[Dev] PS2 User Poll

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Originally Posted by Zerich

the polls they took about a year ago most likely beg to differ.

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Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

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Originally Posted by RAIST

I'm curious....just how does one get left behind if they don't visit the new continent?

Level to 99 in pre-Abyssea areas....check
Aquire Powerful abyssea gear solo at 99....check.
Complete Empyrean weapons either solo or with LS/FriendsList contacts....check.
CoP content level cap restrictions lifted....WotG/TAU (most all older content) soloable/low-man content now....check.

Sooooo...all you are denied without having access to the new zone, is the new zone and items that can only be obtained by completing content in that new zone (if it can be bought/traded, it can be acquired without completing said content).

So again.....just how does one get "left behind"?

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Ill help you out since you cant see it,
1) new lvling zones
2) New Gear
3) New City
4) New Missions
5) New Weapons
6) New Quests
7) New Blue Magic
8) New Items for Crafting
9) Mining, logging, havesting
10) New fishing Areas
11) New trails could be in said areas
12) New magic scrolls
13) Unlock New jobs
14) Open up logistics to get to New area
15) New Events

I can really go on and on about the new contents and ways you can get left behind

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

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http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...opics_all.html

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Where's your proof to back any of these claims up??

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It's common knowledge in the PS2/3 Scenes...as in people who tinker with this stuff as a hobby/job. Countless complaints in reviews about the platforms, excuses for why some houses did not lend support to the PS3 simply because it was easier to develop for the XB360 over the PS3.....it's all out there on the web if you've kept up with any of it over the years, you would be aware of it.

Announcements about FF14 Development. It was common knowledge, and the butt of jokes about them having to reduce texture sizes and such for the PS3 when it went into testing. Again, it was all out there on the web in reviews and forums back when it all went down.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Ill help you out since you cant see it,
1) new lvling zones
2) New Gear
3) New City
4) New Missions
5) New Weapons
6) New Quests
7) New Blue Magic
8) New Items for Crafting
9) Mining, logging, havesting
10) New fishing Areas
11) New trails could be in said areas
12) New magic scrolls
13) Unlock New jobs
14) Open up logistics to get to New area
15) New Events

I can really go on and on about the new contents and ways you can get left behind

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That is not getting left behind in any way shape or form. Being left behind implies you are rejected, discarded, left to rot and fend for yourself...you've become a modern day pariah because you don't have access to one island on the map.

All you've done is mostly make a list of new items, which as I stated earlier, if it is gear that can be bought/traded--you can still acquire them without stepping foot on the island.

New jobs....I've got 4 jobs stuck at 0, and never intend to unlock them. It hasn't caused me to be left out of any content because I don't have them available.

Events/Logistics...I don't do NNI, only hit floor 100 on NI this past year, still have a ton of assaults to do---doesn't mean I get rejected because I haven't completed that content. I have leaders in my LS that have yet to finish some of older content--haven't even finished WotG. None of that has caused them to get "left behind". I have friends that never even started Crafting or Synergy in the current scope of content, and it hasn't held them back.

People get very far in this ggame with never even gaining access to Khazaam. So, again.....how does it cause one to be spurned from the game if they don't have access to one island?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

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It was conducted through POL....when you logged in, you clicked off the platform you were playing on before the game launched. Guess you weren't playing then?

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Originally Posted by Zachary90

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...opics_all.html

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I saw this notification but I didn't participate in it, if they would've came out and said the data from this poll will determine how we support compatibility with other platforms, I would've participated in it. Moreover, whats the outcome of that poll? Do you have the tally?

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Originally Posted by RAIST

It's common knowledge in the PS2/3 Scenes...as in people who tinker with this stuff as a hobby/job. Countless complaints in reviews about the platforms, excuses for why some houses did not lend support to the PS3 simply because it was easier to develop for the XB360 over the PS3.....it's all out there on the web if you've kept up with any of it over the years, you would be aware of it.

Announcements about FF14 Development. It was common knowledge, and the butt of jokes about them having to reduce texture sizes and such for the PS3 when it went into testing. Again, it was all out there on the web in reviews and forums back when it all went down.

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If this is the case, as you state it, then why is ffxiv coming out for ps3 and ffxiv is not available for xbox? Just doesn't make sense, which again leads me to conclusion that there no reason why the new expansion shouldnt be available on ps2 or ffxi and all its contents shouldnt be available on ps3

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

If this is the case, as you state it, then why is ffxiv coming out for ps3 and ffxiv is not available for xbox? Just doesn't make sense, which again leads me to conclusion that there no reason why the new expansion shouldnt be available on ps2 or ffxi and all its contents shouldnt be available on ps3

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=no+ffxiv+for+360

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

If this is the case, as you state it, then why is ffxiv coming out for ps3 and ffxiv is not available for xbox? Just doesn't make sense, which again leads me to conclusion that there no reason why the new expansion shouldnt be available on ps2 or ffxi and all its contents shouldnt be available on ps3

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There has been much speculation on whey it's not coming to XB360--most likely it was due to some pushback from Microsoft, or simply a better deal was struck with Sony...possibly because of their long-standing relationship with Sony and their SDK. Also, PS3 kit is far more proprietary, and I would hazard a guess SE is far more familiar with the PS3 and programming directly to it's SPE's than trying to eek the prerformance out of the XB360. Even though it is claimed you can go from Visual Studio or XNA directly to XB360, Microsoft has layer upon layer of hoops to jump through to get something certified. At one point, for Windows apps, you couldn't use Java at all to get an app certified--not even a java connector or MySQL--it had to be ODBC, SQL, etc. or they wouldn't let you put their stamp on it.

Another topic of high contention is why they seemed to have stopped production of FFXI XB360 discs so soon after it's launch. Who knows, but there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes with these contracts, and from working for a company who continually struggled with recertifying partnership status with them over the years....Microsoft just likes to overcomplicate things as policy.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

The average person doesn't build a computer, and the average person doesn't build a computer out of left over spare. My comps are for browsing only and does not have the processing power for MMO's such as ffxi or ffxiv. Furthermore I bought ps2 for ffxi, and after buying the system for this game there telling me a need a new platform for it, its absurb

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http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/env...tml?pageID=win

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Minimum System RequirementsOperating System: Windows® XP/Vista/7
CPU: Intel® Pentium®III 800Mhz or faster processor
Memory: 128 MB RAM
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ series with 32 MB or ATI® RADEON™ 9000 series
Sound Card: DirectX®8.1 compatible sound card
Hard Drive Space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Other: Keyboard, mouse, DirectX8.1 (included with install disc),
CD-ROM drive (used only when installing)

*For PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI: Ultimate Collection, Vana'diel Collection(s), Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess, a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation.

RecommendedOperating System: Windows® XP Professional
CPU: Intel® Pentium®4 processor
Memory: 256 MB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce FX™ series or GeForce 6 series
Sound Card: DirectX®8.1 compatible sound card
Hard Drive Space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Other: Keyboard, mouse, DirectX8.1 (included with install disc),
CD-ROM drive (used only when installing)

*For PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI: Ultimate Collection, Vana'diel Collection(s), Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess, a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation.

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Just how old is your system? Other than the CPU/memory needs, the most critical part is the video card...compliant cards were common on the market as far back as 2003, earlier for the enthusiast that wanted the latest/greatest (DX 8.1 came out in 2001). Chances are, if you got a decent PC post 2003 (laptops are bit slower to adopt higher grade vid cards at reasonable prices), you can play FFXI on it. Worst case scenario, you might need to slap a $30 video card in it.

Even this $160 "dinosaur" (by todays standards) should be able to run it out of the box. I've seen core systems in the past as low as $99 with the hardware to run this game. Here's another gem for $105 from Newegg. This was on the market back around 2005 for around the $1000 mark or less, and can now be found refurbished as low as $60.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

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you have no one to blame but yourself for your ignorance to a survey that was ADVERTISED ON THE GAME asking about client usage.

everyone's over multi-post trolling.

also: i didn't know lite-brites had a browser now.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Just how old is your system? Other than the CPU/memory needs, the most critical part is the video card...

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My wifes old PC (roughly 4 years old), didn't even have a video card, it used onboard graphics which are absolute total dog crap and it still ran the game relatively well (and still looked better than a PS2).

SO let me get this straight...

PS2 players can afford PS3, but not a decent computer?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I saw this notification but I didn't participate in it, if they would've came out and said the data from this poll will determine how we support compatibility with other platforms, I would've participated in it. Moreover, whats the outcome of that poll? Do you have the tally?

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And, I have all 3 systems. I had a feeling of what was coming because of all the "Completely ditch PS2, please" talk on this and other forums. I purposely answered "PC" in the hopes they would stop supporting PS2 altogether. I'm tired of content being held back by an outdated system. I'm just pissed they didn't drop it in Japan, also. Then we could all move on.

Eventually Square Enix will have to choose between continuing FFXI or stop supporting the PS2. 5-10 years from now FFXI can still be chugging along, but do you honestly expect it to support the ps2 when gamers will have a PS4 in their homes?

IMHO the solution is simple: offer FFXI as downloadable content through the playstation network and let it work on the PS4. Then give all the PS2 players a free copy of FFXI for the pc, 360, or PS4 (they get to choose).

The argument for the continuation of the PS2 becomes more and more outrageous as time goes on.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

you have no one to blame but yourself for your ignorance to a survey that was ADVERTISED ON THE GAME asking about client usage.

everyone's over multi-post trolling.

also: i didn't know lite-brites had a browser now.

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Why do you even post in this thread? I thought the OP told you to keep your ass out

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Originally Posted by Shewp

Eventually Square Enix will have to choose between continuing FFXI or stop supporting the PS2. 5-10 years from now FFXI can still be chugging along, but do you honestly expect it to support the ps2 when gamers will have a PS4 in their homes?

IMHO the solution is simple: offer FFXI as downloadable content through the playstation network and let it work on the PS4. Then give all the PS2 players a free copy of FFXI for the pc, 360, or PS4 (they get to choose).

The argument for the continuation of the PS2 becomes more and more outrageous as time goes on.

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No I dont, BUT I do expect them to support the game on current and future playstations consoles. If they are launching ffxiv on ps3 it makes no sense why they cant support ffxi on ps3.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

No I dont, BUT I do expect them to support the game on current and future playstations consoles. If they are launching ffxiv on ps3 it makes no sense why they cant support ffxi on ps3.

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Even though it's getting harder and harder to support previous consoles, heck computers too (I'd love you to name me a game that worked on 98 that still works perfectly on Windows 8) with NEWER software/Hardware.

The PS4 is already likely to not support PSOne and PS2 games.

XIV is being built around PS3, or more likely by the time it comes out on the PS3, PS4. XI was not.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Why do you even post in this thread? I thought the OP told you to keep your ass out

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I don't believe you'll find the OP has that power.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

I don't believe you'll find the OP has that power.

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I dont know anyone who has the power to keep trolls out, although SE havent said anything officially about not supporting ps2 any longer, its definitely a concern. In the trailer for the new expansion it said for pc and 360 and made no mention of ps2, but we'll see what happens there still alot of space left on the hdd.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I dont know anyone who has the power to keep trolls out, although SE havent said anything officially about not supporting ps2 any longer, its definitely a concern. In the trailer for the new expansion it said for pc and 360 and made no mention of ps2, but we'll see what happens there still alot of space left on the hdd.

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*facepalm* Feel free to join us in 2012 when you decide to ditch the PS2.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

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Originally Posted by Chilloa

*facepalm* Feel free to join us in 2012 when you decide to ditch the PS2.

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Umm 2013 you mean.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Umm 2013 you mean.

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I don't know about you, but where I live it's 2012. You don't need to wait for a new expansion to drop the PS2.

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Originally Posted by Chilloa

I don't know about you, but where I live it's 2012. You don't need to wait for a new expansion to drop the PS2.

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Umm good sir, the game is still the same right now, there's no need to change.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Umm good sir, the game is still the same right now, there's no need to change.

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There was no need to invent cars, you have to perfectly good feet to walk across the country. Personally I'd still choose the car though. Have fun walking.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

There was no need to invent cars, you have to perfectly good feet to walk across the country. Personally I'd still choose the car though. Have fun walking.

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And I guess you mean TWO right?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

And I guess your mean TWO right?

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No, I meant to. And you seem to agree with what I'm saying, as a typo was the only thing you found to correct.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

No, I meant to. And you seem to agree with what I'm saying, as a typo was the only thing you found to correct.

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I don't know what your trying to say, your post doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I don't know what your trying to say, your post doesn't make sense.

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You're embarrassing and trying too hard.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I don't know what your trying to say [..]

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Not surprised. The point was that you saying "there's no need to change" is pointless, because change is never needed, however it's almost always wanted.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Not surprised. The point was that you saying "there's no need to change" is pointless, because change is never needed, however it's almost always wanted.

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Uhh...huh?? Is that what you comprehend from my post, Lord you must be touched..

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Originally Posted by Zerich

You're embarrassing and trying too hard.

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Good I glad you're embarrassed for me for wanting the new expansion available on ps2 or ffxi available for ps3, I'll make a note of that embarrassment you have.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Good I glad you're embarrassed for me for wanting the new expansion available on ps2 or ffxi available for ps3, I'll make a note of that embarrassment you have.

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i'm embarrassed for you trolling too hard. or if you aren't trolling, for being so terrible.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

i'm embarrassed for you trolling too hard. or if you aren't trolling, for being so terrible.

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Ok, whatever you say buddy, you can go away now.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Ok, whatever you say buddy, you can go away now.

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Everything you say is, much like this entire thread, pointless, because the decision has been made. You, least of all, have the right to tell anyone to go away.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I dont know anyone who has the power to keep trolls out, although SE havent said anything officially about not supporting ps2 any longer, its definitely a concern. In the trailer for the new expansion it said for pc and 360 and made no mention of ps2, but we'll see what happens there still alot of space left on the hdd.

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The space on the HDD for Japan is for the expansion, likely some of the space will be used on the NA side for the new items it will adding people will have that you cant get. NA PS2 apparently doesn't have enough reason for them to continue with it. I am sure SE knows how many people actually play on the PS2 in NA, and knows how many people they are limiting. The fact they are losing sales for that choice I am also sure that they are doing it because there are a small number of those people.

I understand you want it on PS2, but you wont admit its an old console, and chances are it will not be on PS3 till it drops PS2. If they ever add PS3 or redo this games graphics that will probably happen at the same time and thats why PS2 would be dropped by then. Just admit its a 12 year old console, one of the greatest consoles ever made, but its time is up, this is thing in NA that has any relevance and is updated. It should be time that FFXI moves on and stops carrying the dead weight with it. I would love them to add PS3, it makes sense but till then you will need to accept this change, and move on.

Hello folks,

I've been looking through the thread, and like so many others, lots of good opinions and passion for the game are degenerating into personal attacks. I think there is some great back and forth going on here, but if personal attacks continue to be a problem, I will have to lock this thread. If you wish to attack a person's argument without being insulting, that's alright, but there is no need to attack the person themselves as we are all entitled to our opinions.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in keeping this thread civil and on-topic.

I think the bulk of the problem is that Cjader1 doesn't grasp the concept that SONY will eventually stop making PS2 for the US. As they have stated several times since 2010---they will continue producing them for regions where they can reasonably do so for a profit. The only firm date they have given is thorugh 2015--whether that will continue as a global policy or restricted to specific regions remains to be seen. As it is now, NEW PS2's are only available from a short list of retailers in the US. It's just a matter of time before they are dropped from the retail shelves to make room for newer products.

That is what happens in markets.....out with the old, in with the new. Think about it. How many CRT based TV's are on the shelves compared to newer technology (LCD, LED, Plasma...)? Analog Camcorders...Computers based on CPU's older than a Core2...how many do you see NEW on the shelves? The MARKETS have dictated what is wanted, and thus dictate what is produced. If you find some of these older products in NEW condition, usually it's one model stuck in a corner, sticking around just for legacy users or they simply haven't sold out of their inventory--but the vast majority of items on the shelf is based on the newer technology for a reason---the markets demanded it.

Such is the case with future FFXI content. The MARKETS have shown that PS2 is on it's way out the door for the NA region's FFXI clients, and so SE has made the business decision to follow that market trend.

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Originally Posted by Verytus

Hello folks,

I've been looking through the thread, and like so many others, lots of good opinions and passion for the game are degenerating into personal attacks. I think there is some great back and forth going on here, but if personal attacks continue to be a problem, I will have to lock this thread. If you wish to attack a person's argument without being insulting, that's alright, but there is no need to attack the person themselves as we are all entitled to our opinions.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in keeping this thread civil and on-topic.

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Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

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Originally Posted by RAIST

I think the bulk of the problem is that Cjader1 doesn't grasp the concept that SONY will eventually stop making PS2 for the US. As they have stated several times since 2010---they will continue producing them for regions where they can reasonably do so for a profit. The only firm date they have given is thorugh 2015--whether that will continue as a global policy or restricted to specific regions remains to be seen. As it is now, NEW PS2's are only available from a short list of retailers in the US. It's just a matter of time before they are dropped from the retail shelves to make room for newer products.

That is what happens in markets.....out with the old, in with the new. Think about it. How many CRT based TV's are on the shelves compared to newer technology (LCD, LED, Plasma...)? Analog Camcorders...Computers based on CPU's older than a Core2...how many do you see NEW on the shelves? The MARKETS have dictated what is wanted, and thus dictate what is produced. If you find some of these older products in NEW condition, usually it's one model stuck in a corner, sticking around just for legacy users or they simply haven't sold out of their inventory--but the vast majority of items on the shelf is based on the newer technology for a reason---the markets demanded it.

Such is the case with future FFXI content. The MARKETS have shown that PS2 is on it's way out the door for the NA region's FFXI clients, and so SE has made the business decision to follow that market trend.

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I can see your point, but why not make the transition for ffxi to exist on ps3. Or why dont SE just tell it straight to ps2 users, no one like having the rug pulled from under there feet. SE should give us an official statement on whats going on with ps2. This will allow ps2 users to know where SE stands and we can make our choice accordingly.