Time Mage

Time mage also takes half as long to level. lol

Lol thanks King that's very appreciated coming from someone with alot of talent. I am pretty sure you have the same views as me since you seem to be a artistic perfectionist as well. But you notice when your drawing alot of times your stuff just looks like garbage to you XD?

esh, i'm not sure how time mage could fit into the scheme of things even if they wanted to implement it.

It would fit in they would just to have to find the hook for Time Mage or the unique set up as they would call it.

Bumped and updated!

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Ok, from reading your last post, you could just say "Give that to *blank* job" or "*Blank* job does that" lol but FFXI already has mages that share the same spells so that's nothing new^^ I just knew you'd ask this question even before reading your following post, so I took the liberty of brainstorming some possibles. Again the purpose of this is to just begin the thought process of what role a Time Mage could actually play in FFXI, so it's not to say there aren't better ideas or spells that can follow. I pray you to have an open mind about all this lol. Here goes:
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Battle Related Spells:

Pull- increases the enmity of the party member standing in front of you.
Push- reduces the enmity of the party member standing in front of you.
Expand- deals compression damage to the target and reduces the amount of TP gained by the target and movement speed
Contract- deals compression damage to the target and reduces a targets attack damage and defense
Implode- deals compression damage to the target and may cause amnesia
Stretch- deals compression damage to the target and increases the potency of piercing damage
Bend- deals compression damage to the target and increases the potency of blunt damage
Tear- deals compression damage to the target and increases the potency of slashing damage
Snap- deals compression damage to the target and increases the potency of all damage types
Twist- deals compression damage to the target lowers magic defense
Fold- deals compression damage to the target. May double physical and magic damage inflicted on a target
Shape(circle,triangle,square,flat)- deals compression damage to the target. May triple physical and magic damage inflited on a target. Circle: may triple piercing dmg Triangle:may triple slashing dmg, Square:may triple blunt dmg, Flat:may triple magic dmg
Collide- deals compression damage to the target and smashes a target into another near by enemy.
Crush- deals compression damage to an enemy and lowers it's attack speed
Bury- deals compression damage to an enemy and blinds the target
Uproot- deals compression damage to an enemy and chokes the target

Enhancing Spells
Float- raises a party member just above reach of an attacking monster for a short time(would look like the animation for "Jump" and cause a monster to miss 3 melee rounds)
Fly- raises a party member high above reach of an attacking monster for a short time(would look like the animation for "High Jump" and cause a monster to miss 4 melee rounds)
Reflect- Cancels a enemy's attack towards a target yet returns it upon the enemy.
Heavy Weight - -5% attack speed, increases attack dmg while reducing subtle blow.
Light Weight- +5% attack speed, increases subtle blow while reducing attack dmg.
Blood flow- halves the duration of an enfeebling effect.
Invisible Wall- reduces the chance of being detected by sight.
Silent Ground- reduces the chance of being detected by sound.
Odor Bubble - reduces the chance of being detected by smell.
Crystal Wall- Absorbs a certain amount of damage from physical and magical attacks
Crystal Spikes- Covers you with magical Air spikes. Enemies that hit you take piercing damage.
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And this is just dealing with the whole "Physical Space" control thing lol!! Ok, now... again, these are just concepts of how these mages could help out a party scenario, so there would be plenty of other areas to shine in with some thought. Honestly I wasn't really sure why I kept seeing the term "Time Mage" on different message boards, but after thinking about it, these mages would be awesome to have in a party if they had spells like the ones above lol.

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Demi -Dark (element not skill) based elemental damage spell, like lightning or fire but darkness element.
Stop - Bind + Paralyze
Mute - Silencega
Xfer - Removes Elemental Resistances (or decreases it)
Lock - Lowers enemies Evasion (that's all it does)
Rub - Death Equivalent, It rubs out their existance.
Fear - Makes the enemy unable to attack, low success rate.
Mini - Shrinks the enemy, lowers attack and defense, but the enemy can still cast magic.
Frog - Turns enemy into a Frog (Poroggo) and charms them for a few seconds.
Berserk - Enrages one enemy, and increases it's attack power and speed but the enemy is only able to use normal attacks.
Barrier - In the vein of Protect and Shell, Barrier would increase defense against all TP based attacks and weapon skills (but nothing else).
Fog/Amnesia - Makes the enemy unable to use tp attacks
Bravery - Increases target ally's physical attack power
Faith - Increases target ally's magical attack power.
Sap - Would act as Poison does, except it would affect the target's MP instead of HP
Scathe/Scourge - Much Like Blizzaga or Thundaga, this spell would be the non-elemental equivalent, dealing non-elemental damage in an Area of Effect.
Ruin/Comet - Ruin or Comet would be the single target counterpart to Scathe or Scourge, dealing non-elemental damage to a single target enemy.
Disable - Paralyze spell that has very low success rate but once landed, causes full paralysis (enemy can still move but cannot perform any actions).
Vanish - Combat Invisible spell, much like blink except it would be able to target an ally. It would give the target a third eye - like buff, they would be able to absorb the next physical attack. Would not work against magical attacks.
Old - Lowers the target's level by 1.

Edit: All of the spells I personally listed just now are pre-existing spells from other Final Fantasy games. I may have tweaked a few here and there because they'd be overpowered otherwise.

Looks great. I'd leave the Tele's out however.

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Originally Posted by Skybrit

Looks great. I'd leave the Tele's out however.

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Really ? Time Mage are usually have teleports D:!

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Originally Posted by jeffanddane

Really ? Time Mage are usually have teleports D:!

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You mean Retrace and Recall.

No like tele holla etc.

Recall and warp I think would be obvious Time Mage spells.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Time mage also takes half as long to level. lol

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No, your level 90 time mage self travels back from the future, so you're already level 90 when you unlock the job.

I know this topic is buried a few days back, but seeing how the mods/devs are replying back to some topics. I was wondering if there may be any planning for a Time Mage job or even anymore jobs in the future?

Oh, please. As explained before the idea of this particular job added is pretty much impossible. Would require a complete revamp of basically all the other mages to fit in.

They're actually planning the Time Mage job from the future.

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Oh, please. As explained before the idea of this particular job added is pretty much impossible. Would require a complete revamp of basically all the other mages to fit in.

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Because there's no overlap between other casters already!

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Originally Posted by Vortex

And RDM was never heard from again...

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lol. where's the "like" button for this comment.

Okay, here; this is what I came up with. I haven't messed with it much since the Lv75 genkai break.

—Attributes
-Hit Points
Suggested as average for any Race/Job.

-Magic Points
Very low. A Galka at Lv1 to be able to cast only one spell. MP cost of spells a little high, especially given low MP. I.E.: If a Lv1 Galka has MP6, the spell available at that level cost 5.

-Strength
Lowest of all Job/Race combinations. Lv75 individual hits not 0, but insignificant.

-Dexterity
Lowest of all Job/Race combinations.

-Agility
High for a mage (similar to Evasion).

-Mind / Intelligence
Slightly higher than Scholar (without Arts), but not near any other job.

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All Time Mage specific Spells and Abilities suggested to generate unusually high enmity, especially among Beastmen.
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—Suggested Combat Skill:
-Club: The only natural damage-related skill. Among the lowest ratings.

-Evasion
High for any job (i.e. comparable to Thief).

—Proposed Equipment:
-Weapons
A specific kind of club; only ones with very low Damage and which offer MP only or only a small boost to other attributes to be considered useless to a Time Mage (an extra point or two in Mind or Intelligence at higher than Lv15). Perhaps permit increases to Charisma and/or decreases to Enmity.

-Various Armor
Only light cloth types of robes and other equipment to offer very little Defense. Gear such as Lv29 ‘Seer’s Tunic’ which gives MP8 and healing MP+1; instead of DEF:18, here, something closer to 10 or lower.

Or, perhaps Time Mage can wear heavy armor for Lv1-5, leather type for Lv7-10, then cloth only (if only to make solo Lv1-10 possible).

Various clothing which offers large boosts to Agility.

Artifact gear that gives MP more than anything else, but also offers a reduction in Enmity; if not, then a marked increase. Gear such as to make Galka and Elvaan Race Specific Equipment better by debatable preference.

—Suggested Magic Skill:
While various spells exist that a Time Mage might have; I suggest that they be the only reason for Time Mage to have Enhancing and Enfeebling Magic skill ratings. These skills are suggested to be capped rather low. Any new spells be part of ‘Time Magic’; having a very high skill rating. (Thus, Scholar abilities for AoE will not have the opportunity to affect any Time Magic specific spells.)

Perhaps only pre-existing spells performable by Time Mage be identified as 'white' or 'black'. Perhaps the new spells’ color in menus is distinctively gray; not based on any element in the game.

—Proposed Traits:
-Existing Types
Clear Mind I; Lv33
Clear Mind II; Lv60

Evasion Bonus I; Lv25
Evasion Bonus II; Lv65

Fast Cast I; Lv15
Fast Cast II; Lv35
Fast Cast III; Lv55

Resist Gravity I; Lv20
Resist Gravity II; Lv50
Resist Gravity III; Lv75

Resist Slow I; Lv5
Resist Slow II; Lv30
Resist Slow III; Lv70
Resist Slow IV; Merit?

-Job Specific
Impel; Lv38
Could double Compel’s effects; both time removed and recast.

Drive Boost; Lv45
Doubles ALL attributes of a Drive spell; requirements, affects, possible duration.

Displace; Lv70
Permits Compel to be cast on party members; doubles recast if used. Similarly affects generated enmity.

—Proposed Job Abilities:
-Double Cast; 2-hour
Permits the Time Mage to be casting two spells simultaneously for the duration of the effect. The casting of each spell is to remain independent—in other words: the mage need not identify a pair of spells before initiating. As each spell ends (presumably while another is still casting) a new one can be initiated. Re/cast (perhaps as an added effect by Merit) during the effect of the ability to be reduced by some percentage. Cannot be the target of Time Magic spells for the duration of the effect; removes any of these upon activation.

-Compels
Abilities with shared recast timers. Self target only. Perhaps introduce Merits to reduce recast. - Removes an amount of time from all current recasts being suffered. AND/OR The activation of this ability produces an effect valid for only the proceeding spell or ability. If two versions of each iteration, differentiate by an added suffix.

-Compel I; Lv15
Time removed: 5 seconds; Recast: 1 minute

-Compel II; Lv60
Time removed: 15 seconds; Recast: 2 minutes 30 seconds (time given without ‘Impel’)

Given the duality of all Time Magic-specific spells, perhaps enforce an affect where opposing spells modify one another’s re/cast time and include that Double Cast negates this.

—Proposed Spells --- Absolutely No Area of Effect
All spells for a Time Mage to pertain, specifically, to time with the possibility of a 'Comet' Merit. Existing time-type spells to be described as uncharacteristic manipulations, by comparison; that only Time Magic spells are true forms of this capability.

-Existing Spells
All of these suggested to have noticeably reduced benefit when cast by Time Mage.

Slow; Lv11

Regen; Lv19

Gravity; Lv31

Haste; Lv38

Regen II; Lv45

Regen III; Lv71

Refresh; Lv74

-New Spells
Suggest the possibility that duration be similar in variance to spells as with Sneak and Invisible. Low-level MP costs at a 4/5 or 9/10 ratio to average Lv1 max MP. (Galka might require a specific subjob to have enough MP to cast the Lv1 spell.)

Suggested that Time Magic spells’ affects be connected to Time Magic skill in such a way that the benefit of using Time Mage as a subjob be quite small. Perhaps spells’ duration is also connected.

Only one Time Magic effect can be active on a target. Any Time Magic spell will over-write another. Time Magic (offensive or defensive) overwrites any existing time-altering affect, but only if the Time Magic spell will have a greater affect. I.E.: Urge (10%) will overwrite Urge (14%), but not Slow (12%).

Targets are ‘any party member’ or ‘ally NPC’ (described below as ‘Party’) or ‘enemy’, only (if not designated as self-target).

Offensive spells generate enmity, twice: at initiation of and upon casting.

Times in seconds are given without the effect bestowed by Fast Cast or similar.

Drives --- Self-Target Only
Increase all aspects' speed (attack, movement, cast, recast). If variable duration, Drive V’s duration of affect be little more dependable than Drive I.

-Drive I; Lv1 --- MP = x ("x" for relative purposes revealed further down)
Casting Time: 0.5 seconds; Recast Time: 60 seconds
Attack speed +5%, casting time -2%, recast -1%, movement +1%
(Given variable duration, effect could wear off before recast is up.)

-Vex; Lv6
Casting Time: 2 seconds; Recast Time: 90 seconds
Enemy: Movement speed is reduced. (Gravity, when first obtained, should have greater affect; but be out-done somewhen before Lv75 or Lv99.)

-Urge; Lv8
Casting Time: 4 seconds; Recast Time: 25 seconds
Party: Attack speed increased by 2%. By Lv75, increase is 20%.

-Drive II; Lv17 --- MP = 2x
Casting Time: 1 second; Recast Time: 90 seconds
Attack speed +7%, casting time -4%, recast -2%, movement +5%

-Rivet; Lv24
Casting Time: 4.25 seconds; Recast Time: 30 seconds
Party: Casting time of spells reduced by 3%. By Lv75, reduction is 18%.

-Confuse; Lv35
Casting Time: 3.5 seconds; Recast Time: 30 seconds
Enemy: Attack speed reduced by an amount slightly more than Slow. By Lv75, reduction is 25-30%. Target’s attacks become stronger for a variable, limited time; regardless of Confuse’s success.

-Drive III; Lv39 --- MP = 4x
Casting Time: 3 seconds; Recast Time: 2.5 minutes
Attack speed +9%, casting time -6%, recast -3%, movement +10%

-Alleviate; Lv41
Casting Time: 6 seocnds; Recast Time: 1.5 minutes
Party: Decrease rate of Damage over Time effects. Causes ‘miss’ chance for –na spells.

-Mitigate; Lv50
Casting Time: 8 seconds; Recast Time: 5 minutes
Party: Recast time of any spell or ability reduced.

-Mute; Lv56
Casting Time: 12 seconds; Recast Time: 5 minutes
Enemy: For the duration of this status, target may not cast any spell more than once. Perhaps, instead, this spell could extend (or in the case of some bosses, introduce) recast. As a multiplier, say by a factor of 4.

-Drive IV; Lv60 --- MP = 5x (does not include Drive Boost’s affect)
Casting Time: 5 seconds; Recast Time: 3 minutes
Attack speed +20%, casting time -8%, recast -5%, movement +25%

-Energize; Lv61
Casting Time: 8 seconds; Recast Time: 2.5 minutes
Party: Increase the speed of HP/MP restorative effects.

-Stupor; Lv65
Enemy: Spell casting time increased; chance of enemy’s spells’ success increased.

-Burden; Lv70
Enemy: Increase the speed of Damage over Time effects. Chance of duplicating status to caster.

-Yen; Lv73
Casting Time: 10 seconds; Recast Time: 2 minutes
Party: Movement speed increased by 30%.

-Drive V; Lv75 --- MP = 10x (does not include Drive Boost’s affect)
Casting Time: 10 seconds; Recast: 3.5 minutes
Attack speed +40%, casting time -10%, recast -7%, movement +50%

-Muffle; Lv75-Merit (the opposite of Drive)
Enemy: Decrease all aspects’ speed. 20-30 minute recast.

(EDIT: To sum up:)

I didn't work very hard on total balance, just did enough to get an idea of things like lengthy casting times mitigated by the job's own abilities.

I was also thinking there could be some Job Abilities to allow "Throwing" to be deadly accurate, but have it based on planetary movement such that there are two abilities: One learned very early so that standing east of a target is required. The Time mage is "stopping" the object so that it hits its target incredibly hard. The second ability, learned near level cap, allowing the Time Mage to push the "thrown" object forward. This way, a set of abilities is required to give Time Mage any significant damage opportunities. Recasts of these abilities will, of course, need to be quite high.

From this idea, I thought it wouldn't bee too much of a stretch to have "Comet". A high level spell that alters time around an object in space to align its trajectory to that of the enemy target's location.

I wanted to remove the "space" aspect from previous incarnations of Time Mage and make it all be explained by manipulating time somehow.

EDIT: Also, I basically wanted them to be incredibly weak, valuable only by the manipulations they can cast on others. Agility and evasion, however, be high enough that most hits would miss them, but their weaknesses mean those few hits will hurt big time. As I said elsewhere, I thought a full alliance of them would be able to tackle Dynamis at about Lv75; maybe stretch that up to Lv99, instead.

MP very low, with lots of equipment for boosting that. Make their lengthy casting times and recast timers require very careful use of the abilities that relieve those burdens.

I see... a deadly move called... "Future Sight" from pokemon! lol

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I wanted to remove the "space" aspect from previous incarnations of Time Mage and make it all be explained by manipulating time somehow.

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Say Whah?!! If the Devs did in fact consider this mage, the control of "Physical Space" would be it's most defining feature compared to other mages in FFXI. Just to clarify again:

Posted back on post 113:
"when it says "Time and Space" I don't think it's literally referring to "Outer Space" but rather "Physical Space" as in "the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction" in terms of them casting Meteor. It would mean they would probably distort the physical space on or around a meteor to port it on top of the unfortunate head of whoever they don't like lol For instance:
Their Spell "Float" description: "Time Magic distorts "space", allowing self or an ally to float 1h above the ground." This refers to Physical Space ^^ Cool as heck if you ask me, and they would make pimp mages for FFXI."

In case you missed it, here's my post about the possible Spells they could cast focusing only on the control of physical space: Battle Related Spells These would be everything but weak though in my mind, and I could see most of these spells having double or triple tiers to them that would rival even BLMs dmg potential ^^/

A lot of what BLU has is spells that have the same function as spells from other spellcasters (stoneskin, slow,etc)- I don't see why having a time mage which uses a lot of the same spells as other mages would be a problem - it would just be another spell list to mix and match.

I mean why is it okay for scholar to have mostly the same spells as rdm/blm/whm but not have time mage share some of them (have it's own unique list/job abilities/a couple unique spells)?

For job abilities it would be cool if they had something on a 5 minute timer that reduced the casting time/mp cost of all their spells by a quarter. And on a ten minute timer - one that made the cast times/mp half cost.

It would be cool if they had a slow spell that would gradually slow the enemy more and more over time - or a stop spell that worked the opposite - the enemy would be super slow to start with and gradually it would wear off. They could be on long timers to ensure that they weren't overpowered.

HoT would be okay to have - and maybe they could have a "random" nuke spell that varied by the game hour - and one that varied by game day.

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Originally Posted by Olor

A lot of what BLU has is spells that have the same function as spells from other spellcasters (stoneskin, slow,etc)- I don't see why having a time mage which uses a lot of the same spells as other mages would be a problem - it would just be another spell list to mix and match.

I mean why is it okay for scholar to have mostly the same spells as rdm/blm/whm but not have time mage share some of them (have it's own unique list/job abilities/a couple unique spells)?

For job abilities it would be cool if they had something on a 5 minute timer that reduced the casting time/mp cost of all their spells by a quarter. And on a ten minute timer - one that made the cast times/mp half cost.

It would be cool if they had a slow spell that would gradually slow the enemy more and more over time - or a stop spell that worked the opposite - the enemy would be super slow to start with and gradually it would wear off. They could be on long timers to ensure that they weren't overpowered.

HoT would be okay to have - and maybe they could have a "random" nuke spell that varied by the game hour - and one that varied by game day.

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Maybe have a sch with TIME ARTS.

So to sum it up - here are some suggested spells and job abilities for a time mage

Job abilities

Turn back time: 2 hour - resets all cooldowns of party/alliance members except two hour abilities
Half - 10 min - reduces the cost of spells, cast time and cooldown times by half (1 minute duration)
Quarter: 5 min - reduces the cost of spells, cast time and cooldown times by a quarter (1 minute duration)
Spacetime Blessing: 20 minute- your next job ability affects all party members within area of affect
Knock the clock: 5 minute - reduce the time remaining cooldown timers (including spellcast) of target party member by 1/2
Flash from the Past: 10 minute - party members in area of affect would have the MP and HP lost in the last minute restored

Spells:

"Hour of Judgment" - Elemental spell based on hour (MP cost varies by spell)
"Day of Judgment" - Elemental spell based on day (MP cost varies by spell)
"Moon's Rule" - Elemental debuff spell based on moon phase (MP cost varies by spell)
"Season's Greetings" - Buff spell based on month/season (MP cost varies by spell)
"Stop": Target is stunned and gradually regains the ability to take actions, starting slowly but eventually gaining full speed. Target monsters would quickly build resistance to this spell.


Obviously this is just a few ideas....

Time Mage would step on many other jobs toes, it would be very imba. Unlessssss, SE creates a way for it to be rare in its own way. I'll agree to Comet, but not Meteor that's going to be BLM lvl99 for sure.

what is imba?

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what is imba?

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Agreed. Wtf is IMBA? Anywho, Kingfury wins. All other job abilities and spells listed have come too close to being rip offs of the current mages. Sch is already that in between mage. We don't need another in between.

No, kingfury, I did read the entire thread. ^^ I'll rephrase: I want Time Mage to perform its manipulations through that of time, so that they're manipulating things in space with time. By this, and really at all, I don't understand Time Mage having things like "Frog" or "Mini". Even "Float", what with the spinning of the planet, wouldn't really make sense. Although, I'd welcome it within the logic I've attempted (lol) to explain.

I was reinventing it, the way several jobs have been for FFXI.

This time mage idea has about as much of a chance of happening as this forum actually being taken seriously....it's unrealistic and no one in their right mind would use it unless they wanted to break the game.

I'm just happy to have some others' opinions on it who play the game. It's been just my head for quite a while, Krystal, thanks. (^.^)