Down with Gear Swapping!

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

He said serious intent. Anyone who came in to talk down about gear swapping, or to try and defend gear swapping in a serious manner got wooshed really really hard by the OP.

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I would prefer people posting seriously with some intent than just blanket insults.

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Originally Posted by Cyx

I should have said "with a serious intent to voice there opinion about gear swapping". I'll call myself an idiot I don't mind, but it is quit obvious when Nid, RichardNixon or any other troll on this site posts a thread about something incredibly troll worthy and over 100 people are dumb enough to reply to it like it is real. People need to wake up.

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Well I happen to think the discussion about gear swapping and how to improve the system is probably my most number 1 issue i wish Square would address right now, so I don't think it's idiotic to talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Cyx

I should have said "with a serious intent to voice there opinion about gear swapping". I'll call myself an idiot I don't mind, but it is quit obvious when Nid, RichardNixon or any other troll on this site posts a thread about something incredibly troll worthy and over 100 people are dumb enough to reply to it like it is real. People need to wake up.

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I think they're doing us a great public service. Some people really are bad enough at FFXI to think gear swapping needs to go. Posting these troll treads allow the general FFXI populace to identify these players so we know who never to take to anything remotely serious in the future. Darwinism, etc.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I would prefer people posting seriously with some intent than just blanket insults.

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You'd prefer serious conversations about something that was put in the game for a reason? I can see it now, the huge debate on how White Mages only really need 1 cure spell and all the rest are a waste of space. Or, how about how SE should only make 1 DD and get rid of the rest. If you think about it there is no reason to have more than 1 melee job.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I think they're doing us a great public service. Some people really are bad enough at FFXI to think gear swapping needs to go. Posting these troll treads allow the general FFXI populace to identify these players so we know who never to take to anything remotely serious in the future. Darwinism, etc.

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To be honest, I didn't even bother to read the OP. The thread was 11+ pages when I first saw it, and I sure didn't expect the thread to still be on-topic after so many pages.

But yeah, you're right. The OP is a clear troll. Brb combing my hair.

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Originally Posted by Jalserba_Darkwood

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

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I agree :) If you use alot of macros to swap gear and a specfic mage is having problems healing you stay in the specific gear you have on so they can heal you this is another way to help them till you get cure bombed. Knowing how specific heals works I have made peoples names on them dependant if they where a mp sponge to further help me with this. But use the swap with good judgment is a good rule of thumb... sure it can bring greatness,.,,,, also your death to a inexperianced healer who keeps losing target of you .... If this happens adjust you play to them so they can target you while weak. Rember FFXI isnt how great you are..... Its the people around you that make you great as a team and how you work with them <3

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I think they're doing us a great public service. Some people really are bad enough at FFXI to think gear swapping needs to go. Posting these troll treads allow the general FFXI populace to identify these players so we know who never to take to anything remotely serious in the future. Darwinism, etc.

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I agree. These people need to let other ppl on their server know that they can't main heal because someone is blinking too much.

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Originally Posted by Cyx

You'd prefer serious conversations about something that was put in the game for a reason? I can see it now, the huge debate on how White Mages only really need 1 cure spell and all the rest are a waste of space. Or, how about how SE should only make 1 DD and get rid of the rest. If you think about it there is no reason to have more than 1 melee job.

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There are some very big problems with the way gear-swapping is handled in this game, and they do need to be flushed out and fixed in my opinion. The inventory space thing is just one of many things that were discussed in this thread, and not one i even bothered to dwell on or one that interests me - if that's what you were trying to elude to with your comment.

The fact it floods your battle log with useless annoying spam and causes players to blink on and off constantly canceling your target is what bugs me. The iventory issue, not so much.

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

I agree. These people need to let other ppl on their server know that they can't main heal because someone is blinking too much.

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The blinking crap is stupid and annoying. I don't care what you and your allys think :)

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

I agree. These people need to let other ppl on their server know that they can't main heal because someone is blinking too much.

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This is no joke. If you are a healer and blame the DD for dieing because you couldn't target them you are a joke. Anticipation to attacks makes for a good healer/player not retaliation.

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

Forget the past. Ignore the future. Enjoy the present. still incorrect :|. we dont really need to rid of gear swapping, why is this thread still up?

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RIGHT ON TEARVALERIN AT IT AGAIN!!!

Cyx has it right. If you are a healer blaming DD for dying "because they blink" then please don't play a healer job. Problem solved, all this annoying whining goes away. I would rather SE look into bigger and better things than listening to people who are too mentally challenged to use proper macros.

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Originally Posted by Henihhi

Cyx has it right. If you are a healer blaming DD for dying "because they blink" then please don't play a healer job. Problem solved, all this annoying whining goes away. I would rather SE look into bigger and better things than listening to people who are too mentally challenged to use proper macros.

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It's not just with heals. It's anything that requires targeting. And exepcting people to create a seperate macro for everythign they do just so you can avoid having your target suddenly canceled on the whim of someone else is too much of an inconvience, i'm sorry.

If it was just with healing spells alone, then yes - it woudn't be a huge problem. But it isn't. This is a false debate, this whole healing thing. A non-issue for people to seize onto and call people names over.

I honestly cannot see why people would assume I'm trolling, perhaps my lack of posting on the boards because I don't have a lot of free time to actually sit down and post daily.

I do use my Murgleis over my Excalibur, I think that when I hit Aftermath Lv.3 its a stronger weapon then Excalibur, not to mention my Death Blossom is much stronger then my KoR will ever be whenever I use it, I'm strongly against gear swapping because I think its absolutely useless! I could carry more meds with me, more pop items, and hold more pop items if need when I do events, I've got 18/20 jobs to 90 with them all geared, and I've given up with gear swapping about 2 years ago because its just not worth the benefit and I don't notice a decrease in my characters performance.

If I'm planning to play DD I grab all my haste gear, if I'm planning to Mage I grab all my Cure gear, If I'm going to be Nuking well thankfully I've got Laevateinn recently to 90 and it pulls ahead over those silly staves everyone is working their tail off attempting to build.

:( I'm not a troll and I'm strongly against Gear Swapping, and I do understand the game mechanics but the marginal increase that swapping from one piece of gear to another during a weapon skill is so minimal in my eyes that its not worth the inventory -1 and I'd rather give it to someone else who thinks they would utilize it better.

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Originally Posted by Nidhogg

I honestly cannot see why people would assume I'm trolling, perhaps my lack of posting on the boards because I don't have a lot of free time to actually sit down and post daily.

I do use my Murgleis over my Excalibur, I think that when I hit Aftermath Lv.3 its a stronger weapon then Excalibur, not to mention my Death Blossom is much stronger then my KoR will ever be whenever I use it, I'm strongly against gear swapping because I think its absolutely useless! I could carry more meds with me, more pop items, and hold more pop items if need when I do events, I've got 18/20 jobs to 90 with them all geared, and I've given up with gear swapping about 2 years ago because its just not worth the benefit and I don't notice a decrease in my characters performance.

If I'm planning to play DD I grab all my haste gear, if I'm planning to Mage I grab all my Cure gear, If I'm going to be Nuking well thankfully I've got Laevateinn recently to 90 and it pulls ahead over those silly staves everyone is working their tail off attempting to build.

:( I'm not a troll and I'm strongly against Gear Swapping, and I do understand the game mechanics but the marginal increase that swapping from one piece of gear to another during a weapon skill is so minimal in my eyes that its not worth the inventory -1 and I'd rather give it to someone else who thinks they would utilize it better.

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You have a different opinion than them Nidhogg. Therefore you are either an idiot or trolling. Haven't you learned this yet? :) (That was sarcasm in case you could not tell)

That being said I do have to disagree with you though. I think swapping gear is worth it for the increase in performance, else believe you me, i woudn't be doing it, as it annoys the living _____ out of me. I think what it adds to your character is very significant.

They will never remove gear swapping. I agree though it makes absolutely no sense why in game a monster would wait while you switch armor belts and shoes. I also tend to enjoy gear swaps for the extra damage. I do think your trolling though, either that or are just trying to brag of the weapons you claim to have. If you do have them good for you but don't need to knock gear swaps for it,

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Originally Posted by Nidhogg

I honestly cannot see why people would assume I'm trolling, perhaps my lack of posting on the boards because I don't have a lot of free time to actually sit down and post daily.

I do use my Murgleis over my Excalibur, I think that when I hit Aftermath Lv.3 its a stronger weapon then Excalibur, not to mention my Death Blossom is much stronger then my KoR will ever be whenever I use it, I'm strongly against gear swapping because I think its absolutely useless! I could carry more meds with me, more pop items, and hold more pop items if need when I do events, I've got 18/20 jobs to 90 with them all geared, and I've given up with gear swapping about 2 years ago because its just not worth the benefit and I don't notice a decrease in my characters performance.

If I'm planning to play DD I grab all my haste gear, if I'm planning to Mage I grab all my Cure gear, If I'm going to be Nuking well thankfully I've got Laevateinn recently to 90 and it pulls ahead over those silly staves everyone is working their tail off attempting to build.

:( I'm not a troll and I'm strongly against Gear Swapping, and I do understand the game mechanics but the marginal increase that swapping from one piece of gear to another during a weapon skill is so minimal in my eyes that its not worth the inventory -1 and I'd rather give it to someone else who thinks they would utilize it better.

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Nidhogg, you so silly.

Everyone knows you don't need any weapon other than Spike Flail.

Oh god I just now noticed the spike flail pic was your signature. I thought you were just endlessly showcasing a lackluster performance.

If you really want to make sure the spell goes off you can always resort to using up all your macro books by making PC slot spells.

/ma "spell" <##>

where <##> = <p0> - <p5> ~ <a10> - <a15> ~ <a20> - <a25>

Although I wouldn't, it is an option to make sure the spell goes of regardless of you or others flashing.

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Originally Posted by Dale

It's not just with heals. It's anything that requires targeting. And exepcting people to create a seperate macro for everythign they do just so you can avoid having your target suddenly canceled on the whim of someone else is too much of an inconvience, i'm sorry.

If it was just with healing spells alone, then yes - it woudn't be a huge problem. But it isn't. This is a false debate, this whole healing thing. A non-issue for people to seize onto and call people names over.

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you dont need to have macros for everything you do, just the important stuff.

Lol you should see how many macros i have for whm rdm blm brd mnk etc- and making them all took a whole 30 minutes out of my day. Whining about this is sheer laziness. If you can't heal through blinks or dd with target switching then you fail. It is very simple. I mean seriously reading this crap has made me realize just how fail most people are. Gear swaps have been here since the beginning, do they suck? yes. Did se give us a way to deal with them? yes. So what the hell is the issue

..... I think my IQ just dropped.

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Originally Posted by Invasion

..... I think my IQ just dropped.

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I IQ dropped my think.

What the.. i don't even...

I always thought gear swapping added a level of complexity to the game

game would be much more boring without it.

I guess their IQ drops when reading actual sentences and not whining to SE to keep handing out candy. Sorry for being so articulate <oops big word> Next time i will type it out in first grade level sentences so all of you can understand.

Heni, we (at least I) weren't aiming that at you. My Troll picture was an answer to the question you posed. This thread is stupid. I was agreeing with you.

Oh lol my bad. /smiley face Here's a nice video for everyone for a few lols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCgx8zM3woQ

Deleted my troll picture but aren't closing this thread that isn't constructive? Really? This thread is about removing something from the game, synonymous with destruction. Destruction being the opposite of Construction. Seriously, close this thread if you are going to delete my post calling this topic a troll topic, cause it is.

Maybe SE can come up with a filter or configuration that we can set to on/off that does not update PC gear changes unless that person goes out of range or something. Maybe similar to the Reduced Animation configuration.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

you dont need to have macros for everything you do, just the important stuff.

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I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just not true.

I have played with people who gear swap like it's a compulsion. I would have had to create a macro for just about every ability i use to have prevent my target from being canceled. It depends on the extent the people you are with use the technique, and I think a lot of the people pretending this isn't a big deal and just useless whining have been lucky enough not to party with people who use it like a compulsive habit.

It's just irritating. I already have a zillion macros. I really don't have the room or the head to use a zillion more.

I gear swap a ton myself, but only with gear that doesn't cause the blink effect. Why? Because i know how annoying it is I don't want to drive other players nuts. Be nice if everyone else would afford the same courtesy.

I would only swap gear during a fight that causes the "blink" effect for rare actions you don't use very often - otherwise the annoyance you will cause others will far outweight the benefits gained IMHO.

This is a real problem and Square should get around to doing something about it that doesn't involve having to make 50 extra macros so I can spend more time flipping through rows of macros than I do actually enjoying the game. Perhaps they should simply add this <stal> command or w/e into the coding of the game so that the command is automatically used with all targeted spells and ablities. I don't know enough about programming to know if that's a realistic solution or not, but it is one idea.

And then there is the spam issue also, flooding my battle log with this annoying yellow message telling me something i already know. That needs to be fixed also, and is just as irritating as the "blink" crap. Gear-swapping during battle has just become too big a part of FF 11's accepted game play for it to be as clunky as it is today. It's time it got some refinements.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just not true.

I have played with people who gear swap like it's a compulsion. I would have had to create a macro for just about every ability i use to have prevent my target from being canceled. It depends on the extent the people you are with use the technique, and I think a lot of the people pretending this isn't a big deal and just useless whining have been lucky enough not to party with people who use it like a compulsive habit.

It's just irritating. I already have a zillion macros. I really don't have the room or the head to use a zillion more.

I gear swap a ton myself, but only with gear that doesn't cause the blink effect. Why? Because i know how annoying it is I don't want to drive other players nuts. Be nice if everyone else would afford the same courtesy.

I would only swap gear during a fight that causes the "blink" effect for rare actions you don't use very often - otherwise the annoyance you will cause others will far outweight the benefits gained IMHO.

This is a real problem and Square should get around to doing something about it that doesn't involve having to make 50 extra macros so I can spend more time flipping through rows of macros than I do actually enjoying the game.

And then there is the spam issue also, flooding my battle log with this annoying yellow message telling me something i already know. That needs to be fixed also, and is just as irritating as the "blink" crap. Gear-swapping during battle has just become too big a part of FF 11's accepted game play for it to be as clunky as it is today. It's time it got some refinements.

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as DRG... I gear swap for WS (twice actually) for healing breath, for jumps, and for when I go in and out of battle (I have some of that dusk crap) and none of the mages in my LS ever complain or have a problem healing me.

as DNC it is even worse, I gear swap for everything I do. The only job that is one of my three mains that I dont geaerswap on is PUP, but that is only level 40 or so.

it is all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

as DRG... I gear swap for WS (twice actually) for healing breath, for jumps, and for when I go in and out of battle (I have some of that dusk crap) and none of the mages in my LS ever complain or have a problem healing me.

as DNC it is even worse, I gear swap for everything I do. The only job that is one of my three mains that I dont geaerswap on is PUP, but that is only level 40 or so.

it is all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands.

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Just because they aren't complaining doesn't mean it's not driving them nuts :)

And it's not all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands. It is about a broken system that needs to be tweaked in a more appropriate way. It may not bother you having to create a macro for every single abilty you use that requires targeting, but a lot of us are going to think that's unreasonable.

They also need to get rid of the annoying yellow spam.

Fact of the thread/OP: They want to REMOVE gear swapping. This is why this thread is a waste of space and needs to be deleted. Is there really an argument on this? I can see the argument about a change being made but, come on, this thread is not a solution, nor is it a change, they just want gear swapping removed so they can think they're as good as everyone else, this thread is part of the problem if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Fact of the thread/OP: They want to REMOVE gear swapping. This is why this thread is a waste of space and needs to be deleted. Is there really an argument on this? I can see the argument about a change being made but, come on, this thread is not a solution, nor is it a change, they just want gear swapping removed so they can think they're as good as everyone else, this thread is part of the problem if you ask me.

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Well like I said earlier, this is a big issue for me. So i'm going to seize onto any thread I can to repeatidly make my points on how the system needs to be fixed and why. It's really the main reason I came onto these forums to begin with be honest, and maybe if i fuss about it long enough SE will get tired of hearing my mouth and do something about it :)

So hopefully you are wrong and this thread will be part of the solution, not the problem.

But Zyeriis, if you hate the thread so much, just don't post in it anymore and ignore it. Issue solved. I don't see why it seems to bother you so much.

It's not something you are being forced to endure, unlike the horride equipment changing system on this game, which I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Most people would say stpt and stal were SE's "doing something about it".

I actually can understand why people don't want to use stal, but you can still work around it. Stop using <t> macros, even with <st> macros (which I use, gogo healing magic skillups on undead) or <stpc> macros (IE haste or protect outside of alliance) if you really get stuck, you target yourself and use the blue arrow to hit the blinker. With any sort of reasonable reaction time, you can catch them np.

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Originally Posted by Vyvian

Most people would say stpt and stal were SE's "doing something about it".

I actually can understand why people don't want to use stal, but you can still work around it. Stop using <t> macros, even with <st> macros (which I use, gogo healing magic skillups on undead) or <stpc> macros (IE haste or protect outside of alliance) if you really get stuck, you target yourself and use the blue arrow to hit the blinker. With any sort of reasonable reaction time, you can catch them np.

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You are missing the point. It is having to use macros at all. If you are playing with someone who spams gear changes every few seconds it makes any manual action a pain in the ____ to do. That's just not acceptable, and any game-play element that compromises the entire default system of using spells and abilities needs to be adjusted.

But yes, adding <stal> was doing something i suppose, but wasn't enough IMHO, and I would ask for a more comprehensive appraoch to fixing it, not some half-___ work around.

There is also the issue of that annoying yellow spam that floods your battle log as well, which is equally an issue for me - though no one ever seems to mention that, which makes me suspect the motives of thsoe who are disagreeing with me and who keep praising the integrity of a flawed system. Let's be careful we don't argue just for the sake of argument and admit when there is a design flaw that needs to be fixed. Else what is the point of these forums.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Well like I said earlier, this is a big issue for me. So i'm going to seize onto any thread I can to repeatidly make my points on how the system needs to be fixed and why. It's really the main reason I came onto these forums to begin with be honest, and maybe if i fuss about it long enough SE will get tired of hearing my mouth and do something about it :)

So hopefully you are wrong and this thread will be part of the solution, not the problem.

But Zyeriis, if you hate the thread so much, just don't post in it anymore and ignore it. Issue solved. I don't see why it seems to bother you so much.

It's not something you are being forced to endure, unlike the horride equipment changing system on this game, which I have to deal with on a daily basis.

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I'm essentially telling you to make another thread for this very reason. One could view this as helpful. Even if what you are saying is plausibly constructive, the basis of the thread is not. It would be easier to get your idea accepted in a new thread that isn't as negatively viewed as this one, wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

I'm essentially telling you to make another thread for this very reason. One could view this as helpful. Even if what you are saying is plausibly constructive, the basis of the thread is not. It would be easier to get your idea accepted in a new thread that isn't as negatively viewed as this one, wouldn't it?

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Maybe, but I've already made several threads. Probably tomorrow i'll make another one, but I like to space them out so I'm not accused of spamming.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Just because they aren't complaining doesn't mean it's not driving them nuts :)

And it's not all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands. It is about a broken system that needs to be tweaked in a more appropriate way. It may not bother you having to create a macro for every single abilty you use that requires targeting, but a lot of us are going to think that's unreasonable.

They also need to get rid of the annoying yellow spam.

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my LS is actually honest to each other, and they where the ones to teach me gear swapping in the first place.

again learn to use STPT and STAL on your most important spells, and there wont be a problem.

again you don't have to macro everything, just use STPT for the "life saving" stuff