Wildskeeper Reive Feedback

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Originally Posted by dasva

I find some are not shouted or shout by jps using slang that google can't translate properly so most others don't find out. That said even though colo rate is almost 50% now there is just as much shouts maybe less than when it was at 20% or less... cause until you start getting 80 maybe 60 its going to still be cor dominated dmg. Also think people are getting sick of farming balyd over and over again then going into a fight that they know might last litterally 16 hours with people who are going to definitely do stupid shit and sometimes even malicous stuff like deliberately wiping everyone and come out of it with a pebble. And even if eventually you do get the item we practically know that even just the lower tier nm version will be better in next delve

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Oddly enough, I actually came home to see one being shouted for the first time, but I had to go back to work 10 minutes later because a network switch failed and people couldn't access shared resources etc. >.<

vanadiel hates me...

1st Yumcax (Jul 18): Ocachi gorget: luckily I have RNG
2nd Yumcax (Jul 19): Tamaxchi: a nice Magic Acc piece, up until Soothsayer/Atinian got iLVL buffs. Too bad the only job I use that uses Magic Acc is BRD, which can't use Tamaxchi. I hear it's a decent Curing piece.
3rd Yumcax (Jul 20): Ebony Log.
1st Hurkan (Jul 22): Animikii Bullet: I hear it's good, but I don't play COR. Picked Uk'uxkaj Cap from the quest with both Wildskeeper II Key Items.
4th Yumcax (Jul 25): Pahtli Cape: muled, a Swith Cape has Fast Cast that isn't just for Cures, with spell recast reduction to boot.
2nd Hurkan (Jul 26): Tzacab Grip: iLVL weapons made this grip a pointless
5th Yumcax (Jul 27): Herb Seeds.
6th Yumcax (Jul 31): Moko Grass.
7th Yumcax (Aug 6): Herb Seeds.
3rd Hurkan (Aug 11): Animikii Bullet: good thing I muled the first bullet, or Wootz Ore would be all I got.
4th Hurkan (Aug 12): Velkk Necklace.
8th Yumcax (Aug 16): Herb Seeds.
5th Hurkan (Aug 18): Iron Sand.

Summary: I've gotten two items I'll actually use out of 13 Wildskeeper Reives, including the one you get to pick from the quest. I usually participate enough to maximize the in-BC Bayld return. Only one BC did I enter late and participate very little (Jul 27, Herb Seeds #2).

My feedback: I think a method of letting people contribute while they could, and accept reward if the fight was a success would be a great addition. I frequently see people say that they would go to Yumcax, but they couldn't stay online for how long it takes to kill it. Which means probably logging out, or going AFK and likely dieing, and auto-homepointing. Both of which mean losing your reward. If people could log out in the BC and not lose reward, a lot more would come and pitch in, knowing that leaving early would not cost them their reward and waste their bayld.

Secondly, a little more control over what reward you get would be nice. If my Ocachi Gorget had been an Ixtab, I'd be at 0 dropped items useful to me out of 13 Wildskeeper IIs, 910k Bayld, and perhaps fifty to seventy five hours of time. The quest was great to pick a useful reward, but that's only once.

Greetings,

Sorry to keep you all waiting on a reply about Wildskeeper Reives. We realize this is an important topic and Producer Akihiko Matsui has provided an update below.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Thank you for all the feedback.

Based on the opinions everyone has been posting, we've been looking into future adjustments, and I would like to share our plans with you.

Please note that this is all still in-development and there is a possibility that changes are made. Also, not everything will be added during a single version update and we appreciate your understanding.

• Learning about the state of the battle
  We'll be making it so you can confirm how many players are fighting a Naakual, how much HP the Naakual has remaining, and how fast a Naakual's HP is falling by checking the entrance to each Naakual.
  
  Additionally, as a Naakual's strength varies depending on the colonization rate, we'll also be making it possible to check the Naakual's content level at the time. We'll be making it possible to check content levels not only for Naakuals, but for Skirmish and Delve as well in a similar fashion.
  
  These features are scheduled to be implemented during the fall version update.
  
  
• Treasures
  Currently, in addition to obtaining rewards directly from defeating a Naakual, it's possible to obtain an item of your choice after fulfilling certain requirements for the Celennia Memorial Library. However, we'll be adding yet another way to obtain Naakual items by fulfilling requirements in content that is to be added in the future.
  
  We'll also be adding geomancy and other magic scrolls, coupons you can use to exchange for Bayld, and other items that have a bit more value to the current material slot.
  
  
• Plans to maintain participation
  Once you've managed to procure all of the rewards from Naakuals, there will no longer be a reason to fight Naakuals, and as such the battles for others who have yet to fight them will become difficult. With that said, we will be creating goals to accomplish for people who have already collected Naakual items, so they continue to challenge these foes.
  
  To do this, we'll be adding new equipment and making it possible to revamp your Naakual equipment. We'll also be revamping the level design when a new Naakual comes out.

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Additionally, below is an update about using Tractor during wildskeeper reives.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.

I have some information to share about changes to how Tractor functions.

To start off, during the fall version update we plan on making it so while in wildskeeper reives only an area change will not take place when receiving the effects of Tractor.

Now, I’m sure many of you are thinking, “Only wildskeeper reives?”

Due to the fact that Tractor will pull a character to a player designated location, testing in every nook and cranny of the map is necessary as the possibility for bugs will become increasingly high. Because of this, we’d like to test carefully and implement this bit by bit to prevent bugs from cropping up due to the change in how this spell functions. We appreciate your understanding on this.

As long as no problems occur with wildskeeper reives, we plan on expanding this to other content as well, so if you have any feedback as to what content you would like to see this in, please let us know!

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Love the ideas around rewards. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Now let's take a look at those lists and see which items from the second list are better than the items from the first list.
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Well, that's a short list.

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Ignorance does not make you correct.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Ignorance does not make you correct.

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Umm since we're just making insults uhh... Your face. There, I win.

PS. Did the 2 idiots who liked his post actually go back 10 pages to figure out what he replied to? Because it's pretty irrelevant now. Or, do you just click like on anyone who disagrees with me (it's great to have fans)?

The plans to have other ways to get the naakual items is good provided it isn't also just a 1 shot deal. Adding more dropslots to existing ones will just exacerbate the problem though

I've killed Yumcax 20 times. I've received gorget or a terrible cape that has absolutely no uses all but one time. When I say a terrible cape that has 0 uses I'm not referring to a jse cape like bane, but the pahtli cape. In fact I'd be happy if I got a jse cape at this point. The one time I didn't receive a gorget or a pahtli cape, I received nothing. Since then I started tossing the gorget and pahtli cape and continue to get them. The excessively bad luck is starting to become truly frustrating.

It's pretty decent for cures

It's a good cape, just like the Hurkan bullet is a good bullet. It's still the Pixie earring of WKR drops.

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Originally Posted by detlef

It's a good cape, just like the Hurkan bullet is a good bullet. It's still the Pixie earring of WKR drops.

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Best way to put it, right there. It might be good enough to make use of, but that doesn't make it any less a let down when you fight the NM for your 30th time only to walk away with it again while never having seen your truly great gear drop.

Well ... after spending a few hours of my time doing Hurkan for the third time (getting bullet and grip first two times), and spending 65k bayld on a pop, I was granted the ultimate of gifts. It was ... part iron ... part sand ... could it be!???

IRON SAND!!!

Woot, I feel so accomplished. Thank you SE for wasting my time once again, absolutely love it. I don't care that I didn't get a Scythe, Axe, Hat or Boots from this, because the Iron Sand will keep me happy for a long time.

I have had so much fun today, I don't think I can bring myself to go back until Wildskeepers are changed, otherwise I may have some kind of overload! I just can't understand why people are doing these reives less and less nowadays despite the huge colonization rates! You got to be crazy not to want some Iron Sand!

They need to make the quest in the Library repeatable, ensuring rewards for all participants. I'd think a reset each conquest tally would be appropriate.

Iron sand!?! YOu lucky dog. I keep getting pebbles lol

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Originally Posted by dasva

The plans to have other ways to get the naakual items is good provided it isn't also just a 1 shot deal. Adding more drop slots to existing ones will just exacerbate the problem though

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Adding more drop slots will just mean more synthesis materials, when SE say you're guaranteed a drop it just means 100% synthesis items.

The stupid thing about all of these systems for giving us drops is that just like VW & WoE, only the first item matters so far as the real rewards go, after that every single item you get is nothing but crafting items, and since everyone is getting the same junk, its never going to amount to anything.

Something really has to be done about the drop conditions for these, i just got my 6th 50k Bayld Pebble.. i have had 0 capes and 0 drops from my last 6 Hurkan runs. Why cant there be a KI exchange system, kind of like NNI, Kill it, get your KI, go exchange it for something you want. I have no issue with the farming Bayld part but getting a group together to do these things when you have less than 700 people on the server at any given time is no easy task and when you get nothing at the end of it, it makes it pointless doing it at all.

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Originally Posted by Kouryuu

Something really has to be done about the drop conditions for these, i just got my 6th 50k Bayld Pebble.. i have had 0 capes and 0 drops from my last 6 Hurkan runs. Why cant there be a KI exchange system, kind of like NNI, Kill it, get your KI, go exchange it for something you want. I have no issue with the farming Bayld part but getting a group together to do these things when you have less than 700 people on the server at any given time is no easy task and when you get nothing at the end of it, it makes it pointless doing it at all.

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Besides: There are still people out there who NEED these, but no one want to do them anymore because they dont get a reward. Foret de Hennetiel is like once in a month on Asura, Yumcax maybe twice because people hope they might get something... Achuka ist abandoned, Hurkan.. maybe twice a month too. If you really plan on doing these for the first time "now" ..you have to be online 24/7 because you might gonna miss it and then have to wait another month or 2 ..

Thats the facts + very poor loot / rewards = abandoned WSR and very unhappy Players

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Originally Posted by Sesono

Besides: There are still people out there who NEED these, but no one want to do them anymore because they dont get a reward. Foret de Hennetiel is like once in a month on Asura, Yumcax maybe twice because people hope they might get something... Achuka ist abandoned, Hurkan.. maybe twice a month too. If you really plan on doing these for the first time "now" ..you have to be online 24/7 because you might gonna miss it and then have to wait another month or 2 ..

Thats the facts + very poor loot / rewards = abandoned WSR and very unhappy Players

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I think more ppl would be willing to do WKR or help other's WKR if KI isn't that expensive. Make KI free, you'd see players do WKR for bayld.

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Originally Posted by Afania

help other's

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People do this?

i think the problem lies with maybe they think their servers are still decently populated not realizing a 3rd of the people in most city zones are mules. need a merger and more incentive to wanna waste more hours on not worthwhile events

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Originally Posted by Soraishin

i think the problem lies with maybe they think their servers are still decently populated not realizing a 3rd of the people in most city zones are mules. need a merger and more incentive to wanna waste more hours on not worthwhile events

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And a 3rd of the people not in cities are fish-bots, that SE has completely failed to do anything about.

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Originally Posted by Kouryuu

Something really has to be done about the drop conditions for these, i just got my 6th 50k Bayld Pebble.. i have had 0 capes and 0 drops from my last 6 Hurkan runs. Why cant there be a KI exchange system, kind of like NNI, Kill it, get your KI, go exchange it for something you want. I have no issue with the farming Bayld part but getting a group together to do these things when you have less than 700 people on the server at any given time is no easy task and when you get nothing at the end of it, it makes it pointless doing it at all.

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The last Hurkan we did, 2/3 of the tells from /yelling for players to join, resulted in "let me know when it's at 50%" or "I just need win, can you tell me when it's at 10%".

Unfortunately, not everyone just wanted to AFK. I'd say that the first 10-20% when there was just 10 ppl went much smoother than the rest of the fight when there were a load of idiots turned up, MPKing adds onto the SMNs etc. etc.

And please, if you're going to do this on PUP, learn how to shed your enmity before you choose to run in for WS now and again. Getting enmity, then standing with the mages and wondering why NM keeps coming over and 1-shotting the mages is bad.

i just done my 8th kill on Hurkan. but get this.. i didnt get a pebble!!!! i got a darksteel ore!!! 8 kills, no axe, no capes.. just crap. Sad thing is.. i know damned well there are people out there doing the exact same thing or worse.

Killed Hurkan again last night with 12 people in our alliance, and maybe a couple of stragglers that came later and didn't ask for an invite. 3 x PLD, 2 of whom had Aegis. Easy fight took less than 2 hours. (1:30-1:45)

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Killed Hurkan again last night with 12 people in our alliance, and maybe a couple of stragglers that came later and didn't ask for an invite. 3 x PLD, 2 of whom had Aegis. Easy fight took less than 2 hours. (1:30-1:45)

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Congratulations. You hit the lottery. Go buy an island or something.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Congratulations. You hit the lottery. Go buy an island or something.

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I just put it there just to show that you don't need a million people to spam this. It's not that hard, and we didn't even bother with his aura. Colonisation rate was at 100% though, which helps immensely.

Yumcax yesterday with 26% CR absolutely sucked.

But thanks for your incredibly useful comment^^

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

I just put it there just to show that you don't need a million people to spam this. It's not that hard, and we didn't even bother with his aura. Colonisation rate was at 100% though, which helps immensely.

Yumcax yesterday with 26% CR absolutely sucked.

But thanks for your incredibly useful comment^^

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It was about as useful as yours. You basically popped in and said "I'm lucky and you're not...". Did you really expect to start some meaningful dialect with that?

Her post was more like 'I lowmaned it a few days ago, so if you want your gear, its possible so long as idiots don't mess it up for you' but that's just my take on it.

Greetings, everyone.

We understand that wildskeeper reives have been a big topic on the forums for quite some time now and we are please to share that in the November version update we will be making quite a few adjustments to the system. Please read the details of the plans below from Akihiko Matsui.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.

I'd like to inform you all of the adjustments that will be made to wildskeeper reives during the November version update.

• Addition of new wildskeeper reives
  In the November version update new areas will be added and new Naakuals will be introduced. These new Naakuals will be the same content level (16) as the wildskeeper reives for Marjami Ravine and Yorcia Weald.

• Readjustments to content level for existing wildskeeper reives
  As the wildskeeper reives for Ceizak Battlegrounds, Foret de Hennetiel, and Morimar Basalt Fields were implemented at the start, the content level and item level for the rewards are comparatively lower.
  Currently, the attractiveness of the rewards for these reives is being stolen away by the addition of Bayld items with high item levels, so we will be increasing the content level of these wildskeeper reives to match that of Marjami Ravine and Yorcia Weald (content level 16) and we will be adding new rewards.

• Easing of participation requirements
  As the nature of wildskeeper reives is content where a large amount of players challenged a powerful monster, we would like to make it easier to participate in this content and we will standardizing the Bayld required to participate for all wildskeeper reives. Additionally we will be lowering the amount needed.
  
  Also, in order to make it so coalition ranks and fame have larger effects on the reduction of the Bayld cost, we will be adjusting the reduction table.
  *The final reduction rate will be the same as it is now (50%), but we will be adjusting the rates for ranks and fame so lower ranks and fame will still largely reduce the cost.

• Reward item additions and changes
  The reward items for the current wildskeeper reives are mostly rare/ex, and in the case you already possess an item it will appear as if you received nothing if the same item drops for you again.
  
  To eliminate this and make it so every time you participate you receive a reward, we will be adding new accessories that are not rare/ex, the job specific back pieces you can obtain from Marjami Ravine and Yorcia Weald reives, and other items as new rewards.
  
  Also, we will be removing certain material items from the reward list and swapping in magic scrolls amongst other drop item changes and adjustments.

• Adjustments to the weakening of Naakuals through the colonization rate
  Currently, certain wildskeeper reive battles can be very long because the colonization rate for the respective area is low making it difficult to fight the Naakual, so we will be adjusting the weakening of Naakuals through colonization rate. To give you a specific example, we will be making adjustments so their strength is what it would be currently at an 80% colonization rate when it's at 40%.

The development team has been looking into the requests we’ve received to add a method to guarantee item acquisition depending on the number of times you fight. However, considering the amount of people that are needed to participate in a wildskeeper reive, if we were to introduce a system like this that would allow you obtain a certain item by repeating the battle, we would have to set the number of battles quite high, and this would not get rid of the dissatisfaction about rewards while doing wildskeeper reives. Therefore, we decided to hold off on implementing this.

Instead of making wildskeeper reives content where you continue to do it aiming for certain equipment, we are striving to make this content casual in style where you can receive some kind of reward for participating by removing the barriers and making it easier to repeat. We will continue to make adjustments to this content moving forward as well.

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Making the "trade 3 Wildkeepers Reive KIs = pick an item of your choices" repeatable once per week would be a good choice and balanced because of the once per week limit.

You guys should seriously re-think about adding this possibility instead of making it only a one-time reward from the Celennia Memorial Library.

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Instead of making wildskeeper reives content where you continue to do it aiming for certain equipment, we are striving to make this content casual in style where you can receive some kind of reward for participating by removing the barriers and making it easier to repeat. We will continue to make adjustments to this content moving forward as well.

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Make WK reives drop pouches of Heavy metal plates, riftcinder, riftdross, etc. - would make them worth repeating.

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Originally Posted by larrymc

Make WK reives drop pouches of Heavy metal plates, riftcinder, riftdross, etc. - would make them worth repeating.

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Holy crap, yes!! I know it's going to be nice to see a semi revival of vw with weapon revamps, but it will also be nice to have another option than vw.

Yeah the whole adding more drops to the pool doesn't fix the probably it actually makes it worse for the item you are trying to get if they share a slot. A simple reroll if it comes out to an item you have would be the best fix

Neither does making some of hte new drops no ra/ex unless you make them sellable.

Yeah, what's the point of being able to hold two of the same piece of gear (aside from dual-wieldable weapons)?

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Originally Posted by detlef

Yeah, what's the point of being able to hold two of the same piece of gear (aside from dual-wieldable weapons)?

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I've re-read it a few times now. I don't see anything saying they are removing the rare/ex tag off naakaul gear. They did say they are adding new accessories that are not rare/ex.

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To eliminate this and make it so every time you participate you receive a reward, we will be adding new accessories that are not rare/ex, the job specific back pieces you can obtain from Marjami Ravine and Yorcia Weald reives, and other items as new rewards.

Also, we will be removing certain material items from the reward list and swapping in magic scrolls amongst other drop item changes and adjustments.

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I think this is a good thing, I've stated in other threads how much I love WKRs and this just makes it that much better. we criticize SE for everything they do bad in the game, I think they deserve a high five when they get something right, and this is definitely getting something right, especially after fucking so much shit up with this expansion to date

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

I've re-read it a few times now. I don't see anything saying they are removing the rare/ex tag off naakaul gear. They did say they are adding new accessories that are not rare/ex.

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That's a fair point. I was going off an earlier translation of Matsui's post that specifically stated that the rare attribute would be removed.

can't we already obtain the JSE capes off Hurkan and Yumcax?

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

I've re-read it a few times now. I don't see anything saying they are removing the rare/ex tag off naakaul gear. They did say they are adding new accessories that are not rare/ex.

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An earlier translation said it... and sometimes player translations of jp are better than the official english translation. That said either way the point still stands. Unless they make them sellable what is the point of making these new accessories non ra/ex?