What is the best DD?

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03-24-2011, 01:20 PM
Jar

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Originally Posted by Puddings

Why would you want to take extra physical damage?

because your a DRK and it helps your emo
03-24-2011, 01:22 PM
Harpalina

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Originally Posted by Jar

it helps your emo

LAWL. Yeah I guess that would be a valid point...
03-24-2011, 01:23 PM
Genjo

Good one lol!
03-24-2011, 01:24 PM
Jar

so this thread going to die now? i dont know how i can top that one.
03-24-2011, 01:26 PM
Puddings

Is ridill still the best for war
03-24-2011, 01:27 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by Puddings

Is ridill still the best for war

Only if you are fighting Pork and offhand Bronze Skillet +1.

Occasionally slices 2-3 times.
03-24-2011, 01:28 PM
Harpalina

Your Bacon Mage sig is so distracting...almost hypnotizing, even...
03-24-2011, 01:29 PM
Puddings

I worked hard on my sig
03-24-2011, 01:31 PM
Jar

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Originally Posted by Puddings

I worked hard on my sig

metoo took almost 5 min to google it. QQ
03-24-2011, 01:32 PM
Puddings

I had to google all the parts and make it in paint. Rough.
03-24-2011, 02:08 PM
Atomic_Skull

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

It's not puppet master that much i can tell you :P

You'd be amazed at the damage Stringing Pummel does in Abyssea with RR etc. It's a much better WS for RR than Ascetics Fury.

I've seen PUPs brewing Rani do 8-12k Stringing Pummels (Don't mention Jinpu or any other magic WS, those are a big no-no on Rani)
03-24-2011, 02:28 PM
Ritsuka

Blm has been and prob well always be the best DD in the game. I'm not a blm but its been like that sense day 1. It can do damage in or outside of Aby area's period.
03-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Andylynn

wow this thread derailed fast over my nap.

1. the max you can hit is 8 swings per round, weaponskills included.hexa + KC is not going to do anything but give you awful damage because of KCS low dmg.

2. PDT/MDT sets practically hurt emp war's DD potential badly, they rely on a pretty picky set up in order to max gear haste and retain a 5 hit after ws.

3. drg has a similar af3 set bonus to war, at it gives you extra % dmg proportional to your wyvern hp, so @ 100% you get 2x damage strikes occasionally, which can stack with rhongomiant's aftermath, making it a plenty scary DD within its own right (since mythic drg is going to be beyond rare.)

i really think this thread comes down to ukko's vs drakesbane, similar wsc weaponskills, each with potential to do dasterdly damage. personally i love how drg makes all these ukon wars get out their calculators. much better than the whole loldrg scene few years ago.
03-24-2011, 02:38 PM
Kazen

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2. PDT/MDT sets practically hurt emp war's DD potential badly, they rely on a pretty picky set up in order to max gear haste and retain a 5 hit after ws.

You don't seem to understand... you only put the gear on for a split second for physical ws or magic depending. It's still loldrg when you compared Drake to Ukko but drg isn't a bad dd.
03-24-2011, 02:44 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Kazen

It's still loldrg when you compared Drake to Ukko but drg isn't a bad dd.

lolwat? drakesbane has pretty much the same potential damage cap as ukkos on perfect conditions. fights where it matters, drg is going to be swinging faster anyways, and out DDing you in the TP phase, (jumps can proc triple attacks and are affected by aftermaths from what i'm told, i've done a 2.1k ta jump before with contus.) those jumps can be equivalent to a free 100% tp bar inorder for a 2x light soloing with camlann's->drakes->drakes. etc. drg is no laughing stock compared to war and those who think otherwise are just plain ignorant.
03-24-2011, 02:44 PM
Gunit

Does your drg not have a PDT/MDT set for some reason?
03-24-2011, 02:46 PM
Gunit

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

lolwat? drakesbane has pretty much the same potential damage cap as ukkos on perfect conditions. fights where it matters, drg is going to be swinging faster anyways, and out DDing you in the TP phase, (jumps can proc triple attacks and are affected by aftermaths from what i'm told, i've done a 2.1k ta jump before with contus.) those jumps can be equivalent to a free 100% tp bar inorder for a 2x light soloing with camlann's->drakes->drakes. etc. drg is no laughing stock compared to war and those who think otherwise are just plain ignorant.

I play drg and not war. DRG is not really lol but compared to a ukkon war your not going to keep up with it that easily if at all.
03-24-2011, 02:53 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Gunit

I play drg and not war. DRG is not really lol but compared to a ukkon war your not going to keep up with it that easily if at all.

i really doubt that. people act like ukko's is some god send, whereas the best war on asura said he only average's 4-6k, not much different from my average geared drakesbane. i'm pretty sure FFXIAH users have heard of solara, pretty bad arse war from asura. pretty valid source to me.
03-24-2011, 02:55 PM
Jar

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

wow this thread derailed fast over my nap.

1. the max you can hit is 8 swings per round, weaponskills included.hexa + KC is not going to do anything but give you awful damage because of KCS low dmg.

2. PDT/MDT sets practically hurt emp war's DD potential badly, they rely on a pretty picky set up in order to max gear haste and retain a 5 hit after ws.

3. drg has a similar af3 set bonus to war, at it gives you extra % dmg proportional to your wyvern hp, so @ 100% you get 2x damage strikes occasionally, which can stack with rhongomiant's aftermath, making it a plenty scary DD within its own right (since mythic drg is going to be beyond rare.)

i really think this thread comes down to ukko's vs drakesbane, similar wsc weaponskills, each with potential to do dasterdly damage. personally i love how drg makes all these ukon wars get out their calculators. much better than the whole loldrg scene few years ago.

cute you where actually thinking we where not making lul posts ...
03-24-2011, 02:56 PM
Gunit

so the best war on Asura sucks? and again does your drg not have PDT/MDT sets for some reason?
Again I am not saying DRG sucks or is lol just saying war can out dmg it.
03-24-2011, 02:57 PM
Kazen

You can doubt it all you want but Ukko's Fury is superior and I'm not even an Ukon warrior.
03-24-2011, 03:02 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Gunit

so the best war on Asura sucks? and again does your drg not have PDT/MDT sets for some reason?
Again I am not saying DRG sucks or is lol just saying war can out dmg it.

of course i have one, not that i use it often, my drg only tanks low tier nms for LS when seal hunting, and seigan usually eliminates the need for it.

solara's ws- http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/190886
tp - http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/37972
5hit restraint, and pretty decent ws set up, dude knows what he's doing.
03-24-2011, 03:06 PM
Gunit

no zerg up/down build?
you have proof that you are out dmging him or keeping up with him?
03-24-2011, 03:08 PM
Robm

I'm pretty fond of Ukon WAR myself
03-24-2011, 03:10 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Robm

I'm pretty fond of Ukon WAR myself

cool story bro. drakes and VS can do the same thing with brew.
03-24-2011, 03:11 PM
Gunit

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/16...advice#1019161

One and the same?
03-24-2011, 03:13 PM
Kazen

Nice SAM ws gear you got there... and by nice I mean terrible.
03-24-2011, 03:17 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Gunit

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/16...advice#1019161

One and the same?

old account, old gear, from december, when i came back to FFXIAH from wotg days, had no idea what had gotten better since.
03-24-2011, 03:22 PM
Gunit

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

old account, old gear, from december, when i came back to FFXIAH from wotg days, had no idea what had gotten better since.

Not tryin to hate or anything but I hope you have came ALONG way from there to think your on par with a ukkon war.
03-24-2011, 03:30 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Gunit

Not tryin to hate or anything but I hope you have came ALONG way from there to think your on par with a ukkon war.

oh, i have, my sam's in AF3+2 now, and almost done with masamune. it doesn't look as incredibly nooby as much by comparison.
03-24-2011, 03:32 PM
Gunit

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Originally Posted by Gunit

you have proof that you are out dmging him or keeping up with him?

You might have missed this.
Was more just wondering cause i just find it hard to believe without math to back it up.
03-24-2011, 03:53 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Gunit

You might have missed this.
Was more just wondering cause i just find it hard to believe without math to back it up.

i never said i out damage him personally, i said:

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i really doubt that. people act like ukko's is some god send, whereas the best war on asura said he only average's 4-6k, not much different from my average geared drakesbane

drakes vs ukko's isn't much a difference:
2.25 ftp 2x hit 60% str vs 4x hit 1.0 ftp 50% str. they both have similar capped potential on an empyrean drg or war, the only major gamebreaker is the 15% damage boost on mythic, that might set drg ahead, but mythic drgs are beyond rare.
03-24-2011, 03:55 PM
Gunit

ok so you're not saying your on par with a ukkon war. Sorry for misunderstand your post.
03-24-2011, 04:03 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Gunit

ok so you're not saying your on par with a ukkon war. Sorry for misunderstand your post.

yeah, i have alot of gear to improve before i am, such as finishing my +2 AF3, and rhongomiant, then i might be able to claim that easily. currently, no. my point was, ukkos isnt that much better than drakes to begin with.
03-24-2011, 04:40 PM
Coldbrand

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

cool story bro. drakes and VS can do the same thing with brew.

Stop making Dragoons look bad. You're supposed to be a knight. Behave like one.
03-24-2011, 04:50 PM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Stop making Dragoons look bad. You're supposed to be a knight. Behave like one.

saywat? FFs only example of a drg was kain in FF4, and he was a traitorous, backstabbing SOB. if anything im far from that poor excuse of a drg!
03-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Coldbrand

Dragoons are also known as Dragon Knights (do the impulse drive quest) but the point is spouting out dead and tired /v/ memes affects community perception of a job as a whole (especially when you have giant sigs flaunting your job choice.)
03-24-2011, 05:17 PM
MarkovChain

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Originally Posted by Gunit

Does your drg not have a PDT/MDT set for some reason?

Mdt is a bit old fashioned. We are in abyssea and play the easy mode game. Cure VI spam go, invo -10. Not to mention that atmas of the easy mode allow you to cap a given element's magic evasion, if not all all at the same time for elites, if needed. Pdt is still useful for cleave.
03-24-2011, 05:27 PM
Cupofnoodles

well you have to ask your self best dd over time or spike damage
03-24-2011, 06:21 PM
Kazen

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Mdt is a bit old fashioned. We are in abyssea and play the easy mode game. Cure VI spam go, invo -10. Not to mention that atmas of the easy mode allow you to cap a given element's magic evasion, if not all all at the same time for elites, if needed. Pdt is still useful for cleave.

Completely incorrect if you want to be efficient in any way. PDT/MDT sets will never become obsolete.

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