Thread lock please? I've refused to reply to this thread and will not post my input as I feel it will only perpetuate this useless, livejournal-esque thread that continues to be bumped on the front page by its creator for over a month straight.
Edit: over a month, not 5 days
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05-14-2011, 05:46 AMGallus
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05-14-2011, 05:47 AMkingfury----------Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimble
Right, and I'm not saying that our feedback isn't used here. I'm asking of a Roadmap of sorts as to how it goes from the boards here to being considered for in-game content. I'm aware that our ideas are being bounced off the Devs, but that still doesn't make clear the process that occurs from that point. -
05-14-2011, 05:47 AMKimble
You aren't going to get that and no company will show that, ever.
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05-14-2011, 05:48 AMkingfury------------Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallus
/stagger You yourself just bumped the thread up >< -
05-14-2011, 05:49 AMkingfury--------Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimble
Hold on, let me find the text to copy here in regards to what the Devs are going to created for our future feedback to new content. I'll paste it here.
copied from the development roadmap:
okay. They want our feedback. They're going to make a special place for it.
July – September 2011: Test Server to Go Live
In conjunction with the test server, subforums dedicated to hosting player feedback will be established in the official forums, the two combining to mark the birth of a new development cycle as outlined below.
1) Content under development
2) Content announced via the test server and official forums
3) Testing
A) Player testing and feedback
B) Testing by Development and QA teams
4) Fine-tuning
Balancing and debugging based on the findings of step 3; test server updated
(*Repeat from step 2)
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05-14-2011, 05:51 AMKimble
Honestly, I dont know why you NEED to be told. They read the forums, take ideas they think they are good, give them to the development team at meetings, etc, and they discuss what is good and bad and what they can and cant do, what more do you really need to know?
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05-14-2011, 06:04 AMKimble
Did I ever say they didnt want our feedback? All I said is they arent going to "road map it" and give you like a step by step process of our the feedback is processed like you are asking for.
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05-14-2011, 06:06 AMHFX7686What for? Having them in the game is good enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfury
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05-14-2011, 06:08 AMkingfury-------------Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimble
That our ideas truly helped. If you're passionate about seeing change in this game, then you won't stop posting suggestions. However, rewarding your community of players that spend time and effort both playing and giving feedback with the knowledge that their voice is truly being heard at the creation table is tremendously powerful, and it will keep the player's moral super high.
Kimble if you post a suggestion that you feel very strongly about, it will be important to you to know if your feedback counted. Surely you agree with this. -
05-14-2011, 06:14 AMShoko
Do you really need validation for your Gyms idea? You'd have to be an idiot to not see some small aspect of your idea was added to Grounds of Valor, but you shouldn't act like your idea made this come to fruition totally (as they had already state a loooong time ago they wanted to extend Fields of Valor in some manner). Just be happy something similar came along and move on.
The cool people don't need to have validation to feel special that they made a difference in something. -
05-14-2011, 06:17 AMKimble
Again, having more than one ??? for NMs, moving timed spawns NMs KIs into gold chests, adding +2 items to visions areas, all those CLEARLY show our feedback and suggestions are being taken seriously.
Heck, even them adding new mobs outside of abyssea for those who wanted to exp outside got what they wanted (kinda, they have updated it with OUR FEEDBACK to try and correct the ssiue)
I dont know why you need to be bluntly told to have proof. -
05-14-2011, 06:29 AMkingfury
I don't HAVE to be told ^^ I said it would be really cool to hear the Devs say "Thanks to player feedback, we've decided to implement this functionality". That's all I'm saying.
There's no downside to letting your players know their ideas and opinions were in fact used during the planning of content. None at all. But the upsides are tremendous and long lasting in the minds of that very community knowing their thoughts made a difference. -
05-14-2011, 06:40 AMkingfury--------------Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoko
/sigh Again... Post 101 -
05-14-2011, 06:44 AMHFX7686Yeah, but the rest of us can tell when our suggestions have been heeded because they are implemented. We don't need more than that. Why do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfury
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05-14-2011, 06:45 AMKimble
Ok, you asked, you dont need to respond to every single post thats made, you asked what you want it, leave it alone at that. The thread isnt going to stop if you respond to every post.
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05-14-2011, 06:48 AMShoko
Theres no need to thank the player base for every idea that becomes part of the game, no matter how big or small-- these forums were for the most part created for the very reason of bouncing ideas back and forth to bring about a more enjoyable experience. However, at the end of the day, once the devs incorporate the idea, it becomes part of their intellectual property, and they reserve no right to have to point out any one person that gave fruition to the idea in game.
Personally, you were acknowledged once already for the idea itself. That in and of itself should be a big deal to you if you're looking for recognition.
Edit: Ironically, the very next post below the post you just linked me to also explains what I just said. -
05-14-2011, 07:03 AMkingfury----------Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimble
lol ^^ I don't mind conversation based on my comments at all, it's the flame posts I'd like to see "stop". -
05-14-2011, 07:05 AMBorkBorkBorkKing seriously how can you post something like this not seeing your seeking validation of some kind so that it can be seen by everyone. It'd be safe to say from the responses that it appears that's what your doing while trying to hide it behind "others would really want to know". Just be honest and say you want to know if your idea had any input and stop being passive aggressive. Your getting all this criticism because you can't seem to handle someone pointing out what it appears you are doing whether these are your intentions of not.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfury
99% of the horrible ideas on this forum are ignored, yours was one of the verv very few that was responded to. Why the need for more? -
05-14-2011, 07:34 AMkingfury
@BorkBorkBork:
I'll let your post be the last that I respond to in regards to this point for fear that I'm gonna keep having to repeat myself endlessly ^^;
Check the OP if you missed my concluding response to the thread topic. I've expressed my gratitude and happiness for the fact that the functionality has finally made it to the game. That part of this thread was over with when I played GoV and posted my findings within the Op. I'm more than satisfied that the enhanced skill ups made it to the game, and I'm not asking for any more than that in regards to my Gyms thread.
The second half of this thread has made it to where it is based on all the positive and negative ASSUMPTIONS that have been laced throughout the life of this thread. I'm not asking for ANY PERSONAL recognition whatsoever, and this will be the last time I'll say it. I've never asked for such, and my request for a clearer understanding of the feedback -> Dev Teams content planning process doesn't ask for such either.
If you don't agree that the Devs should share such things with us, that's fine. I'm only making a suggestion after all. I've made my points like Kimble stated, so if you need any clarification at this point, it's all here. Thanks and /take care -
05-14-2011, 08:21 AMBorkBorkBork
oh king its hardest to look at ourselves in the mirror senior.
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05-14-2011, 10:00 AMKhiinroye
This whole thread has gone way off topic and needs to be locked.
As to the request for SE to tell us when they used user feedback:
We KNOW what feedback we suggested. People have asked for improved skillups for years. People have asked for more sources of TH -- we got bounty shot and TH in grounds of valor. Abyssea port NPCs in the other cities? We got them, but wait? Heaven's Tower? Ok, we'll put them in Port Windurst, but those can't display bastion info. That's good enough for us to know that SE is listening to our suggestions.
Some advice for Kingfury, albeit a bit harsh:
You many not mean to look like you're seeking validation, but going on and on about wanting SE to state directly that a feature resulted from user feedback comes off extremely strongly as "I want SE to say that this was from my idea." We don't know what you're thinking; we can only extrapolate from what you show us. If everyone thinks you're sounding like you want validation, then you probably sound like you want validation, and need to think more carefully about what you're saying. From the layout of your quite large sig, it's 90% gyms of vanadiel, which comes across as shoving it down our throats.
As an example:
This seems like you're trying to claim majority credit for getting the enhanced skillups, something that's been requested in many, many threads, especially the abyssea ones. Again, you may not be trying to do this, but this is what you appear to be doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingfury
The "bumping" of the thread isn't referring to posting in it when its at the top of the forum. They are talking about you bumpimg your thread after two weeks of inactivity, then, after it went inactive for another two weeks, bumping it again. That is called necrobumping--going into a thread that has been dead for a while, and then posting in it again to bring it back to the top of the forum. You could have made a new thread to discuss Grounds of Valor, what treasures have been found in the boxes, which ops are easiest / conveniently placed, and simply commented that you're glad they have an option to increase skillups. Instead, you necrobumped your thread for the second time, which brings back the whole "OMG GYMS OF VANADIEL" in the topic. Furthermore, you mentioned Gyms three times in that post. This comes across as seeking attention.
Know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em. It's time to fold 'em and let this thread die and not be resurrected by forum necromancy.