Blue mage Job adjustments

They did ask us to make a list of spells and enemies that the spells fail on in my "is there a reason" forum. That was the last the community reps have stated anything about fixing any of our spells. Feel free to add to it. Personally, I'd love to be able to use spells like Tourbillion and Barbed Crescent.

isnt Erratic Flutter an aoe fire dmg move + haste >.>;

I believe so, and it grants some nice haste^^

Those wamoura go bonkers after using that move.

I was curious of that as well (fire damage) I hope it's just Haste II so you don't have to rely on a target to cast.

[edit] The more I think about it, the spell descriptions are generally very honest with what the spell does. For example:

Subduction (Lv. 99, Recast time: 5 sec.)
Deals wind damage to enemies within range. Additional effect: Weight.

Ravenmore really summed it up with the /dnc /nin /rdm statement, all those used to be good , but now suck, I recently tested all of them to try the save points route, and it really made no difference. I do agree with the /war and the dmg output with it, if your a melee blu, then you def would want to /war so you don't need to equip double attack, and the attack +25% and 10% or whatever from the two job abilities stack with natures meditation and then red curry +1 with Usonmunku x2 attack rank a are amazing for dmg aside from REM 119 afterglow, however I really really really really really really really have been enjoying bluemage /scholar lately because my tier 1 nukes are doing CRAY damage on every enemy including delve bosses... I currently am doing my whole linkshell with this blu/sch set up and everyone is extremely pleased with it. doing 2-3k dmg from a tier 1 nuke (ANY tier 1 nuke) is great, and watching charged whisker hit for 9k dmg is fun... but this route only works if the enemy does not resist magic, so you need to make DD and MAB macros which is a lot of work but fun overall... with that being said, I overlooked the recast timer on that new blu wind magic 5 seconds is decent so I might swap tempest upheaval out.. but haste II and the physical one don't look that appealing to me atm...

as for my magic attack bonus set up I would like to explain what I'm using so that way you don't have to take my word for it, you can try it out yourself..

currently I'm using x2 delve kamhir drift clubs with type A path ( magic attack bonus and magic damage both effect the power of magical damage, swords not so very much...) my reasons are because when I looked on bgwiki they listed the highest value for magic damage and magic attack bonus in the "clubs" category

my ammo is Dosis tathlum (magic damage +13) I currently did some testing with "magic damage" and I determined it gives about 3x the amount listed in added dmg to your spells an example. if I take the ammo off and use fire on a leech in foret then I do 2432 to a leech (4x in a row) if I put the ammo on I do 2481 in fire damage (light day/rain weather btw, just tested it for this purpose only and I didn't have food or any thing special) anyways, I figure the damage between the 2 amounts is = 49 if you divide that by 13 you get 3.76 so for this example the ammo gives 3.76 x the amount listed in magical damage.

before I go any further I should probally mention the reason my fire is so potent is because I'm /sch,, the elemental magic skill is at what a typical 99 job would be at level 99 under dark arts so because of my armor my magic spells are cray.

hagondes set +1 5/5 with magic attack bonus auguments 125+ magic attack bonus total auguments (does not include the native MAB from armor bonuses)

friomisi earring MAB +10

hecates earring MAB +6

Stoiheion medal MAB +8 (unless I'm casting stone magic then I use quanpur)

acumen ring MAB +4

strendu ring MAB +4

cornflower cape MAB +15

I use answang sash as part of my macros for magic attack bonus just in case I don't feel doing day /weather however my macro set up is

I use 3 boxes for my magic attack bonus that equips all 15 pieces of armor, then the line above it equips my elemental obis from sea " fire, earth , wind , water, ice, thunder, light, dark"
so I press the 3 macros for MAB and then click up and select the element, then I use weather and day effects to power up my magic, with the new magic attack bonus food....

doing all this allows me to solo skirmish because my tempest upheaval does 5k+ dmg on the cricket or behemoth

I cleave any smaller enemy for 4000-10k dmg (recently I started using charged whisker, retinal glare has overlapping flash so I use haste x2 song and haste with minimal fastcast armor, thermal pulse , tempest upheaval for my magic attacks AOE, and then the rest are stuff for attack DD blu in case I have to swap armor.. but this works outside skirmish outer ra ka , it works anywhere..)
I have my relic bard on my other x box and my scholar on my laptop /follow me and spam enhancing magic 517 scholar phanlx and regen and then I cleave anything anywhere.... I also have a pdt x3 macro , a sword x2 with triple attack armor , double attack, store TP, critical hit set up macro x3 ect

the reason I am still complaining about the other 3 blu magic spells is because I'm persuaded to play as magic blu more often now to deal higher amounts of dmg on enemies... also all this gear works on red mage too, so sometimes I swap to kraken club redmage with the occasional MAB /dnc usonmonku enspells ect ... but I want some new enhancing magic's for blu's survivability, and some physical blu magic that will hit like 10x so it can actually deal dmg vs magical attacks which is how it used to be.... I remember having to use physical blu magic a lot more often as a blu, and now I'm having to find other methods of damage to keep up with other jobs so I can stay relevant in new content... most of my power as blu mage depends on what I sub, so it would be nice to see blu get some things that mage blue more relying on the main job of blu vs its subs.

I was wondering if anyone or even you evanwimbish has done blu/rune yet and see what kind of benefits it holds? I was leveling rune up a little and was thinking of testing out out the waters as a sub on blu to see what happens when I do! I know in reverse Rune/Blu is a really good job but how does it work out if the two roles of the main and sub job are reversed with blue mage? Looking for your thoughts. anyone know of the new sword blu only Lv.99 Blu only swords name you can get from npc in port jeuno before exiting jeuno into qufim island and wonder what your thoughts are with it, for using blu spells as well. Sorry for taking thread slightly off topic but curious on the results as well!! :confused: :p

Yosemite- It was a very wonderful surprise to wake up to your questions ;)

Mimesis isn't that good because it does nothing for magical blu magic

and I recently swapped it out of my offhand for an occasionally attacks 2x pdt sword
sometimes I wear weaponskill +10% in my offhand skirmish +2 sword augumented

if I wear a sword and use charged whisker I do 500 damage
if I wear x1 club and use charged whisker I do 1500 damage
if I wear x2 clubs and I use charged whisker I do 2500 damage
(not actual values, made up numbers for this purpose only)

its because seekers of adoulin clubs have magic damage added to them, so always wear x2 clubs when casting magical damage and only use sword when you DD / attack blue mage
free clubs would be the bayld homestead club 117 and records of eminence clubs , but I use x2 gabaraxorea or however u spell it.

blue / run sucks too;

you cant tank because theres no voke, you shouldn't need sword play because blu has tons of acc features, sometimes when I solo something i'll use /run so I can avoid being enfeebled but its not ideal for a party set up, currently I use either blu/war or blu/sch but more lately blu/sch because I'm trying to get to 3000 thunder on the shark in delve, currently I am at 1500-2200ish on the mega boss in delve foret and /run wouldn't be able to help me with this strategy, all of the job traits aside from the parry bonus blu already has access too so its not doing anything there, and the rune enchantments are a nice luxuary to have, they deal more damage then enspells SOMETIMES (rivals the weather / day enspells) but you have direct access to light and dark damage which Is very nice in situations where enemies are weak to it. if they ever made a umbril Nm I would most likely sub RUN lol... but other than that I don't use /run too often.
/warrior is good for increasing ur attack by 25% and 10% or defense by 25% or accuracy bonus, double attack ect. they all stack with blues attack %+ spells but don't stack with warriors double attack, I stopped using 5% triple attack spells because I have 9% triple attack vs 14% triple attack, and I needed the slots for other stuff. same goes for the double attack spells, 7% double attack from equipping 2 spells and that's like equipping 2 of the seekers of adoulin earrings..

usually when I look at making a macro for something I will look up the category on bgwiki / ffxiclopedia / ffxiah and then test something out myself for example magic attack bonus in the faq I posted before this one. but in short Mimesis is +10 all stats ---> the pdt sword from wkr is +12 str and vit so its either +10 dex or +12 str for cdc is how I looked at it, str governs all weaponskills however dex is the modifier of cdc, you can cap out on a modifier from what I read so I took off mimesis.

maybe they will release weaponskills for that port jeuno npc or augument paths, however mostly all of them suck..

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Originally Posted by evanwimbish

Yosemite- It was a very wonderful surprise to wake up to your questions ;)

Mimesis isn't that good because it does nothing for magical blue magic

maybe they will release weapon skills for that port jeuno npc or augment paths, however mostly all of them suck..

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Yeah, I hope they do release augmenting for this sword and make it so you can add the magic dmg high enough to it, along with raising some of the main stats you just mentioned in your previous statement with the aug's and maybe includes a plus 2 version in the future for this sword as well as maybe some Double Att\triple att stats but what would you think should be added to make this sword unique to stand out from the clubs and be more powerful then the clubs at it stands at now?

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Originally Posted by Metaking

isnt Erratic Flutter an aoe fire dmg move + haste >.>;

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Yeah kinda meh fire dmg but capped magic haste with lowish duration (like 1-1.5 minutes). Probably will lose some potency because of random BS reasons like diffusion. Hopefully will have a more normal duration

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Originally Posted by evanwimbish

you cant tank because theres no voke

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Huh. I think that statement alone speaks to your level of expertise.

in wildskeeper bee last night was first time I've cast a lot in awhile... darn bee is so hard to hit I was just spamming delta thrust cause at least I'd get 500-1400 damage depending on how many hits landed, wasn't set up at all for it, accidentally had on lolwhm sub, which ironically ended up being helpful because poisona once my WHM trusts died... a stack of antidotes or two with a real sub probably would have been better but, w/e it all worked out.

Anyway I really want our older spells like this to be given the boost they deserve - it could give us a bit of a boost overall. And/or let our physical spells also get boosts from +magic damage and MAB.... would be nice to have several ways of making them stronger.

It was only possible to play this way (of course) cause I had moogle out, would be nice for BLU to get some more DD gear that also has refresh on it - lack of refresh just makes using magic as a blu even more difficult.

You can tank with blu mage , yes, however when I trio box the shark it would be nice to have more enmity + moves as blu main so that way the shark does not run around and hit the healer... Again with no voke it's hard to tank for a party, and spamming blue magic is not considered voking

When they revamped enmity for all other jobs' spells they left out blu, which their reason was that they thought blu should be able to tank at times too. It would be nice to receive some spells like nin received last update, though better versions. One for hate loss like high jump and another for hate gain - provoke. This way we can tank or not tank.

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Originally Posted by Olor

in wildskeeper bee last night was first time I've cast a lot in awhile... darn bee is so hard to hit I was just spamming delta thrust cause at least I'd get 500-1400 damage depending on how many hits landed, wasn't set up at all for it, accidentally had on lol-whm sub, which ironically ended up being helpful because poisona once my WHM trusts died... a stack of antidotes or two with a real sub probably would have been better but, w/e it all worked out.

Anyway I really want our older spells like this to be given the boost they deserve - it could give us a bit of a boost overall. And/or let our physical spells also get boosts from +magic damage and MAB.... would be nice to have several ways of making them stronger.

It was only possible to play this way (of course) cause I had moogle out, would be nice for BLU to get some more DD gear that also has refresh on it - lack of refresh just makes using magic as a blu even more difficult.

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Actually it is possible just by not using all delve or reforged gears to do it but the same gears also regen tick at night which is also nice for blu to have cure themselves less with regen ticks. I seen Stamos on my server with both major regan and refresh with these gears: {Head Gear}-Spurrina coif with an augment of Refresh +2 which drops from legion battlefield, {Body}-LuhLaza Jubbah +1, {Back}- Kumbira Cape, {Hands}-Serpentes cuffs, {Feet}-Serpentes sabots, {Ring #1}- Sheltered Ring, {Ring #2}-Paguroidea Ring, {Neck}-Wiglen Gorget for his Regan & Refresh set up on his Blue Mage. Now if your curious to what it is that he is wearing for the rest of the gears, they are: {Belt}-Flume Belt, {Legs}-Blood cuisses augmented with "Mag .Def .Bns"+5 and "Fast Cast+5", {Earring #1}-Brutal Earring, {Earring #2}-Colossus's Earring, {Ammo slot}-Iron Gobbet, {Main Hand Weapon}-Anahera saber, {Sub hand Weapon}-Buramenk'ah. :cool:

Now what I like about the Mavi Body and Mavi Hands for blue mages magic casting that the Reforges and other gears don't have on it is this: {Body}-Blue Magic Casting Time -12% and on the {Hands}-Blue Magic Recast Delay -12% which shortens the casting time and then the delay wait time to be casting blue magic spell's and i wish they will include this into the reforges in the future or at least make it possible to include further augments on the Reforged Artifact+1/Reforged-Relic+1's or higher in the future for value'ability in blue mages use! ;)

What are your thought's on it??

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Originally Posted by evanwimbish

You can tank with blu mage , yes, however when I trio box the shark it would be nice to have more enmity + moves as blu main so that way the shark does not run around and hit the healer... Again with no voke it's hard to tank for a party, and spamming blue magic is not considered voking

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You don't seem to really have a grasp on how enmity works. BLU has a few spells with high VE and CE, negating a need for provoke which provides only VE. Hell, Jettatura alone provides more than half the VE of Provoke along with a chunk of CE, not to mention other BLU spells that build a lot more CE than other stuff out there. I'm guessing you're unaware PLD/BLU is a thing?

Anyone that thinks the ability to tank hinges on access to Provoke has quite a long way to go. Capping enmity on any job combination is childs' play, and BLU also happens to have several high VE+CE spells to make it even easier.

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

Actually it is possible just by not using all delve or reforged gears to do it but the same gears also regen tick at night which is also nice for blu to have cure themselves less with regen ticks. I seen Stamos on my server with both major regan and refresh with these gears: {Head Gear}-Spurrina coif with an augment of Refresh +2 which drops from legion battlefield, {Body}-LuhLaza Jubbah +1, {Back}- Kumbira Cape, {Hands}-Serpentes cuffs, {Feet}-Serpentes sabots, {Ring #1}- Sheltered Ring, {Ring #2}-Paguroidea Ring, {Neck}-Wiglen Gorget for his Regan & Refresh set up on his Blue Mage. Now if your curious to what it is that he is wearing for the rest of the gears, they are: {Belt}-Flume Belt, {Legs}-Blood cuisses augmented with "Mag .Def .Bns"+5 and "Fast Cast+5", {Earring #1}-Brutal Earring, {Earring #2}-Colossus's Earring, {Ammo slot}-Iron Gobbet, {Main Hand Weapon}-Anahera saber, {Sub hand Weapon}-Buramenk'ah. :cool:

Now what I like about the Mavi Body and Mavi Hands for blue mages magic casting that the Reforges and other gears don't have on it is this: {Body}-Blue Magic Casting Time -12% and on the {Hands}-Blue Magic Recast Delay -12% which shortens the casting time and then the delay wait time to be casting blue magic spell's and i wish they will include this into the reforges in the future or at least make it possible to include further augments on the Reforged Artifact+1/Reforged-Relic+1's or higher in the future for value'ability in blue mages use! ;)

What are your thought's on it??

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Even more refresh if he offhanded Bolebunga (sp?) Delve II club with refresh on it, or a step further, can BLU use Owleyes? Probably not. How about Moonshade earring augmented with refresh (although he would have to be disengaged for latent to be active).

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Even more refresh if he offhanded Bolebunga (sp?) Delve II club with refresh on it, or a step further, can BLU use Owleyes? Probably not. How about Moonshade earring augmented with refresh (although he would have to be disengaged for latent to be active).

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Well maybe but don't forget you also want both dmg and magic damage output as well, even with all of the refresh and regan setup gears and LE's usually the same as occasionally activities but also does have the ability to not activate at all which I'd rather have something that is always there in use rather then attempting to use an item matching possibly hard requirements for it to even function as close to even usable.

Now when they finally do Reforges coming out for Empereon/Abby armor gears and weapons some time in the future and for blue mages Mavi Reforged set specially, I would like to see them put quite a bit of refresh and regen on each piece as well as upgrades to the Blue Magic Casting Time -number% and Recast Delay -%{Minus Number of percentage down-time} and also have haste% and all pieces of mavi and some where fast cast as an additional on the gears could be nice too. Now the only gears of the mavi set that never got covered with an upgrade such as the mavi tathlum and the mavi earring getting a +1 and +2 would be nice as well as maybe include it in the reforges would be good too. well I know a few like to see blue mage gears get double attack and enhances dualwield effect on them as well!
what would you see implemented into the blue mavi gear reforges??

I think we were given spells like Paralyzing Triad and Delta Thrust to keep up with the pace of battle and not impact MP like the 100MP~tier spells. I could warrant spamming those spells if the additional effect worked against high level enemies because it just doesn't. The only benefit I see to that is on very very high evasion enemies the physical spells are far more reliable than the sword whiffs when you don't have reliable accuracy stacked on.

I have a wonderful idea of the enmity system due to libra,,
Try it out sometime ( blu bard scholar). Try using 1 blu spell and then see how much that spell gains by using libra..

Blu does not have ANY magics that are voke

Dont argue with me about enmity 、argue with SE about giving YOU access to see enmity values better

pld/blu is super tanking mostly, easily the best combo for the person holding the extra AA's during Dm, also useful in AA hume during the last 30% since it stop brazen rush cdc from having a chance to 1 shot. On the subject of jetta, or any debuff spell for that matter, land or resisted the enmity is still generated, aka a pld can cast flash on a light ele, which will resist it, but will still get full hate from using flash. Now the reason you dont see as many plds use it over war is because it takes a lot more skill to sub blu than war, and is has a decently hefty mana upkeep, but for long fights if you can keep the pld(or run) in mana, they will actually make the monster look at them sometimes unlike the /war who will get ignored almost completely when enmity caps

With the talk of even more spells via the jp dev posts, I'm hopeful that we do end up with some new enmity spells. That and some more buffs to help us track would be handy.

Tank*
dumb auto-correct

O do tell on the new spells, also yes auto-correct has fowled many a person >.>

:p So why do you think the blue mage job should be another added tank job to the all ready added or changed to tank jobs in the game because I really seriously liked to know myself?:confused:

Blu has always been somewhat of a pseudo-tank, even in the 75 days. SE has even declared them somewhat-tanks via a reply they gave in a thread about magic giving too much hate when adoulin was new. Just today I tanked Colkhab the whole fight. It's not saying too much, but we can hold our own with what spells we have. I just want more...

Also, they didn't give us any spell names in that jp post, just the job traits we're getting with the 3 upcoming. Also, job traits of future spells will include dual wield, and future spells will be stronger somehow. That's pretty much all that they said. Oh, and we're not going to receive anymore spell slots.

More than 3 spells tomorrow?!?!?!

No, sometime in the future. Sorry for giving false hopes.

Greetings,

Thank you for the feedback regarding blue mage. :)

I’d like to share some information in response to some of the comments we’ve been receiving.

• New blue magic spells
  The following table shows the additional traits and blue magic point cost for the new blue magic spells that will be added in the July version update.
  
  <table width="480" border="0"> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Blue Magic Spell</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Trait</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Job Trait Value</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Blue Magic Point Cost</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Erratic Flutter</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Fast Cast</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">8</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">6</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">Thrashing Assault</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">Double Attack</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">8</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">7</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Subduction</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Magic Attack Bonus</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">8</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">6</td> </tr></table>
  
  Similar to other spells that were added after Seekers of Adoulin, in exchange for a higher blue magic point cost, the job trait value is higher and you will be able to gain the additional trait by only equipping that one spell.

• Additional traits
  The additional traits that are gained by equipping blue magic spells were designed based on the monster that you learned the spell from and are meant to be useful for that particular spell.
  
  I understand that there has been some feedback that even with the implementation of Erratic Flutter it will be tough to remove Animating Wail from blue magic sets due to the dual wield trait. However, moving forward we will be adding various blue magic spells that cover a wide variety of job traits including dual wield.

• Physical blue magic spell strength
  Blue mage is a job that fights with a combination of auto-attacks, weapon skills, and blue magic spells, and in situations where they receive a multitude of support from other party members there are cases where they will excel in damage over time through auto-attacks and weapon skills.
  
  However, moving forward we will be adding blue magic spells that consume a high amount of MP in exchange for a powerful attack just like Quadratic Continuum and Amorphic Spikes so that they will be able to deal heavy amounts of damage in a shorter time in battles with parties.

• Blue magic spell set cap
  System-wise it is rather difficult to increase the cap on blue magic spell sets. As an indirect method for addressing this issue, we will be adding blue magic spells with job traits that have higher values which can be gained by equipping less spells.
  
  We’ll be making it more advantageous to boost blue magic points with job points as we add new powerful spells that require a higher amount of blue magic points moving forward.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Thank you for the feedback regarding blue mage. :)

• Blue magic spell set cap
  System-wise it is rather difficult to increase the cap on blue magic spell sets. As an indirect method for addressing this issue, we will be adding blue magic spells with job traits that have higher values which can be gained by equipping less spells.
  
  We’ll be making it more advantageous to boost blue magic points with job points as we add new powerful spells that require a higher amount of blue magic points moving forward.

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if you won't increase spell slots can you please AT LEAST make it so all voidwatch BLU procs can be set by one BLU using available slots?

Also "adding dual wield in the future" does NOT help BLU mages today. We have fallen really far behind after the weaponskill update made 2-handed jobs SO MUCH STRONGER than they already were. How many months do we have to fall behind before something is done? Other DDs can put out large damage output without MP, why must any spell that does damage worth doing cost a lot of MP? It's very hard to maintain enough MP while doing damage as it is...

Also I thought job points were supposed to be a bonus, not something we had to grind out to get the bare minimum of usefulness on our jobs? They are way too horrible to make necessary for any job... and since I never get invited to any group activities as BLU because we have no role, it means essentially "grind job points alone for 200 hours" which is NOT FUN.

Sorry for the wall of text. I stand behind my feedback and opinion that this is a poor route the development team is taking to fixing Blue Mage.

• New Blue Magic Spells
  Adding new powerful spells that cost more and set full traits is great in theory, but it removes any variety to Blue Mage. Whatever happened to Monster Correlation? I don't understand the aversion to revamping Blue Magic entirely. It was done with Healing Magic, Elemental Magic, Weapon Skill/TP Gain, and recently a post about how Blood Pacts are about to scale more with Summoning Magic. There is no other job in the game that has been told to just completely ignore their early learned abilities for "eventually in the future" new ones.
  
  Over 150 spells eventually being discarded for new spells with adjusted traits just seems like extra work with not a lot of praise for it. Because until we receive all spells to replace older ones. Old ones will still be used and even afterward, players will complain about the lack of variety. It just seems counterproductive to me.
  
  
• "Additional" Traits? More like only traits...
  These traits we set are the only traits Blue Mage has natively. Unless you really want to be technical about Assimilation and Enchainment. The way the development team keeps wording it as if these traits are so overpowered that Blue Mage needs to be watched carefully. Granted, the ability to change your job traits makes it natively stronger. However, there are really only 1-2 commonly used sets players use for Job Traits. So the ability to change job traits is lessened because you'd never do it and sacrifice more essential traits.
  
  
• "The Melee Condition" and Blue Magic Spell Strength
  It is not just "in situations where they receive a multitude of support from other party members". I can auto-attack on my own stronger than burning through MP for damage in a lot of instances (not counting augmenting spells with Job Abilities). It's not a practical strategy to spam Physical or Magical Blue Magic for damage in content level 109+ zones. Elemental Magic is so fast, strong and MP efficient, it completely eclipses Blue Magic in spike damage. Magical Blue Magic is relegated primarily to Voidwatch procs, AoE farming in older content and for amusement but it's high MP cost to low when unassisted damage ratio on magic evasion targets is lackluster.
  
  
• Blue Magic Spell Set Cap
  I think claiming it as a system that can't be worked around is a snap judgment to me. I don't claim to know how the system works on the back-end, but I'd love to know how exactly this is impossible to work around system wise besides making all new spells to fix the old ones. Even if we just had access to more spells like how Unbridled Learning spells are separate, but not their attributes and traits it would be worth looking into.
  
  
• Assimilation and Job Points are basically a requirement, not supplemental.
  The idea conveyed of Job Specific Merit Points were to be ways to specialize your job. Except all other options pale in comparison to 5/5 on additional spell points, especially now with these 6-7 cost spells.
  
  Job Points have been conveyed as a casual reward system for players dedicated to their job, be supplemental, and not job changing. However all of the adjustments mostly revolve around having additional Blue Magic points to equip new spells/traits, making it a requirement.

I apologize if the post comes off as complaints because of the length but it's purely constructive criticism. I love Blue Mage and the principles behind the job. While it may be more difficult, I'd rather see more effort put into adjustments so that it retains the integrity of being a completely moldable versatile job that has to incorporate Monster Correlation and Element/Damage Type into strategy.

Thanks Rwolf you did a fantastic job summing up what needs improvement in the developer's vision for BLU

The programming to up the amount of native slots, or adjust the amount of blue magic points we get with merits, is not that hard.. I really just think they're being lazy.

That being said, Blue Magic, especially the physical bits, really need a good boost in damage in order for BLU to be taken anywhere that's relevant.

Would help if half our traits weren't gimp shadows of what they are supposed to be. What's wrong with blu getting a t1 fastcast trait that is actually T1 instead of T .5 or a DA trait that is actually 10%?

I'm iffy on the job points for blu. I mean some jobs don't have any good choices and we do. So there is that. It does suck that it'll require a good deal of time to cap but if given the choice, I'll keep it.

I'm okay with new dd spells that are expensive as long as they pack the punch of iLVL 119, have good SC properties so they can chain with Chant and req and a low recast so they can be spammed during 2hr for nice chains. I've not had to worry about my mp on blu for years since casting anything but lunge and haste isn't really worth it. I'd be okay with having to worry about mp again so long as we have spells worth casting. I still think old spells need updating.

Don't even get me started on magical blu spells... I'd be better off subbing rdm and using en-spells than nuking with blu magic.

not to be mean but its probably meant to replace acrid stream(3) and demoralizing roar(4) for when your making triple attack. Droping the - str off from not setting demoralizing roar isnt going to make me shed any tears >.>. tho i have to agree setting 2 haste spells is alittle wonky

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Boy, it's times like this I wish I could upvote more then once.

"I'd rather see more effort put into adjustments so that it retains the integrity of being a completely moldable versatile job that has to incorporate Monster Correlation and Element/Damage Type into strategy."

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And why would you waste blue points on jettaura? Or paladin/blu? I NEVER see pld/blu at endgame events in 2014 so stop bringing up level 75 strategies ... Pld/blu is for soloing. Jettaura can be completely resisted as well no matter how much magic acc.. U would have made more sense saying temporal shift. Libra does not lie...
Again try testing out the current ways to check enmity via ffxi programs, and stop dicking around with windower

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You're hilarious. Thanks, pretty much confirmed what I was getting at earlier. You don't know how the enmity system works. Enmity has been thoroughly researched by players, you'd do well to study their work. Libra is very misleading, as it only displays how each character ranks in enmity as a percentage compared to the player currently holding the monster's attention; in reality there are precise values that persist during each fight (CE) or gradually decline (VE) that are extremely easy to cap in today's FFXI. Hence the popularity of RNG plus PLD, as RNG is one of the only DDs that can stay safely below the enmity cap thanks to Decoy Shot, Coronach, etc.

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pld/blu is super tanking mostly, easily the best combo for the person holding the extra AA's during Dm, also useful in AA hume during the last 30% since it stop brazen rush cdc from having a chance to 1 shot. On the subject of jetta, or any debuff spell for that matter, land or resisted the enmity is still generated, aka a pld can cast flash on a light ele, which will resist it, but will still get full hate from using flash. Now the reason you dont see as many plds use it over war is because it takes a lot more skill to sub blu than war, and is has a decently hefty mana upkeep, but for long fights if you can keep the pld(or run) in mana, they will actually make the monster look at them sometimes unlike the /war who will get ignored almost completely when enmity caps

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[*]Physical blue magic spell strength
Blue mage is a job that fights with a combination of auto-attacks, weapon skills, and blue magic spells, and in situations where they receive a multitude of support from other party members there are cases where they will excel in damage over time through auto-attacks and weapon skills.

However, moving forward we will be adding blue magic spells that consume a high amount of MP in exchange for a powerful attack just like Quadratic Continuum and Amorphic Spikes so that they will be able to deal heavy amounts of damage in a shorter time in battles with parties.

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Uhhhh yeah. Clearly the devs don't know how BLU ranks compared to MNK, SAM, DRK, etc.. There's no danger of BLU somehow shooting to the front of the list and becoming "the chosen one" DD that outshines everything ever. Not gonna happen. There's a LOT of room for improvement without breaking this job, devs.

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[*]Blue magic spell set cap
System-wise it is rather difficult to increase the cap on blue magic spell sets. As an indirect method for addressing this issue, we will be adding blue magic spells with job traits that have higher values which can be gained by equipping less spells.

We’ll be making it more advantageous to boost blue magic points with job points as we add new powerful spells that require a higher amount of blue magic points moving forward.

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Cool. But the last part there is stupid. "Making it more advantageous to boost blue magic points with job points?" WTF does that even mean? Are there people playing BLU who DON'T think it's advantageous? We're STARVED for blue magic points, of course it's "advantageous!" I'm hoping what this was supposed to mean is they're gonna give us more blue magic points per job point.

I'm pretty displeased to see nothing was stated about Tourbillion/Barbed Crescent on this last update. Seriously...why can't they state it's a known issue again?

The MP/damage ratio is not balanced properly.

Amorphic Spikes consistently delivers 1~1500 more damage than Paralyzing Triad except PT and Delta Thrust cost 1/4th the cost of MP and can be used 3-4 times before the recast on Amorphic Spikes. This generally applies to all of the ~100MP spells, the damage output is not worth the MP cost with the exception being skillchains.

The high tier physical spells are in dire need of a huge damage boost or MP/Recast reduction.

Greetings,

Thanks for the feedback on blue mage. We’ll be sure to inform the development team.

In the meantime, however, I did receive some word about some upcoming plans. In the August version update they will be making it so physical blue magic spells will receive effects from food, songs, and rolls.

This is something that will affect battle balance in a big way, so the team will be making adjustments very carefully; however, they would like to make it so blue mages can really use their magic to shine.

Wow! Does this also include spells like nature's meditation?