Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

jobs + mules

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I also have support and healing mules.. Not sure what you're getting at here?

I have a berk-1 but i'm in no rush to get an ebody. I'll wait for it from Odin. Not gunna waste money on hogg pops.

Got my ukon 2 days ago, I only equipped it an hour ago. It'll get 99 soon enough!

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Maybe if you got that, you could get up to my level.

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Hahaha, I passed your level about 3 years ago.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I'd chuckle too if someone so pointedly said everything my LS did.

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Baseless rumors are awesome!

Well.. Well I er... saw your shell buy a $10,000 bot and quit cause they couldn't beat CoP..

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Not sure what you're getting at here?

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I'm pointing out that you tried to criticize my job selection, when my job selection is better than yours. I'm not sure how you could of missed this, maybe you're not so smart after all.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

I have a berk-1 but i'm in no rush to get an ebody. I'll wait for it from Odin. Not gunna waste money on hogg pops.

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Keep doing those Odin II's, Im sure you'll get lucky in 4 months. Then 4 months later maybe you can afford a cursed breastplate -1 and some p tatters too. Either way, this is much longer than the "less than a week" you said you'd need to get your WAR up to where mine is.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Got my ukon 2 days ago, I only equipped it an hour ago. It'll get 99 soon enough!

Hahaha, I passed your level about 3 years ago.

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I'm sure you did, thats why you just spent so much time trying to undermine me to try and invalidate the things I said, because you know that's the only way you can even attempt to.

Your job selection is more or less exactly the same as mine, only the only good thing you have going for you is warrior and ninja, while i have a whole lot more. If you wanna get multiple characters involved I also have a empy cor + relic bard mule, but that's not fair on you.

Are you trying to imply it's hard to get a Pbody, or that i couldn't afford one lol? I could afford about 5 of them.

I undermined you because i was bored and you have no credible information other than "You must have bought a bot, i have a mule!". You're way too easy.

Also, you're a terrible whitemage. 5 minutes of your stream was enough to make me cringe.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

The thing is, I didn't offer that opinion...you put it in my mouth and then made an argument against it. When you start seeing things in my words that aren't there, that's delusional.

You think you're putting players who don't want HNM on equal footing by implementing events which offer the same items. The thing is, it's not equal footing at all because pro-HNM people can, and will, the new event as well, to increase the chance of getting the item. You can't mathematically deny that a person doing both events will have an overall advantage over a person doing one. I know I'm repeating myself here but it appears you didn't really get the message the first time.

Learn to read better and/or stop building strawmans.

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That argument is so ridiculous. Are you for real?

No duh someone who does several things at once will get something faster. The people and shells who do both will get the items faster than a person or group ho just camps or does einherjar.

Someone who did both einherjar and kings probably got king gear faster than someone who just did kings. So your point is? My point is, einherjar put people on equal footing to those who did kings.

Anyone could take part in HNM camping same as einherjar. People just don't want too camp monsters with long spawn timers, against others.

As someone posted in another thread, the botting point is irrelevant to most of these players. They could make an HNM damn near unbottable and the same people who complain about every endgame event under the altana sun would still complain and moan and groan.

You know what, I'm gonna shut this argument down right now!

SE can make it so if you've killed the same monster in the free world, you can't take part in the bc with the same gear. THERE EQUAL FOOTING. But, again, you peoplewill probably make up some bs argument and or excuse to why it's unfair.

I don't buy the "bots and cheaters" bandwagon, and I don't buy the "It's so unfair to me!" bandwagon.

People don't want to wait for gear, they don't wanna compete for it, and they def do not want someone having or being able to do something they feel is outside their willingness or time to do. That's the issue, which brings me back to my point:

enjoy the content YOU can do, and enjoy. You are not entitled to every piece of gear. That goes for cheaters too.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I'm pointing out that you tried to criticize my job selection, when my job selection is better than yours. I'm not sure how you could of missed this, maybe you're not so smart after all.



Keep doing those Odin II's, Im sure you'll get lucky in 4 months. Then 4 months later maybe you can afford a cursed breastplate -1 and some p tatters too. Either way, this is much longer than the "less than a week" you said you'd need to get your WAR up to where mine is.



I'm sure you did, thats why you just spent so much time trying to undermine me to try and invalidate the things I said, because you know that's the only way you can even attempt to.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Your job selection is more or less exactly the same as mine, only the only good thing you have going for you is warrior and ninja, while i have a whole lot more. If you wanna get multiple characters involved I also have a empy cor + relic bard mule, but that's not fair on you.

Are you trying to imply it's hard to get a Pbody, or that i couldn't afford one lol? I could afford about 5 of them.

I undermined you because i was bored and you have no credible information other than "You must have bought a bot, i have a mule!". You're way too easy.

Also, you're a terrible whitemage. 5 minutes of your stream was enough to make me cringe.

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Go Go Gadget Epeen!

Yay pissing contests that are off topic from the latest "we want to out bot" elite wanna be thread.

Cant say I didn't try to stop it...

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

That argument is so ridiculous. Are you for real?

No duh someone who does several things at once will get something faster. The people and shells who do both will get the items faster than a person or group ho just camps or does einherjar.

Someone who did both einherjar and kings probably got king gear faster than someone who just did kings. So your point is? My point is, einherjar put people on equal footing to those who did kings.

Anyone could take part in HNM camping same as einherjar. People just don't want too camp monsters with long spawn timers, against others.

As someone posted in another thread, the botting point is irrelevant to most of these players. They could make an HNM damn near unbottable and the same people who complain about every endgame event under the altana sun would still complain and moan and groan.

You know what, I'm gonna shut this argument down right now!

SE can make it so if you've killed the same monster in the free world, you can't take part in the bc with the same gear. THERE EQUAL FOOTING. But, again, you peoplewill probably make up some bs argument and or excuse to why it's unfair.

I don't buy the "bots and cheaters" bandwagon, and I don't buy the "It's so unfair to me!" bandwagon.

People don't want to wait for gear, they don't wanna compete for it, and they def do not want someone having or being able to do something they feel is outside their willingness or time to do. That's the issue, which brings me back to my point:

enjoy the content YOU can do, and enjoy. You are not entitled to every piece of gear. That goes for cheaters too.

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The only BS arguments I'm hearing are those being trotted out by HNM supporters for why SE should bring them back. I found Habu obnoxious in previous threads but at least I can appreciate his honesty in being an unrepentant, exclusionary wad.

I could try to clarify my position again but you'd just respond with a ramble on whatever, arguing against things I didn't say and without regard to things I actually did say.

Just gonna have to agree to disagree. You'll probably take that as you 'winning' or something. Go ahead and take it, if you really need it that bad.

hey tuna..

ur the biggest so and so i've seen on here..

what will it take for u to realise that ppl do want hnmk content just ur short sightedness og how to have hnm content is whats getting under ppls skin..

when will u guys learn content is more then the reward, it is something to do with friends... faux pvp is pointless and is what really dragged ffxi into a dark time. Due to hnm and old way endgame was i stop'ed doing it. I got tired of both the claim war drama, amd LS drop drama. I have enough drama in my life. I just wanna play a fun game. If u want competition do ballista or brenner. Its actually very fun.

as for botting mik, if ur innocent just declar ur innocence... not drag a person down. all ur doing is being a bit of a childish brat. (not an insult just pointing it how it looks) which does infact make u look guilty. Ur trying to discredit widh over jobs and gear is not making u look innocent of botting infact... makes u look guilty of it.

ps i'm not anti hnm but i know for a fact ppl used bots. most LS on garuda near braged about using it... same for lakshmi. plus its not hard to point out a bot if u use common sence. and really if hnm are forced pop every 15 min... no need for them. just make them roaming and spawn every 15 min on the dot... that will get anyone gear

Also EVERYONE is infact entitled to everything in ffxi as we are all paying for it. we all pay a fee we shouble be able to get what we pay for.

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ps i'm not anti hnm but i know for a fact ppl used bots. most LS on garuda near braged about using it... same for lakshmi. plus its not hard to point out a bot if u use common sence. and really if hnm are forced pop every 15 min... no need for them. just make them roaming and spawn every 15 min on the dot... that will get anyone gear

Also EVERYONE is infact entitled to everything in ffxi as we are all paying for it. we all pay a fee we shouble be able to get what we pay for.

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You're anti-gear swap and all over the general XI boards as a known "PLEASE IGNORE ME!" type player. Sorry. I have nothing to say to the likes of you.

As for the dude above you, seriously, if they made it so you cannot do the bcs and the long spawn HNMs for the same gear, campers and BCers would be at equal footing.

So what excuse would you guys make up now, for why hnms shouldnt exist, even tho the gear is available to you elsewhere at equal footing AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE FOR IT.

I'm almost certain some, if not all of you who are dead set against world long spawn HNM, will still be against it, because you have a superiority complex, that is, if you can't participate, no one should. It doesn't mater to you that you can get the gear from an equally challenging bc, as it would be camping a single monsters that pops ONCE a week.

The issue isnot cheats, It's not even gear. It's a group of spoiled, whining, yelling brats who stomp their feet whenever se creates content they don't like. I really truly salute them for neo nyzul isle, prov watcher, neo odin/omega/ultia. The higher END of endgame is truly moving back in the direction it was at 75.

Using Habu as an example.. really? He is... truly.. an idiot. You admire him because hes honest about wanting to be better than you and camp mobs longer than you? Are you yourself too shallow minded to realize thats ridiculous?

I camp HNMs because I ENJOY CAMPING RARE, NMS. i ENJOY THE HUNT OF IT. Why is that so hard to believe? I am not interested in beating others just to beat them and i dont even care about the gear. I enjoy camping those rare long spawn window hnm, i enjoy searching for them and i also enjoy afking between their windows.

I'm gonna be nice and say I'm really not out to beat any of you or be better.. I have no neo nyzul gear or prov watcher gears/spells, no legion gear/spells. I have great gear otherwise though. Back at 75 I had a youtube video up of every last NM encounter I ever had in a game. I love camping world NMs. Its s much fun, the gear is a plus. I want se to try and restore the nostalgia factor of exploring a vast game world where ferocious beasts can spawn.

Camping the one week, super hyper NM was a joy to me, and I would like SE to add more. I genuinely enjoy them and since all world NMs are irrelevant now that we are 99, I really am hoping for more. Not too interested in camp drama, but at least it's not boring.

A lot in ffxi is reasonable to me, but it's just plain boring. adl,prov watcher, vw,neo limbus/einher is ALL cool with me. I have no complaints. Thats the top topteir gear, I don't complain about how long it takes to get that stuff. FFXI doesn't lack good endgame, it decent endgame and endgame gears.

FFXI doesn't lack rewarding events, FFXI lacks fun events. I'm just bored with it and rly hope they add a slew of world NMs to hunt.

So you complain about the lack of fun events and you want these ridiculous HNM with absurdly long respawns and four hour long windows? I'm sorry but when's the last time you had a mental evaluation? This is the very opposite of fun as you can possibly get.

And if it really was all about the 'thrill of the hunt', as you claim, than why aren't you out there camping them right now? They have not gone anywhere and the majority of them still retain the very aspects that make them ridiculous in the first place. And a couple of them will even still eat you alive if you take a single misstep.

But seriously, stop advocating for faux PvP and go for the real deal, already. It would waste less resources than catering to just you and your ilk, which make up a minority of a minority of players.

ok look tuna ur an idiot there i said it.... ur so full of urself u make up petty BS and call it fact. you spout petty stuff w/o out reading both sides.
u want content for YOURSELF that worst then ppl saying they dislike something.
Also i'm not anti gear swap... I just do not personally find gear swap fun, or see it makes u a good player or not. if i was anti gear swap id ask to remove it from the game. Which i never ones suggested. Cuz i know ppl enjoy doing it. Also case in point... MY VIEWS OF GEAR SWAP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HNM. STOP BRINGING IN FIGHTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE... YOU HAVE NO VALID CAUSE HERE. ALL YOU WANT IS CONTENT FOR YOURSELF. THATS IT. aND SINCE YOU LACK ANY WELL THOUGHT OUT REASON OTHER THAN ME ME ME I WANT I WANT I WANT.

i'm actuctally for hnm.... i like to fight large bosses in the open feild, i like seeing them roam around. Id like them to be constently up so anyone with balls can try to fight them... that how hnm SHOULD be.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ok look tuna ur an idiot there i said it.... ur so full of urself u make up petty BS and call it fact. you spout petty stuff w/o out reading both sides.
u want content for YOURSELF that worst then ppl saying they dislike something.
Also i'm not anti gear swap... I just do not personally find gear swap fun, or see it makes u a good player or not. if i was anti gear swap id ask to remove it from the game. Which i never ones suggested. Cuz i know ppl enjoy doing it. Also case in point... MY VIEWS OF GEAR SWAP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HNM. STOP BRINGING IN FIGHTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE... YOU HAVE NO VALID CAUSE HERE. ALL YOU WANT IS CONTENT FOR YOURSELF. THATS IT. aND SINCE YOU LACK ANY WELL THOUGHT OUT REASON OTHER THAN ME ME ME I WANT I WANT I WANT.

i'm actuctally for hnm.... i like to fight large bosses in the open feild, i like seeing them roam around. Id like them to be constently up so anyone with balls can try to fight them... that how hnm SHOULD be.

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you know what, we should team up and go hunt a brutal nm.

...like leaping lizzie.

edit: seems like you'd need help on it

(Text limit) I will like to state if a lack of choosing to gear swap prevent me as a LONG time player to have my opinion or suggestions hear. that pretty pathetic thing to say. To ingore someone who chooses to play how they most enjoy gets me ignored that pretty pathetic... I tried gear swapping i did not enjoy it... its for me too much stress to deal with. I can't afford such a thing. If any of you actually seen me play, i'm not a bad player. I world well in team setting and i got pretty fast reflexes. An UNINTENDED game machanic shouldn't be what makes or breaks a player... its how well the players knows their job and how to best handle each skill. Gearing up and putting gear buffing to each skill and blindly spam it w/o thought is not imo a good player. I'm all for if u have gear use it... idc... but when u blindly spam skills it does appear u have no idea how to play.... But afain that is just my 2 cents and in no way will i FORCE ppl to think this. If anything all I ever asked for is to play how I see

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Originally Posted by Zerich

you know what, we should team up and go hunt a brutal nm.

...like leaping lizzie.

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Ouch, that's cold.

You know recently I've been camping Khimeria for Tourbillion (the bastard's wings keep breaking)? I can't begin to imagine how anyone ever considered doing it 'fun'.

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with out judgement, since you shouldn't judge what you don't see. You shouldn't judge based on assumption. I may not farm every peice of gear under the sun. But i do put effort into my character based on how I play.. I also take my time and help others out. Whether they need a drop from an nm in abyssea, or if its hunting LL or doing a bcnm fight. Tbh i rather be a friendly bad player... then an ahole-ish good one.

aka like everyone here outside a select few...

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Originally Posted by Zerich

you know what, we should team up and go hunt a brutal nm.

...like leaping lizzie.

edit: seems like you'd need help on it

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nah lol i solo LL for kicks. but what I said is true... he has no actual thought behind his suggestion. You can't make a community game addition for urself... just because u soley found it fun. what ui ask for will effect every player.. i'm a zelda fan.. i love fighting massively huge bosses. thats why i want hnm in the new expack just would perfer themj constently up rayher then barely there.... if i saw walk into " behemoths dominion" i do not want to see a near empty zone... i expect to see a behemoth. same for faf/nei i expeck them to be there. nopt wait around for a "slight appearance" if you just want to hunt large mobs, suggestion a hunt type content... rather then force something the community don't want for obviouse reasons.

pretty much ur reason is hnm MUST be on long spawn timers so u get a thrill of the hunt. no offence that stupid...

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Ouch, that's cold.

You know recently I've been camping Khimeria for Tourbillion (the bastard's wings keep breaking)? I can't begin to imagine how anyone ever considered doing it 'fun'.

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hnms aren't fun for me or a good portion of the players. however, op was suggesting the drops to also come from instanced nms. but when certain people attack an op without reading the title, then you can't help but slam your head on your desk. (which is what i assume they do, in substitute of macros)

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hnms aren't fun for me or a good portion of the players. however, op was suggesting the drops to also come from instanced nms. but when certain people attack an op without reading the title, then you can't help but slam your head on your desk. (which is what i assume they do, in substitute of macros)

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i personally read the title and OP and its still idiotic. not everyone is gear centric.. or is that concept to hard to understand. znot everyone wants content instanced. For some its the thrill of the fight. For others its the thrill of seeing them out in the world.

when i saw bloodtear balduf for the first time i was on awe. Then when it killed me I was like "ok ima level and beat that fker". Then When i saw journ out in the range on my way to bearclaw... i was in awe... that thing was so massive. i only saw it that one time. I also wanna go find vtra in KRT. Even if it just for a screen shot, its been a goal to see that.

here is the idiotic thing tho... what does my stance on how i play MY character strike a cord with you guys... i never once stated or forced any of u to play the game my way. I just give my personal opinion of how i honestly feel on things. But i never EVER made suggestion to force SE or the ffxi community to change their opinion. If anything I see it as i'm just defending my right as a player/gamer to have fun the way i have fun.

no one here has ever played with me nor is forced to. So i see no need to contently be luttle me because i play differently them you guys. I'm not bothering anyone with my play style. I just duo with my friend. I don't do much of anything because of u guys.... Even tho I want to, because i rather not be insulted on a video game i enjoy... I get enough in my real life and on here. And tbh to be insulted even tho i take time to help others and am a pleasent person in actually is pretty low. I do nothing wrong, nor have doine anything to you guys but to say my opinion.

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here is the idiotic thing tho... what does my stance on how i play MY character strike a cord with you guys... i never once stated or forced any of u to play the game my way. I just give my personal opinion of how i honestly feel on things. But i never EVER made suggestion to force SE or the ffxi community to change their opinion. If anything I see it as i'm just defending my right as a player/gamer to have fun the way i have fun.

no one here has ever played with me nor is forced to. So i see no need to contently be luttle me because i play differently them you guys. I'm not bothering anyone with my play style. I just duo with my friend. I don't do much of anything because of u guys.... Even tho I want to, because i rather not be insulted on a video game i enjoy... I get enough in my real life and on here. And tbh to be insulted even tho i take time to help others and am a pleasent person in actually is pretty low. I do nothing wrong, nor have doine anything to you guys but to say my opinion.

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you are the worst. my altana have mercy on your posts.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

you are the worst. my altana have mercy on your posts.

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umm how so... i don't go around stalking ppl and being a cyber bully...

lolrosina. That's all I gotta say about that, dude is lol. I don;t respond to people who think gear swaps are below them.

@Trisscarm what I find fun is my business. Everything in ffxi is a waste of time, you make a moot point pointing finger and saying "omg u must be crazy to enjoy camping nms!". YOU sound like you're struggling with the concept more than me. So i'll make this easy for you, Don't worry about what i enjoy. Do what you enjoy and I'll do what I enjoy, as long as we aren't stepping on eachothers toes. COOL STORY NP BRO.

Taruina, I've warmed up to you.

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lolrosina. That's all I gotta say about that, dude is lol. I don;t respond to people who think gear swaps are below them.

@Trisscarm what I find fun is my business. Everything in ffxi is a waste of time, you make a moot point pointing finger and saying "omg u must be crazy to enjoy camping nms!". YOU sound like you're struggling with the concept more than me. So i'll make this easy for you, Don't worry about what i enjoy. Do what you enjoy and I'll do what I enjoy, as long as we aren't stepping on eachothers toes. COOL STORY NP BRO.

Taruina, I've warmed up to you.

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i'm a female for starters... and i never stated gear swaps was below me. Just because we do not agree on a btw... non topic issues. don't mean I can't share my 2 cents on a topic. You really need to grow up tho... its not helping ur cause any by insulting a player who is infact for hnm... just not on long timers... Just because I don't see gear swaping fun... shouldn't make me a bad player by default.

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umm how so... i don't go around stalking ppl and being a cyber bully...

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really, you're going with that rosa?

really?


we've shown interest in the same post. your emotionally fueled rants and inability to "do-it-rite" in lulzfest'12 has made it even worse.

probably going to get b& because of rosa, but it was worth it
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tuina what you can't seem to grasp is you shouldn't make suggestions just for fun for urself.. you have to considser everyone... just saying i want content like x... but play c gear in y instance so i can have want i, isn't the ideal way to form a suggestion. I proposed questions you ursekf havce yet reply... which if u did would greatly benifit in ur cause of wanting this.

u can't suggest something with a "i want it because I want it" you need to sell ur idea for SE to want to put it in. They use EVERYONES money to put in content. Why should SE make content for a small group of ppl with EVERYONES MONEY.

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tuina what you can't seem to grasp is you shouldn't make suggestions just for fun for urself.. you have to considser everyone... just saying i want content like x... but play c gear in y instance so i can have want i, isn't the ideal way to form a suggestion. I proposed questions you ursekf havce yet reply... which if u did would greatly benifit in ur cause of wanting this.

u can't suggest something with a "i want it because I want it" you need to sell ur idea for SE to want to put it in. They use EVERYONES money to put in content. Why should SE make content for a small group of ppl with EVERYONES MONEY.

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Brosa-sensei, don't you see that things can come from both HNM and instanced fights, equally.
If you are not going to stride towards them, while they are still relevant content, then why should your say have any influence on the people who actually give a damn about maximizing their performance in battle.

To think that you are the only person in this game who has a sense of timing and tools for your jobs, is very childish. There are many people who are better, worse, and even at your same level in terms of game mechanics and knowledge.

But you just came into the forums and rode a wave of people who were blatantly cutting down OP-san, because he mentioned the term HNMs. Read through the OP, and you'll realize that you've been swinging your Quietus and missing us the whole time, because you are on Dancer, and they can't wield that weapon.

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hnms aren't fun for me or a good portion of the players. however, op was suggesting the drops to also come from instanced nms. but when certain people attack an op without reading the title, then you can't help but slam your head on your desk. (which is what i assume they do, in substitute of macros)

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That's probably the best reason not to implement a dual-pronged approach to the attainment of the same items. Why should SE put effort into designing new content for the benefit of such a miniscule amount of the player base, when they can just design one event that a far greater range of people could participate in and enjoy? This is especially pertinent as resources seem limited for FFXI atm.

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That's probably the best reason not to implement a dual-pronged approach to the attainment of the same items. Why should SE put effort into designing new content for the benefit of such a miniscule amount of the player base, when they can just design one event that a far greater range of people could participate in and enjoy? This is especially pertinent as resources seem limited for FFXI atm.

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what's to say that the game needs to alienate another branch of the players by not offering more than one route to get your shinnies?

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what's to say that the game needs to alienate another branch of the players by not offering more than one route to get your shinnies?

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Lol, if SE is already prepared to alienate the supposedly handful of its NA PS2 playerbase by not releasing the new expansion, I think it can afford to alienate the handful of anti-social twats who absolutely must have HNM world spawns (ps I can`t see any of them quitting for any reason whatsoever).

Sorry this reply is late, I was sleeping when the post was posted, but felt the need to reply still.

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

se creates content they don't like.

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Correction, we ask SE to avoid creating content we cant do.

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I really truly salute them for neo nyzul isle, prov watcher, neo odin/omega/ultia.

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This is content I can do.

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A lot in ffxi is reasonable to me, but it's just plain boring.

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If the game is boring you please be smart, either take a break from it or stop playing it.

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

Everything in ffxi is a waste of time.

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This is actually not true. From 1 standpoint it is a waste of time as it gets nothing done in your real life that is notable to others. This is actually incorrect for many people. Games are a way to relax and have fun. MMOs are a way to make friends all around the world, enjoy being in a community for the games you play, and explore a much more vast world the likes of a single player game will never know.

I play FFXI, I play it more than I should, and I will tell you now if I were to get a job tomorrow and have little time to play it, it would be no waste of time. It would allow me to come home, relax, have fun after my long boring day, and talk with friends I have made on this game over the years.

That argument you give has always annoyed me because its not a waste of time, there is a reason we all play games, and that makes it not a waste of time at all.

The fundamental mechanic of standing around for 3-12 hours daily as an event was a terrible one to begin with. The only thing that makes us think otherwise was nostalgia. No one enjoyed HNM camping, it was aggressive, often abusive, and mind meltingly dull. The skill became the fastest claim, not the fight, and quickly escalated into an e-peen festival extravaganza.

I am glad to see these HNM's are now poppable, based on the KSNM drops (from what I have been led to understand) and that the horrible world of HNMLS has finally gone forever.

Events that take a few hours each night, without the huge random elements of other players outclaiming you are much more welcomed, and 100 steps into the modern era of gaming. So no, I won't support your thread idea.

Also on reading some of the posts in this thread, when did WoW players start converging into this community? Never read such vicious and sarcastic passive aggressiveness.

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

@Trisscarm what I find fun is my business. Everything in ffxi is a waste of time, you make a moot point pointing finger and saying "omg u must be crazy to enjoy camping nms!". YOU sound like you're struggling with the concept more than me. So i'll make this easy for you, Don't worry about what i enjoy. Do what you enjoy and I'll do what I enjoy, as long as we aren't stepping on eachothers toes.

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True strike, 'bro'. But you failed to address the question poised towards you. If you thought it was so fun why aren't you camping HNM right now?

Because it isn't relevant to you? But supposedly you 'enjoy the hunt', that you find it irrelevant to you exposes you for a liar.

Hell, I don't even like camping HNM and yet I've been camping one for single Blue Mage spell that is in no way vital to me for the mere fact it's the only spell I'm missing. So how about it, oh great hunter. Why aren't you camping them right now?

ok here is what OP Zerich and who ever has been in agreement in them. HNM CAN BE IN THE GAME. Just not under the 24hr+ cool down and 3 hour windows. Not everyone whats content to be in an instance. It makes the open world dead (see WoW). What you guys seem to skip over is the fact these can be up all the time. And have a very small spawn time to have them be up consently. You still get ur thrills, and everyone can do the content. What ppl are saying is, instead of having 2 events. Make one anyone can do.

As for my style of play, this shouldn't matter. I do content or try to do it. I just do not worry about getting a reward, i'm here to have fun. As i stated i do not go out and farm gear as most said nm are still a pain, and said bcnm are still capped with very selective job strats. And as many other threads stated... getting help in this game is hard. ppl have a "leech to cap and solo mantality"

Also i think you guys painted the wrong picture of me, based on assumptions.

I do not think i'm the greatest thing since white bread. (or w/e the saying goes) I have done gear swaping in the past. I've had my chraka gear, I also had a mnd set and int set for my sch. I didn't have fun doing it. All i personally got was stress on what i have to find to maximise my stuff having to hunt all these asinise time/lotto spawn stuff or try and find ppl to help me with bcnm. Both sucked... i want to do content not wait around. I wanna do content with a group, not solo and be bored. If there is a helpful peice of gear and I want it I will go get it. Or at least try to. But reality is my fun isn't spending weeks and weeks hunting for that 1 peice of gear that by your guys standers makes or breaks my character. My fun is doing content with my friends.

@ tuna... you should check yourself... you ask why ppl can't understand ur enjoyment of camping. And ask what u are mocked and ask why can't ppl enjoy their stuff as u enjoy yours... why not you lead by example and not step on my toes..

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

True strike, 'bro'. But you failed to address the question poised towards you. If you thought it was so fun why aren't you camping HNM right now?

Because it isn't relevant to you? But supposedly you 'enjoy the hunt', that you find it irrelevant to you exposes you for a liar.

Hell, I don't even like camping HNM and yet I've been camping one for single Blue Mage spell that is in no way vital to me for the mere fact it's the only spell I'm missing. So how about it, oh great hunter. Why aren't you camping them right now?

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Off topic-

Don't know your Assault rank situation, but if you are First LT. you can use 3 of that ranks missions to get hydra, behemoth, and cerb family spells.

I personally went this route to get Tourb(sp.) and it was SO much easier than spending all that time camping a HNM. I had 2 buds that helped me into the assault, but @99 BLU you can solo all three. And if you dont have buds with that rank, do a shout-you'd be surprised how many ppl still need those wins.

Oy rosina quit double posting.