109/119 Empyrean Armor, Can we have it?

2 non-EX parts, 1 r/ex part from new event, and the original Empyrean +2 piece seems like a good bet. I doubt SE will be making us go back into Abyssea unless it's some future hard mode mobs. I think they are not going to require Rem's tales but we'll see.

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Originally Posted by detlef

2 non-EX parts, 1 r/ex part from new event, and the original Empyrean +2 piece seems like a good bet. I doubt SE will be making us go back into Abyssea unless it's some future hard mode mobs. I think they are not going to require Rem's tales but we'll see.

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Hard mode shinryu! Now with less atmas and no brews

You guys think empy will follow the 109-119 formula? I think it will jump straight to 119. 109 is completely useless now, so I don't see why they would force that on us. Rem's chapters 6-10, and drops from VW/Delve/New content. Nothing too complicated.

When they raise the ilevel cap, THEN it gets complicated, and challenging.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

You guys think empy will follow the 109-119 formula? I think it will jump straight to 119. 109 is completely useless now, so I don't see why they would force that on us. Rem's chapters 6-10, and drops from VW/Delve/New content. Nothing too complicated.

When they raise the ilevel cap, THEN it gets complicated, and challenging.

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I think the quote said something about adding Empyrean armor for RUN and GEO as well as a way to upgrade it which sounds like the way they handled AF and Relic. Of course now I can't figure out where I read that so maybe I just made that up.

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Originally Posted by detlef

I think the quote said something about adding Empyrean armor for RUN and GEO as well as a way to upgrade it which sounds like the way they handled AF and Relic. Of course now I can't figure out where I read that so maybe I just made that up.

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I guess the reason I think they will skip the 109 stage is because literally no content we do is 109 now, unlike when AF/relic reforge first came out- people were doing content that was doable in 109 gear, but now it's useless, except maybe as a macro swap to enhance an ability.

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Originally Posted by dasva

My prediction still using the rems but they will be the least of your worries as the materials you need will be some rarish drops from the new battle content combined with something silly from old content like lol legion drops

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Ormolu ingots. You heard it here first!

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Originally Posted by Protey

Ormolu ingots. You heard it here first!

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My goldsmith would be so excited by that. 1. Misery loves company. 2. Maybe it might help the supply

Well Empyrean-Armor-Reforging looks like it's 109 and 119 level and requires stuff from Vagary. Hopefully the materials will be available on the AH (and not ridiculously expensive!)

Art.

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

time sinks Ramzi, time sinks. they didn't take away the requirement of beating the level 1 fights to do AA/DM2s, I assumed they were going to make us 109 these as well.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

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I'm just hoping they don't do something stupid like putting "treasure hunter +4" and nothing else useful on the feet again.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

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it's not stupid, it's consistent. you're just lazy.

It also assumes that maybe not everyone has 119 already... shock and horror

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Originally Posted by Protey

it's not stupid, it's consistent. you're just lazy.

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No, lazy is the implementation of this. Personal insults? Really?

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

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I actually prefer it like this. This way when I get all my jse 119 they will all be +1 and have a white border. When SE raises the cap to 129 they will all be +2 and have a blue border. So on and so forth. I think it's nice they keep all the artifact relic and empy gear the same levels. I suppose they could have just not made a nq empy version but that would be a little odd, and besides everyone might not be able to do the new content to 119 empy at first and may like a nice 109 stepping stone before they can.

While I'm happy for the design for GEO as it looks more so like their traditional garbs from previous games, I've very sad that RUN is the one that ended up with that armor design.

People are angry they need more chapters? It's healthy content, and they're very easy to obtain.

I think I have like 68 Chapter 8's and a little bit lower for the rest of the chapters.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

People are angry they need more chapters? It's healthy content, and they're very easy to obtain.

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Agreed, the fights give us a good use for all the merits we farm.

When're you going to reduce Avatar fight costs SE? I want to do 5 at a time!

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

No, lazy is the implementation of this. Personal insults? Really?

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how is the implementation lazy? you gave no justification whatsoever. And as for the accusation of a personal insult: your complaint of "This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys." is a lazy person's comment.

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Originally Posted by Protey

how is the implementation lazy? you gave no justification whatsoever. And as for the accusation of a personal insult: your complaint of "This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys." is a lazy person's comment.

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http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

A lot of time? skcnm 20 fights take like 4 minutes to clear on difficult. You do it twice and everyone should have the 5 chapters they need for the job.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

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Basically what you're saying is that people who can't get 119 shouldn't be allowed to reforge their gear at all. Instead of allowing for players to obtain a solid 109 version, they should get nothing.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

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The definition of lazy is wanting something without putting in any effort to get it. Getting 5 or 10 of Rem's Chapter 1-5 takes such an insignificant amount of time and effort (you can do 6 runs with 6 random guys in Sparks gear in about an hour and be done with one piece).

Yeah you can solo scknms on easy fairly easily and you can just get them in sparks rather quickly. Of all the "timesinks" in the game chapters 1-5 is the least sinky there is

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

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you are lazy. and from this latest post, an instant gratification person. Also, just because you have poor time management skills doesn't mean that people who have good time management skills and are able to accomplish things have a poor real life. To give you an idea, here is a sum of my life:

-got a bachelor's degree in physics
-read almost all of the classics, from Shakespeare to Dickens to Jules Verne (Billy Budd by Melville was the worst! had to look up every other word in the dictionary)
-about to retire from my career in the Army
-rappelled out of a blackhawk a couple times
-skydived a dozen times
-scuba-dived off of Maui
-placed in the top five of a dozen triathlons
-been to Jordan, and Iraq a couple times, ate lamb with a bunch of Sheiks, and fought in a battle where I was shot at for 3 hours
-been to South Korea
-went to Japan during the cherry blossom festival, saw mount fuji, tokyo tower, and visited Akihabara (highly recommend, like in japanese anime, they have Maid Cafes there where only women work there, they all are dressed in maid outfits, and act cute)
-went to China, stood on the Great Wall and Tiananmen Square
-went to Egypt, stood on the Great Pyramid, saw the Sphinx, and rode a camel in the desert
-went to UK, walked amongst the stones at Stonehenge
-went to Greece, saw the Parthenon and various islands
-went to Italy, rode a gondola in Venice, saw the leaning tower of Pisa, Michelangelo's David in Florence, the Roman Colosseum, and the Vatican
-went to France, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo
-went to Spain, did the running of the bulls in Pamplona (yes I was gutsy enough, or foolish, to grab one of the bulls by the horn; ended up with a huge bruise on my leg for a month)
-went to Easter Island, Macchu Picchu in Peru, walked above the amazon rainforest on a rope bridge, fished up piranha (cooked them and ate them, pretty tasty) on the amazon river, and picked up an Anaconda while I was there too (yes it bit me)
-last month I went to Antarctica where I did some kayaking, saw a bunch of whales, killer whales, seals, and thousands of penguins. Also was foolish enough to jump into the frozen waters with nothing but my swimtrunks on

I have done all that and yet still have accomplished all I have in this game. So yea, I think I am qualified to say the following: stop complaining. If playing the game is so much of a burden for you, stop playing.

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Originally Posted by Protey

you are lazy. and from this latest post, an instant gratification person. Also, just because you have poor time management skills doesn't mean that people who have good time management skills and are able to accomplish things have a poor real life. To give you an idea, here is a sum of my life:

-got a bachelor's degree in physics
-read almost all of the classics, from Shakespeare to Dickens to Jules Verne (Billy Budd by Melville was the worst! had to look up every other word in the dictionary)
-about to retire from my career in the Army
-rappelled out of a blackhawk a couple times
-skydived a dozen times
-scuba-dived off of Maui
-placed in the top five of a dozen triathlons
-been to Jordan, and Iraq a couple times, ate lamb with a bunch of Sheiks, and fought in a battle where I was shot at for 3 hours
-been to South Korea
-went to Japan during the cherry blossom festival, saw mount fuji, tokyo tower, and visited Akihabara (highly recommend, like in japanese anime, they have Maid Cafes there where only women work there, they all are dressed in maid outfits, and act cute)
-went to China, stood on the Great Wall and Tiananmen Square
-went to Egypt, stood on the Great Pyramid, saw the Sphinx, and rode a camel in the desert
-went to UK, walked amongst the stones at Stonehenge
-went to Greece, saw the Parthenon and various islands
-went to Italy, rode a gondola in Venice, saw the leaning tower of Pisa, Michelangelo's David in Florence, the Roman Colosseum, and the Vatican
-went to France, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo
-went to Spain, did the running of the bulls in Pamplona (yes I was gutsy enough, or foolish, to grab one of the bulls by the horn; ended up with a huge bruise on my leg for a month)
-went to Easter Island, Macchu Picchu in Peru, walked above the amazon rainforest on a rope bridge, fished up piranha (cooked them and ate them, pretty tasty) on the amazon river, and picked up an Anaconda while I was there too (yes it bit me)
-last month I went to Antarctica where I did some kayaking, saw a bunch of whales, killer whales, seals, and thousands of penguins. Also was foolish enough to jump into the frozen waters with nothing but my swimtrunks on

I have done all that and yet still have accomplished all I have in this game. So yea, I think I am qualified to say the following: stop complaining. If playing the game is so much of a burden for you, stop playing.

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You did all that and you still need to justify yourself to someone on the internet? XD

Ramzi tried to play the real life card, Protey just countered accordingly. (And it was super effective)

Now I'm waiting to see how Ramzi will counter, I need a good laugh.

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[dev1257] Empyrean Armor Reforging

Empyrean Armor Reforging
The March update will allow Empyrean Armor to be reforged to item level 109 and then further to item level 119.

Upgrading these items to item level 119 will require items only obtainable through new battle content added to the March version update.

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I told you it wasn't going to be rem's chapters.

You could tell that just by looking at the new Yorcia Alluvion gear that was added last month. They're not going to add a bunch of gear comparable to the Yorium/Acro/Taeon/Telchine/Helios that's easier to obtain. If it was just throwing a bunch of easily obtained rem's chapters at it then it would have to be significantly weaker than the Yorcia gear and in that case why even bother?

That statement doesn't exclude the possibility of needing chapters. It just means at least one of the required items will be new and only from Vagary.

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Originally Posted by Martel

That statement doesn't exclude the possibility of needing chapters. It just means at least one of the required items will be new and only from Vagary.

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It won't be unless the gear is weaker than the new skirmish gear that was just added. In order to be comparable or better SE will have make it as hard or harder to obtain.

You do know that chapters is still an option and the exclusive items they mention are the extra "craftables" like we need them now for our Artifact and Relic, right?

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Originally Posted by Shirai

You do know that chapters is still an option and the exclusive items they mention are the extra "craftables" like we need them now for our Artifact and Relic, right?

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I always assume the worst because with SE 99% of the time that ends up being the case.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

I told you it wasn't going to be rem's chapters.

You could tell that just by looking at the new Yorcia Alluvion gear that was added last month. They're not going to add a bunch of gear comparable to the Yorium/Acro/Taeon/Telchine/Helios that's easier to obtain. If it was just throwing a bunch of easily obtained rem's chapters at it then it would have to be significantly weaker than the Yorcia gear and in that case why even bother?

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Since when were rems tales the only item needed to upgrade gear? Also given how much SE tries to make old content relevant, it would breath more life again into SKCs and HTBs hopefully. I think you are sorely mistaken that they wouldn't use rem tales. They may not though, and we don't know for sure, but you seem overly sure of yourself with no accurate basis. The bold part of your quote is stating that there is items that will be only obtainable from that battle content that will be used. Again, you might be right, but there is absolutely no reason they wouldn't or even shouldn't use rem tales.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

I told you it wasn't going to be rem's chapters.

You could tell that just by looking at the new Yorcia Alluvion gear that was added last month. They're not going to add a bunch of gear comparable to the Yorium/Acro/Taeon/Telchine/Helios that's easier to obtain. If it was just throwing a bunch of easily obtained rem's chapters at it then it would have to be significantly weaker than the Yorcia gear and in that case why even bother?

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You're still goign to need rem chapters. It's teh other materials that will come from the new content. Remember? you need two materials from two specific contents to upgrade af and relic armor?

"As with artifact and relic equipment upgrades, the items needed to upgrade Empyrean Armor differ based on the armor's current item level." makes me think they will still use chapters.

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Originally Posted by Protey

"As with artifact and relic equipment upgrades, the items needed to upgrade Empyrean Armor differ based on the armor's current item level." makes me think they will still use chapters.

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Yep probably will be how af and relic were. If your empy is +2 you need 5 chapters. If it is only +1 you need 10. NQ will probably be 10 chapters and one of the old +2 empy items like stones of ardor.

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Originally Posted by Protey

you are lazy. and from this latest post, an instant gratification person. Also, just because you have poor time management skills doesn't mean that people who have good time management skills and are able to accomplish things have a poor real life. To give you an idea, here is a sum of my life:

-got a bachelor's degree in physics
-read almost all of the classics, from Shakespeare to Dickens to Jules Verne (Billy Budd by Melville was the worst! had to look up every other word in the dictionary)
-about to retire from my career in the Army
-rappelled out of a blackhawk a couple times
-skydived a dozen times
-scuba-dived off of Maui
-placed in the top five of a dozen triathlons
-been to Jordan, and Iraq a couple times, ate lamb with a bunch of Sheiks, and fought in a battle where I was shot at for 3 hours
-been to South Korea
-went to Japan during the cherry blossom festival, saw mount fuji, tokyo tower, and visited Akihabara (highly recommend, like in japanese anime, they have Maid Cafes there where only women work there, they all are dressed in maid outfits, and act cute)
-went to China, stood on the Great Wall and Tiananmen Square
-went to Egypt, stood on the Great Pyramid, saw the Sphinx, and rode a camel in the desert
-went to UK, walked amongst the stones at Stonehenge
-went to Greece, saw the Parthenon and various islands
-went to Italy, rode a gondola in Venice, saw the leaning tower of Pisa, Michelangelo's David in Florence, the Roman Colosseum, and the Vatican
-went to France, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo
-went to Spain, did the running of the bulls in Pamplona (yes I was gutsy enough, or foolish, to grab one of the bulls by the horn; ended up with a huge bruise on my leg for a month)
-went to Easter Island, Macchu Picchu in Peru, walked above the amazon rainforest on a rope bridge, fished up piranha (cooked them and ate them, pretty tasty) on the amazon river, and picked up an Anaconda while I was there too (yes it bit me)
-last month I went to Antarctica where I did some kayaking, saw a bunch of whales, killer whales, seals, and thousands of penguins. Also was foolish enough to jump into the frozen waters with nothing but my swimtrunks on

I have done all that and yet still have accomplished all I have in this game. So yea, I think I am qualified to say the following: stop complaining. If playing the game is so much of a burden for you, stop playing.

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Pssshhh... I did all that just this weekend. Why so lazy?

exactly, it'll be chapters + something from new content that fills the slot previously held by the delve drop item in all likelihood-excepting Rune and Geo which will no doubt be from some new quest.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

exactly, it'll be chapters + something from new content that fills the slot previously held by the delve drop item in all likelihood-excepting Rune and Geo which will no doubt be from some new quest.

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If it is then expect it to be significantly inferior to the Yorcia Alluvion gear. SE would not make gear that is equivalent to that without also making it equally hard to get.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Yep probably will be how af and relic were. If your empy is +2 you need 5 chapters. If it is only +1 you need 10. NQ will probably be 10 chapters and one of the old +2 empy items like stones of ardor.

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I don't see why considering how easy it is to get a full set of Empyrean +2 just from repeat logon points now.