and a large number of these people are not "gimp" by any means. They simply do not subscribe to the notion that SCHx2, DDx4 should be the only acceptable way to enjoy the content.

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