@SquareEnix: Kickstarter campaign to get a graphic upgrade?

The devs really just need to bring the game up to full DirectX 9.0c/e support and that would solve a lot of the graphics issues right there, not really sure how much work it would take to do this. however with the impliment of xinput controller support we know they have atleast partial DX9.0c support, hopefully adding the rest wouldn't be too difficult.


for those that dont realize it upgrading the framework to DX9.0c would give the game more stable graphics, less graphical anomolies and it would also allow weather effects to be turned on for many systems that don't handle the weather right now with DX8.0 because it would make use of the GPU a lot more than it does now. as it is with DX8.0 it makes use almost entirely of the CPU and almost no GPU. would the graphics upgrade be a huge leap in pretty. not really no. but we don't really need a huge leap. just a better framework to handle what we have now.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

You don't have to search very hard to see this can be changed, like a lot of other aspects of the game.

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That's not the point.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

That's not the point.

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I understand that, but options for better visuals are out there and it doesn't take a supercomputer to run them.

I've been saying this for years, but if it were up to me I'd assign a small team of programmers and artists to rebuild the game using the Unreal Engine, which SE already licenses for use in other games, and release it as a remaster, a popular trend these days. Doing this would open the game up for a plethora of changes/upgrades many of us have been asking for and the dev team couldn't get implemented because of how difficult/impossible it would be with the old PS2 engine it's currently running on. FFXI has changed enough from its early years to appeal to casual gamers as well as the more hardcore and I'm sure it would breathe new life into the game, enough to probably keep the game running at a profit for years... but that's a pipe dream. Look at how long it took for them to finally go ahead with the FFVII remake.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

I understand that, but options for better visuals are out there and it doesn't take a supercomputer to run them.

I've been saying this for years, but if it were up to me I'd assign a small team of programmers and artists to rebuild the game using the Unreal Engine, which SE already licenses for use in other games, and release it as a remaster, a popular trend these days. Doing this would open the game up for a plethora of changes/upgrades many of us have been asking for and the dev team couldn't get implemented because of how difficult/impossible it would be with the old PS2 engine it's currently running on. FFXI has changed enough from its early years to appeal to casual gamers as well as the more hardcore and I'm sure it would breathe new life into the game, enough to probably keep the game running at a profit for years... but that's a pipe dream. Look at how long it took for them to finally go ahead with the FFVII remake.

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They don't want to appeal to new gamers, they are happy to make money off what they have. Keep in mind they have 2 competing titles and one is more important to them than the other. If they could close this game down and get us to move to the other they would love it (they have tried enough tactics), we won't go so instead of losing a large customer base they are continuing to update this game but they aren't going to directly compete with their flagship.

I think it would be awesome to have a new client. I'm not a directx expert although I've read that newer versions of directx use a different set of bindings than dx8/9. The cheap and dirty route of rebuilding against directx8 vs directx9 might be possible and yield some improvements. Doing anything beyond that is essentially going to require a complete rebuild of the client. You will need more than just a small team of software engineers to do that in a reasonable amount of time. I don't think there would be much payoff for the company at this point. It would have been good earlier in the game's life cycle to focus on more maintainable software development. A better game would have attracted more customers. It's too late now to justify the cost. I would pay good money for a client rebuild although I don't think there are enough of us.

I wouldn't consider DQX to be a direct competitor to either of the other games, it appeals to a different fan base.

So, what would be the fund raising goal? What kind of stuff would be a bonus for backers? What would be stretch goals?

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

You don't have to search very hard to see this can be changed, like a lot of other aspects of the game.

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It is hard capped at 30 fps. I have a fps monitor on one of my video capture programs. I have a gtx 970 and a core i7 6700k and it never can go above 30 fps.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It is hard capped at 30 fps. I have a fps monitor on one of my video capture programs. I have a gtx 970 and a core i7 6700k and it never can go above 30 fps.

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You're correct, barring the possibility of any third party programs removing the limit.

I'd even be happy if they just allowed that game that's in the work (Grandmasters of Vana'diel, something like that?) to be playable on computer. I have no mobile, but even if I did I think playing an RPG on that would be pretty obnoxious... I mean, you have to farm, grind, etc. How long can a phone last like that? The pictures of the graphics look pretty good, and a friend of mine who's more into hardware stuff tells me the game is run on an engine pretty easy to emulate on computer.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It is hard capped at 30 fps. I have a fps monitor on one of my video capture programs. I have a gtx 970 and a core i7 6700k and it never can go above 30 fps.

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Goto youtube, type ffxi 60fps into search.

Looks amazing.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

The devs really just need to bring the game up to full DirectX 9.0c/e support and that would solve a lot of the graphics issues right there, not really sure how much work it would take to do this. however with the impliment of xinput controller support we know they have atleast partial DX9.0c support, hopefully adding the rest wouldn't be too difficult.


for those that dont realize it upgrading the framework to DX9.0c would give the game more stable graphics, less graphical anomolies and it would also allow weather effects to be turned on for many systems that don't handle the weather right now with DX8.0 because it would make use of the GPU a lot more than it does now. as it is with DX8.0 it makes use almost entirely of the CPU and almost no GPU. would the graphics upgrade be a huge leap in pretty. not really no. but we don't really need a huge leap. just a better framework to handle what we have now.

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There is no backwards compatibility for DX8 on the Xbox 360's version of DX9 so the 360 version MUST be using DX9.

They already copy pasted the Dirext Input code from the 360 version a few months ago, they should do the same with the DX9 code.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Goto youtube, type ffxi 60fps into search.

Looks amazing.

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I did hear about this from a friend and now have taken the time to look at it. It looks more fluid, yes, but the graphics look the same to me. I think what people are asking for is more polygons, similar to the Character Creator graphics, if not better (FFXIV level?).

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Originally Posted by Kjara

I did hear about this from a friend and now have taken the time to look at it. It looks more fluid, yes, but the graphics look the same to me. I think what people are asking for is more polygons, similar to the Character Creator graphics, if not better (FFXIV level?).

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What most people here seem to be asking for is just a client update so it runs better on modern hardware not a graphics overhaul.

well... FF14 in game config has option to switch between 15/30/60 fps. Would've great if FF11 also has this too, even though I know that there's unofficial way to make the game go 60 fps.

While graphics will remain the same, the fluid gameplay on 60 fps does improve the game's QoL, at least from my own opinion. ^.^

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I wouldn't consider DQX to be a direct competitor to either of the other games, it appeals to a different fan base.

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DQX and XIV are what's keeping SE affloat atm, by the way, and in Japan, DQ > FF, so in a sense, they are actually competitiors but both make SE tons of money.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

What most people here seem to be asking for is just a client update so it runs better on modern hardware not a graphics overhaul.

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This. Even upscaling the graphics is something they can do, doesn't have to be an "overhaul", but all it takes is SE getting the resources and fund to do so.

But with FFXV and VII Remake no doubt sapping them dry, and XIV making tons of money with their Mogstation stuff and minimal content updates, would it even be beneficial for them to dedicate resources to XI? I know the XI team would be all for it, but they have to convenience the big bosses to let them go wild so to speak.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

There is no backwards compatibility for DX8 on the Xbox 360's version of DX9 so the 360 version MUST be using DX9.

They already copy pasted the Dirext Input code from the 360 version a few months ago, they should do the same with the DX9 code.

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would be nice if they did, maybe they are slowly doing this. I wish they would redo Playonline Viewer into a much more compact version, there is no need for as many clicks as we have to go through to get into the game. yeah I know they said they weren't going to get rid of it but that doesnt mean they couldnt change it to get rid of the extra fluff.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This. Even upscaling the graphics is something they can do, doesn't have to be an "overhaul", but all it takes is SE getting the resources and fund to do so.

But with FFXV and VII Remake no doubt sapping them dry, and XIV making tons of money with their Mogstation stuff and minimal content updates, would it even be beneficial for them to dedicate resources to XI? I know the XI team would be all for it, but they have to convenience the big bosses to let them go wild so to speak.

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just changing the game to full DX9.0c(they have partial support now or we wouldnt have xinput as an option now) would improve the graphic a bit and also the stability of the game. allowing for them to give us 60fps or more since it would allow the game to make more use of the GPU than DX8.1 does
while this would not be a huge leap it would be a noticable improvement on most levels

You could always play FFXIV lol