[dev1289] Job Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Singforu

No it's not. You people want to just stand on the sidelines with your pet doing all the work. Wake up, SE doesn't want you to play that way. SE wants you to stand right next to your pet and fight along side it. You only consider it broken because you don't want to play it the way SE intends for you to play it. Get over it.

A BLM could not play the job the way SE intends for it to be played and melee without casting a single nuke. Is his DPS going to take a hit... you betcha. Play BST the way SE intends for you to play it and stop whining.

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Do me a favor, please - stop posting a while and have the respect to try and see why we're having issues and go play BST now. Do something simple like Demolition Squad BCNM and try to use spur and ready moves from behind the BST nm so you don't get charmed.

Spur needed the BST to stand IN FRONT of the BST-NM we were using BST to avoid being charmed by.... That is idiotic, you cant even stand in BACK of the mob your fighting to use SPUR and READY moves?

Please, respectfully, stop posting when you have no idea why the job is broken now. We can adapt to a lot, when things are not broken like they are presently. If this were just an issue if needing to be engaged, it would at least leave BST usable for a limited range of things. Right now its just idiotic and useless. SE needs to repair the damage and offer an apology after they restore us to being a playable job.

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Originally Posted by Jile

Do me a favor, please - stop posting a while and have the respect to try and see why we're having issues and go play BST now. Do something simple like Demolition Squad BCNM and try to use spur and ready moves from behind the BST nm so you don't get charmed.

Spur needed the BST to stand IN FRONT of the BST-NM we were using BST to avoid being charmed by.... That is idiotic, you cant even stand in BACK of the mob your fighting to use SPUR and READY moves?

Please, respectfully, stop posting when you have no idea why the job is broken now. We can adapt to a lot, when things are not broken like they are presently. If this were just an issue if needing to be engaged, it would at least leave BST usable for a limited range of things. Right now its just idiotic and useless. SE needs to repair the damage and offer an apology after they restore us to being a playable job.

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You think that's bad, try BST in domain invasion. One of the dragons or Lamia does an AOE attack/spell and your pet runs off after it. So you have to spam "fight" every 10 seconds (animation delay yay!) and hope it doesn't die before it comes back to you, or get hit with another AOE and run away again because you can't cure it or tell it to kill whatever it's after unless you're sitting on it's back. It's completely broken.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

You think that's bad, try BST in domain invasion. One of the dragons or Lamia does an AOE attack/spell and your pet runs off after it. So you have to spam "fight" every 10 seconds (animation delay yay!) and hope it doesn't die before it comes back to you, or get hit with another AOE and run away again because you can't cure it or tell it to kill whatever it's after unless you're sitting on it's back. It's completely broken.

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This...so much this.

With what they did on BST, I don't want to imagine what will happen if they did that to other jobs. Oh!


wait for it....

"We want mages to take risk of being there with their melees, so we're reducing the range of Cures, Enhancing Magic, and Elemental Magic. Rangers attack from a distance with bows/guns/crossbows, but we feel they are classified as Front Line Jobs, so we're lowering the range of Ranged attacks and Ranged Weapon Skills so Rangers can take a risk (Oh that also affects corsair too, because Quick draw range will be reduced!). We want PUP to choose a role while fighting so we're reducing the range of their pet abilities. We feel that DRGs should learn to protect their wyverns more, so we're increasing the recast of Call Wyvern to 30 minutes"

If that was true they would have done more, by now, to make BLMs more adapt in meleeing with Scythes. They wouldn't make changes to mages like that because out of any job classes, that would make absolutely no sense. So much saltiness. It would be funny if they reduced the range of cures, because that would be a change that makes no sense. Not sure when many people actually joined XI but most of the jobs/job types had plenty of changes over the years, especially from the early days. Your "Rangers" example the big change was when they introduced the "sweet spot", which some times put you in danger based on the content at the time.

Don't worry, I'm sure when they reset it people will be back to wanting BST only burns. (Kind of the reason they maimed it in a sweeping matter to begin with.)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Don't worry, I'm sure when they reset it people will be back to wanting BST only burns. (Kind of the reason they maimed it in a sweeping matter to begin with.)

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BST only burns exist since long time, because they got excluded of parties, and only could team up with each other. Now they became popular and we got the opposite, most other jobs got excluded. It's not too hard to solve, some rolls and songs need to be adjusted, simplified, so that they give buffs to player's and pets.
On higher content BST parties have tank and healer, Sinister Reign e.g., it would be no problem to invite a melee. And most people would do it, i think.
So the key to an intelligent adjustment are the support jobs and not taking away essential parts of jobs.

I think SE made a translation error. When people asked for bst to be fixed they didn't mean for you to cut off our mog bonanza balls. Who else hated getting those balls instead of an actual prize?

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It would be funny if they reduced the range of cures, because that would be a change that makes no sense.

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That logic didn't stop them from doing what they did to BST.

As far as I'm concerned, anything can happen now, for better or for worse.

BST should be using their axes in my opinion, but there's plenty of situations where that's not feasible, and this adjustment really hurts. I can only hope our JP brethren are just as upset about this. They're probably our only hope for getting SE to re-evaluate the range.

Increase the charge timers. Tone down the Ready damage. I'll take either, or both. I'd rather use "Chocoburger" and eat my pet to recover HP as a 1 hour than play tag like this.

I don't even do endgame activities, but right now, anything beyond Job Points is just aggravation. What am I supposed to do now when I'm in trouble and I use Unleash? Go stand in front of the NM for a minute? I can't even stand behind them. Good grief.

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Originally Posted by Arthos

BST only burns exist since long time, because they got excluded of parties, and only could team up with each other. Now they became popular and we got the opposite, most other jobs got excluded. It's not too hard to solve, some rolls and songs need to be adjusted, simplified, so that they give buffs to player's and pets.
On higher content BST parties have tank and healer, Sinister Reign e.g., it would be no problem to invite a melee. And most people would do it, i think.
So the key to an intelligent adjustment are the support jobs and not taking away essential parts of jobs.

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I'm sorry, but I really have to address this comment. The Beastmaster strategy that people are complaining about HAS EXISTED SINCE BC40 (mandragoras) was won by 6-BSTs in 2003. It is unfair and unacceptable that SE has nerfed the job because this strategy has works in the most recent content.

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Originally Posted by Gwydion

I'm sorry, but I really have to address this comment. The Beastmaster strategy that people are complaining about HAS EXISTED SINCE BC40 (mandragoras) was won by 6-BSTs in 2003. It is unfair and unacceptable that SE has nerfed the job because this strategy has works in the most recent content.

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Think it's more the mass of BST setups, with or without support, which makes them complaining. And their high rate of success. To be honest, i don't like it too. I enjoyed BST much more when it wasn't a bandwagon job.

The game is already with 1 foot in its grave and SE still listen to the minority that only feels joy on others misery, asking for nerfs. /Slowclap to SE. This is the last game i play from you.

And to all of you that spent 13 years crying NERF, all i have to say is enjoy the last bit of blood of FFXI till the official ones are shutdown. You got what you wanted. You won. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

The game is already with 1 foot in its grave and SE still listen to the minority that only feels joy on others misery, asking for nerfs. /Slowclap to SE. This is the last game i play from you.

And to all of you that spent 13 years crying NERF, all i have to say is enjoy the last bit of blood of FFXI till the official ones are shutdown. You got what you wanted. You won. Congratulations.

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This is just it. With content updates ending we should be maintaining jobs that can clear lower-difficulty content solo, not nerfing them to the ground. Let alone leaving people miserable because their favourite job is broken.

What really guts me is this did this to BST then gave BLU a once every five minute embrava in mighty guard. I play BLU too and I love it but it just seems cruel to completely ruin one job while superbuffing others.

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Originally Posted by Olor

This is just it. With content updates ending we should be maintaining jobs that can clear lower-difficulty content solo, not nerfing them to the ground. Let alone leaving people miserable because their favourite job is broken.

What really guts me is this did this to BST then gave BLU a once every five minute embrava in mighty guard. I play BLU too and I love it but it just seems cruel to completely ruin one job while superbuffing others.

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Why do you think some of the most vocal people who wanted BST nerfs are BLU lovers? And who, despite their job being OP as all hell, would cry and wail and gnash their teeth if it was brought down to where it 'should' be?

It's like with Rudra's Storm all over again.

It's worse than the rudras Nerf. At least the impacted jobs on that are still playable.

This Nerf is more along the lines of taking daggers and swords away from those jobs and then forcing them to use h2h without raising skill and also requiring them to be blinded and paralyzed first to be able to engage.

It's that crippling.

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Originally Posted by Jile

It's worse than the rudras Nerf. At least the impacted jobs on that are still playable.

This Nerf is more along the lines of taking daggers and swords away from those jobs and then forcing them to use h2h without raising skill and also requiring them to be blinded and paralyzed first to be able to engage.

It's that crippling.

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I meant that in terms of "we're taking something that isn't broke, has never been broke, and, if it really is broke, is broken because of design choices we have made recently, and nerfing it, because a few very vocal SAMs, er, I mean, BLUs, had a problem with it."

The problem with Rudra's Storm was letting people unlock the Empyrean WSes for use on any weapon. Had that not happened, we would not have had enough people making big, but infrequent, numbers to piss off enough people who actually do more damage but get jealous of big numbers to be as vocal as they were to get it nerfed.

We're in agreement Machini, I'm just saying this Nerf is profoundly worse.

Sorry for triple posting, but I have had people complain about me doing 99999 damage double darkness off of Rudra's Storm, post nerf, when all it took was 350k in food, a GEO giving me fury and frailty, a COR giving me Chaos Roll, me having a couple levels Box Step on the mob, having Climactic Flourish active, having capped skillechain bonus, being at attack speed cap, the mob having Dia II on it, and (I think) the mob being weak to at least one of the elements in the Darkness skillchain.

Oh, did I mention I have 1200 job points spent on DNC, too? Got that two days ago. Already up to nearly 140 points stored, 'cause I'm still doing cap parties to get LS mates job points.

So having more than five finishing moves stored, all those buffs on, doing an Evisceration, then a Pyrrhic Kleos, then getting off 2-3 attack rounds, doing a Reverse Flourish for 1350 TP, which generally brings me up to ~2200 TP, doing Climactic Flourish, and then doing a ~2200 TP Climactic Rudra's Storm to close a double darkness is 'unfair'.

I mean, sure I can kill one of the new Apex Efts that have like 140kHP in about 30 seconds. I can do that once every minute and a half. Just ignore that I have maybe 450 or 500 million gil worth of gear (counting the mythic), a lot of which is upgrades after a month long break when I broke down and finally decided to spend gil, that it took two separate jobs buffing me, two jobs debuffing the mob, that I have 1200 job points (for upgrades to Climactic Flourish, to deal more damage, and Reverse Flourish, to get more TP for that closing Rudra's Storm), or how much I've spent on food, or that I can't always consistently do that (the efts are fond of stunning me), or that it's often better damage for me to just spam single darknesses. Oh, or that this requires me to be the only person doing WSes, unless the people with me are willing to coordinate WSes and open for me, in which case it's not just me doing all that damage anymore, and that that's actually more damage (since it's faster for two people to gain TP than one).

None of that matters to 'these people'. All that matters is a super buffed, super geared mythic dancer can do more damage at capped hit rate with AM3 up and Atoyac offhand using multiple job abilities and requiring a decent number of buffs, than their Nene SAM can do just autoattacking and spamming Fudo.

[edit] Forgot the important part: Or that a super buffed, super geared PARTY of beasts can do high damage.

The biggest difference is the Rudra's nerf didn't take away a style of play that had existed since the job began. It took away part of a buff. And the second biggest difference is Rudra's is still very good. BST, not so much.

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Originally Posted by machini

The problem with Rudra's Storm was letting people unlock the Empyrean WSes for use on any weapon. Had that not happened, we would not have had enough people making big, but infrequent, numbers to piss off enough people who actually do more damage but get jealous of big numbers to be as vocal as they were to get it nerfed.

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The problem is people who care more about what other jobs can do than enjoying the game.

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Originally Posted by kylani

The problem is people who care more about what other jobs can do than enjoying the game.

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This. Seriously.

If people have a problem and they don't like the range for BST in this September 15, 2015 update. Than you be please to know that you must mention the name Akihiro Matsui in your post comment because he is the whole reason why this happen. Akihiro Matsui was the same person who nerf Rudra's storm and the skill chain properties. At least he let everyone know ahead of time on what he was doing. When he lower the BST range he said Nothing! nothing at all. He has never play BST because if he did than he knows it doesn't make sense for a BST to be close NM keeping pet alive as well as master alive and who in the fight mind would want to melee along with PET which means feeding NM more TP for dangerous situation "No thank you". Trust are unreliable at this point since they can only be summon once in some content.

Please everyone support BST they need everyone help right now even if you hate it. Try to understand that BST is a solo job and they exist for a very long long time in game. Please do not let the Legend of BST solo for 12 years die out now because FFXI will never make sense again. Akihiro Matsui doesn't know so if we all support we might get range back for bst. The core the problem in FFXI is always been the NM and many NM need adjustment so other job can have a chance.

If Akihiro Matsui decide to go forward with this melee range for BST than he should allow the pet augmented item to work for master as well. So I am praying and hoping he change his mind. :/

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When he lower the BST range he said Nothing! nothing at all.

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Actually they told Japanese players well in advance but never translated it until much later. JP players complaining about BST is why it was nerfed. Pretty much everything the devs tell us over here is translated from JP forums. They don't listen to us.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Actually they told Japanese players well in advance but never translated it until much later. JP players complaining about BST is why it was nerfed. Pretty much everything the devs tell us over here is translated from JP forums. They don't listen to us.

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Not entirely true, as there are some topics (Mostly the "We don't have any plans" ones) where we get a response that weren't brought up on the JP side.

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Originally Posted by Singforu

No it's not. You people want to just stand on the sidelines with your pet doing all the work. Wake up, SE doesn't want you to play that way. SE wants you to stand right next to your pet and fight along side it. You only consider it broken because you don't want to play it the way SE intends for you to play it. Get over it.

A BLM could not play the job the way SE intends for it to be played and melee without casting a single nuke. Is his DPS going to take a hit... you betcha. Play BST the way SE intends for you to play it and stop whining.

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I am not going to stand in front of the mob, BST is not a TANK. We also have no control over where our pet will engage. 5 yalms is too close. End of discussion.

http://i.imgur.com/jpS4sRJ.jpg

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Originally Posted by Olor

Actually they told Japanese players well in advance but never translated it until much later. JP players complaining about BST is why it was nerfed. Pretty much everything the devs tell us over here is translated from JP forums. They don't listen to us.

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That is not cool at all. In fact here in Odin i know a really good player who use a lot of BST battle strategy and they are JP. Lots of JP use BST battle strategy during JP hour and there is nothing wrong with it. For them to not translate for the NA player is so wrong in many ways. They also post it on update but they didn't say how much the range was reduce either. It was all blank until you log on and play BST than you be OMG!!!

So we all need to stick around this forum and support BST to the end. =)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Not entirely true, as there are some topics (Mostly the "We don't have any plans" ones) where we get a response that weren't brought up on the JP side.

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Yeah I heard that a lot from Grekumuh. :/

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Originally Posted by Singforu

What do we have here:

Kainstryder posted in regards to the new unity behemoth:


So despite that huge aoe damage from this level 135 NM, they still killed it while staying in range.

So it's not that BST is broken, you complainers are just bad players.

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Illogical assumption from a lack of information.

It could be a stretch to say it makes the job "unplayable" but it doesn't mean that players aren't experiencing major frustration and inconvenience for no good reason. The change was unnecessary and only serves to tick people off.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Illogical assumption from a lack of information.

It could be a stretch to say it makes the job "unplayable" but it doesn't mean that players aren't experiencing major frustration and inconvenience for no good reason. The change was unnecessary and only serves to tick people off.

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Beast Master was insanely powerful with their super cricket out. I was watching them slaughter normal difficulty avatars faster than a full group and clearing an entire screen full of incredibly toughs in a matter of seconds. So unless they have decreased the power of your pets since I've been away: something did need to happen. They were over-powered. There is just no denying that. Having that kind of damage coupled with the survivability of your pet while being able to stand safely out of the range of area attacks was God-mode. That's why everyone and their mother started leveling a beast master.

Also: every other melee dps on this game faces the dilemma of being killed by area attacks. This is nothing new: so it seems to me from reading this that Beast Master is just having to deal with the same crap every other melee class on this game has to.

I don't play Beast Master. Maybe the range is too small. I'm not saying it isn't. But some changes were necessary.

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Originally Posted by Olor

The biggest difference is the Rudra's nerf didn't take away a style of play that had existed since the job began. It took away part of a buff. And the second biggest difference is Rudra's is still very good. BST, not so much.

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Pre-nerf BST was not actually "the style of play that had existed since the job began" at all. The original BST had jugpets that died in a couple of hits from any strong mob, and their pet healing was on reward timer without mulsum spam. The original job was all about charm-chaining, the only times you used jugpets were if all charm mobs were down, or if you were in an easy bcnm. My first Maat win was on BST in 2005 and I paid a fortune for a single Panzer jug, the pet still died in short time lol. Jugpets were super weak back then, before stout servant.

So the original BST "style of play" was never about calling these new Siege Engine pets and just spamming mulsums. Reward was long-range because the master rarely meleed any seriously powerful mobs, most BST stood far away from those mobs, with a light/earth staff equipped, and SS/blink up lol. So it made sense for BST to have long range remote-mode pet commands.

But the job mechanics changed in Aby, no charm pets available, and BST was encouraged to be more melee. We understand that SE have tried to find the right balance since then, because the original BST job was turned upside down in 2010, and since that time we got ilvl pets, which again affected the job balance.

I can see why SE needed to rebalance BST again, it was never designed to be played the way it has been recently. But I also agree with many posters here, that it is ridiculous to have such a tiny reward range, that if you are on other side of the mob you can't cure your pet. That range is too short, clearly.

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Beast Master was insanely powerful with their super cricket out

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Well, if they're insanely powerful with their super cricket whatever thingy, then why would they not adjust that instead of adjusting pet command range?

Your argument doesn't have anything to do with the change that was made, and the change that was made does nothing to address the problem you're alleging exists. Even if it is a problem (and I'm not conceding that it is), the change SE made does nothing to fix it.

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This is nothing new: so it seems to me from reading this that Beast Master is just having to deal with the same crap every other melee class on this game has to.

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BST is barely more of a melee class than the other pet jobs. It gets some more heavy armor gear options (though most of those options don't help your pet), but it's still not super sturdy like a PLD or WAR. Still, from the screenshots ive seen people post, and from comments ive seen here and in game, the range was reduced to so short that you can easily be in melee range of the mob and not able to command your pet. If they want to make it so you can't be standing in absolute safety and play the job like SMN, well, I can sort of understand that (I don't agree but I understand), but the change was so drastic that you have to be litreally glued to your pet's behind in order to give it commands.

PUP generally melees with its pet and they weren't affected by this- another reason why the change makes no sense. This change might not be the end of the world, but it simply causes aggravation for no good reason. JP players have already testified they can still kick butt with BST, so obviously the change didn't achieve it's intended purpose.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

BST is barely more of a melee class than the other pet jobs. It gets some more heavy armor gear options (though most of those options don't help your pet), but it's still not super sturdy like a PLD or WAR.

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I liked and agreed with your whole post, but I snipped this line because it is particularly salient. I think you convey the confusing messages on the job change well.

For six years, we played BST as a mage job. I was on a BST-only LS on Remora, and the LS chat was always talking about MP-gear, how to get star-necklace from quest, how great lamia-mantle+1 was for MP, etc.etc. When you started levelling BST, the first thing they told you was "level WHM sub." You had to actually level WHM37 before you even started levelling your BST. Nobody levelled WAR or other melee subs, and most people played BST/WHM full-time, with occasional BST/NIN in events, but that was only for shadows, not the dual-wield.

BST was built around this idea that the master is super-squishy, and out in the wilderness when you solo or low-man, you needed /WHM and you need as much MP gear as you can get. Obviously the arrival of /DNC changed all jobs to a certain extent, and the level 75+ era changed BST itself completely, and ILVL gear made all jobs quite uniformly Robocop. But underlying it was really that the beastmaster was a kind of wilderness druid, a mage job with axes and a natural affinity with all wild beasts. There was never a suggestion that this job was a front-line soldier type of job, and in the 2004~2010 years the BST job was actually a master of white magic, carefully using MP and spells to stay safe while the charmed beasts did the fighting almost out of visual range.

I think this is the problem, the job has changed so much, and the ilvl game is so different, that the original core nature of jobs have struggled to adapt. Sometimes SE will try to help jobs adapt, by changing them stronger/weaker, but what we are left with is some of the original jobs trying to play outside of their comfort zone.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Beast Master was insanely powerful with their super cricket out. I was watching them slaughter normal difficulty avatars faster than a full group and clearing an entire screen full of incredibly toughs in a matter of seconds. So unless they have decreased the power of your pets since I've been away: something did need to happen. They were over-powered. There is just no denying that. Having that kind of damage coupled with the survivability of your pet while being able to stand safely out of the range of area attacks was God-mode. That's why everyone and their mother started leveling a beast master.

Also: every other melee dps on this game faces the dilemma of being killed by area attacks. This is nothing new: so it seems to me from reading this that Beast Master is just having to deal with the same crap every other melee class on this game has to.

I don't play Beast Master. Maybe the range is too small. I'm not saying it isn't. But some changes were necessary.

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This change is like reducing the fuel tank of a super car because it goes too fast.
It sure did not change the fact that we still have the super cricket and can still do what we did before. I still laugh at all the melee trying to do as much damage as i do. You all still suck compared to a well geared BST.

The only thing the change did was make it annoying to play the job. So annoying that it is not fun any more. I settle for a 10 yalm range, but not this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Maybe the range is too small.

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No maybe about it, I don't mind the change on the range (as such), but it's way too small, should have been at least double.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

I still laugh at all the melee trying to do as much damage as i do. You all still suck compared to a well geared BST.

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Comments like that is one of the reasons people called for a nerf in the first place.

I don't know about you guys, but ever since the nerf I've lost a lot of interest in FFXI and started playing Elite: Dangerous more. I spend, maybe, an hour in FFXI now and the rest in Elite: Dangerous. It's become a more fun game now. How wrong is that?!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

... so obviously the change didn't achieve it's intended purpose.

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Yes it did. Already the bandwagon players have moved on from it and you are seeing the truly skilled players that love the job adapt and overcome. Pretty sure I stated that this was going to happen and it is. It exactly why we don't see BLU spam. The Reward to Power ratio is high but only if you really know the job and invest the time to understand and maximize it. Again this was the perfect solution and its having the desired effect.

This change has made BST completely unenjoyable and virtually unusable. This change was completely unnecessary and needs removed. I'm not a bandwagon player. This change makes me want to unsubscribe all three of my accounts and move on. A dmg decrease on pets for non RME could have been an easy first step. This change has all but deleted BST from the game. SE, please fix this egregious and unnecessary mistake.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Well, if they're insanely powerful with their super cricket whatever thingy, then why would they not adjust that instead of adjusting pet command range?

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That's a good question.

Perhaps that would have been the better route to take. My point to you is that some changes were necessary. Rather or not this was the right change is dubious. But something did have to happen. The job was way out of whack. Those of you acting like this job was just fine the way it was are kidding yourselves.

What these changes do is force the Beast Master to get up close and take incoming damage. That's what it was intended to do. It was too powerful to have them sitting back out of harm's way tanking some of the most powerful notorious monsters in the game with their pets while doing crazy damage to boot. Any fair minded person who is not bias because they play the job should be able to admit that.

Again: rather or not this was the right way to go about it is not the argument I'm making. What I am doing is challenging your assertion that no changes were necessary because I believe changes were necessary.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

This change is like reducing the fuel tank of a super car because it goes too fast.
It sure did not change the fact that we still have the super cricket and can still do what we did before. I still laugh at all the melee trying to do as much damage as i do. You all still suck compared to a well geared BST.

The only thing the change did was make it annoying to play the job. So annoying that it is not fun any more. I settle for a 10 yalm range, but not this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.

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Perhaps.

My point is Beast Master was over-powered and it needed to be changed in some way. As I've stated: this may or may not have been the correct way to go about doing it. I've already conceded that. So that's not really a debate I'm interested in having. I'll let people who actually play the job hash that one out.

My objection is for those who suggest the job was fine and no changes were necessary. Because it was not fine and changes did need to happen. It was ridiculously over-powered.

So while it might be true we still all suck when compared to you: at least now you actually have to worry about area attacks and damage the way the rest of us melee jobs do.