Can we have an update on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I think you are missing her point.

The point was SE emoployees seem to have the time to meticulously monitor these forums seeminlgy 24/7 and flood our emails with threats to bann our accounts, yet can't find the time to update us on a more accurate timeline for when their servers will be back up.

I actually had my account threatened cause i suggested some guy who flamed me in a very neurotic manner may want to consider therapy lol

I understand wanting to keep the forums clean, but let's not go overboard as the secret word police shall we.

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That was my point exactly, thank you for affirming it. As for Raist, reading is good. Do more of it then you would know what I was meaning.

As for the threats to our accounts, you have also hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to say earlier. I think it absolutely ridiculous the amount of emails that not only I, but others who post on these forums have recieved in regards to having our accounts banned if we continute to speak our minds. They have time for this yet they don't have time to keep us informed of progress being made to bring a game back online that WE PAY for. I wonder how much of the player base they will lose now because of this blunder.

Censorship sucks. Period.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I think you are missing her point.

The point was SE emoployees seem to have the time to meticulously monitor these forums seeminlgy 24/7 and flood our emails with threats to bann our accounts, yet can't find the time to update us on a more accurate timeline for when their servers will be back up.

I actually had my account threatened cause i suggested some guy who flamed me in a very neurotic manner may want to consider therapy lol

I understand wanting to keep the forums clean, but let's not go overboard as the secret word police shall we.

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No, I think he got the point- it was just a bad one.

"SE employees" aren't taking a break from their usual jobs of turning the hand-cranks that feed internets into FFXI so that they can ban your forum account.

This is really sad...I mean really, SE has been communicating with us, and it's been what, three days since they shut the servers down. They updated us on the situation recently. The OP should not be expecting updates every day because the people of Japan have more important things to worry about.

It still am amazes me how much MMORPG's are like a drug to some, and when those who are addicted don't get their fix, you get threads like these that pop up on different forums. Will the server come back up? Yes, in time, but we all need to have patience and let Japan recover from this tragedy. There are other things to do besides playing Final Fantasy XI.

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Originally Posted by Tummie

There are other things to do besides playing Final Fantasy XI.

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Crazy talk.

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Originally Posted by Tummie

This is really sad...I mean really, SE has been communicating with us, and it's been what, three days since they shut the servers down. They updated us on the situation recently. The OP should not be expecting updates every day because the people of Japan have more important things to worry about.

It still am amazes me how much MMORPG's are like a drug to some, and when those who are addicted don't get their fix, you get threads like these that pop up on different forums. Will the server come back up? Yes, in time, but we all need to have patience and let Japan recover from this tragedy. There are other things to do besides playing Final Fantasy XI.

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Yes well they must not be too busy doing other things if they have time to write me a gazillion emails about my supposed offensive forum posts, which should be way lower on their list of priorities than giving us updates on the servers, i can tell you that

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Originally Posted by Selzak

No, I think he got the point- it was just a bad one.

"SE employees" aren't taking a break from their usual jobs of turning the hand-cranks that feed internets into FFXI so that they can ban your forum account.

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No i think from reading the subject matter of his post he didn't get the point being made at all. It had absolutely nothing to do with where a forum could be hosted from or any of that nonsense

Just because the mods have time to monitor the forums doesn't mean the higher ups in SE have the time to give them updates. Pretty sure the ppl who decide when the servers come back up are not the same ppl monitoring the forums.

The servers are still down. There's your update.

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The servers are still down. There's your update.

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lol georgeous you pointed it out
/em jobemote rdm
breau, alexander/bastok

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Originally Posted by Tummie

This is really sad...I mean really, SE has been communicating with us, and it's been what, three days since they shut the servers down. They updated us on the situation recently. The OP should not be expecting updates every day because the people of Japan have more important things to worry about.

It still am amazes me how much MMORPG's are like a drug to some, and when those who are addicted don't get their fix, you get threads like these that pop up on different forums. Will the server come back up? Yes, in time, but we all need to have patience and let Japan recover from this tragedy. There are other things to do besides playing Final Fantasy XI.

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Here we go again. Someone who is crying that those of us complaining that SE isn't more of a responsible company that we are "heartless", "uncompassionate", "addicts", yada yada yada.

I've said time and time again that I feel for the people of Japan and that is genuine. However, i'm not a sympathist by nature. The world has had major disasters everywhere. Life goes on. Business goes on. In fact it should. By grinding everything to a halt (like SE has done in a way by shutting the servers down) it only makes things worse. The best thing to do in the face of peril is stand, be strong, don't let the situation beat you, you beat it. It's what drives mankind. If we all threw up our hands and quit things the moment things went sour, then we wouldn't survive. My compassion for the situation of our servers being down has lasted until now. It has changed because SE CAN take steps to bring us back online, and has not. And it also angers some of the population of this game that steps could have been taken BEFORE THIS TRAGEDY EVEN HAPPENED that would have ensured that a game WE PAY for stayed online.

Now I know this may be a grand assessment to be sure. But seriously, it is not the fault of the players that SE is a company that was completely unprepared for this disaster. As stated before, there are many companies that run MMO games out of Japan that are still online, or have gotten back online without a hiccup. Konami is having np with this it seems.

Getting really tired of people saying that people that feel the same way I do are told that we are inhuman, callous, hopeless FFXI addicts. I love the game sure but in this off-time I have been doing many things outside of the game, things that I have been doing EVEN BEFORE the game was down. FFXI is not my life, but it's a part of it, I miss it, and i'm angered that it's down when it doesn't have to be. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, so be it. I'm not on this earth to please you.

I have a feeling that they won't be able to get the servers back up next week. From what I read, the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is still pretty bad. At least 3 or 4 of the 6 reactors will have to be decommissioned. Many other plants are shutdown as well. I don't think they'll be able to bring the shutdown nuclear reactors back up too soon. With the rolling black out and lack of electricity, they probably won't restart the servers until they have enough stable power supply for other more important needs.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Yes well they must not be too busy doing other things if they have time to write me a gazillion emails about my supposed offensive forum posts, which should be way lower on their list of priorities than giving us updates on the servers, i can tell you that

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/applaud. Wholeheartedly agree.

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Originally Posted by Neika

Just because the mods have time to monitor the forums doesn't mean the higher ups in SE have the time to give them updates. Pretty sure the ppl who decide when the servers come back up are not the same ppl monitoring the forums.

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I don't care Neika, it just looks bad that their underlings can find the time to perform such pointless duties as those during a time like this when there should be so many other things being focused on.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No i think from reading the subject matter of his post he didn't get the point being made at all. It had absolutely nothing to do with where a forum could be hosted from or any of that nonsense

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This is exactly why what you guys are saying doesn't make any sense. Neither of you have any idea of what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Neika

Just because the mods have time to monitor the forums doesn't mean the higher ups in SE have the time to give them updates. Pretty sure the ppl who decide when the servers come back up are not the same ppl monitoring the forums.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I think you are missing her point.

The point was SE emoployees seem to have the time to meticulously monitor these forums seeminlgy 24/7 and flood our emails with threats to bann our accounts, yet can't find the time to update us on a more accurate timeline for when their servers will be back up.

I actually had my account threatened cause i suggested some guy who flamed me in a very neurotic manner may want to consider therapy lol

I understand wanting to keep the forums clean, but let's not go overboard as the secret word police shall we.

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I think you are missing my point. SE is not just one division sitting in Japan. They have MASSIVE operations in CA and WA in the US, as well as several divisions in JP. I have seen maybe a dozen different moderator's names so far. It's not like it requires a massive team to watch these things, and again...they can be located anywhere in the world.

Raist

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Originally Posted by Dale

I think you are missing her point.

The point was SE emoployees seem to have the time to meticulously monitor these forums seeminlgy 24/7 and flood our emails with threats to bann our accounts, yet can't find the time to update us on a more accurate timeline for when their servers will be back up.

I actually had my account threatened cause i suggested some guy who flamed me in a very neurotic manner may want to consider therapy lol

I understand wanting to keep the forums clean, but let's not go overboard as the secret word police shall we.

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and you miss his point that people who work on this forum are not the people from the dev team, are probably not even in japan (for the us/eu forums) and dont know better than you when server will be up

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Doesn't anyone find it kind of weird that they can't have the game on..... but they sure as hell are all over removing comments from threads on this website, and censoring everything put in it? Their employees are certainly there to do this but they can't turn a server back on? Fishy to me.

Also, SE don't send me another email threatening my account to be banned just because I speak my mind on a PUBLIC forum. Freedom Of Speech is a constitutional right in the U.S., and the next time you threaten me my lawyer will get involved. If you didn't want the people in the United States to have their say on these forums, then you shouldn't have given us access.

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I could get my clothes looking real nice with that much irony.

You have no idea how networking, software systems, the law, or the Internet works. You should avoid being so aggressive about things that you're clueless about.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I don't care Neika, it just looks bad that their underlings can find the time to perform such pointless duties as those during a time like this when there should be so many other things being focused on.

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Lol, they do these "pointless duties" because it's what they are paid to do. This is their job. It is not their job to worry about stuff with the servers. They are probably entry level employees who aren't even in Japan atm.

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Originally Posted by Neika

Lol, they do these "pointless duties" because it's what they are paid to do. This is their job. It is not their job to worry about stuff with the servers. They are probably entry level employees who aren't even in Japan atm.

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Oh I'm sure they could find better things to do with their time. Like get in touch with their bosses and then update us on what's going on. I'd much rather see something like that in my email than these threats to bann me from the game for suggesting some of these posters may want to consider therapy because of their obvious anger managmenet issues lol

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Originally Posted by RAIST

I think you are missing my point. SE is not just one division sitting in Japan. They have MASSIVE operations in CA and WA in the US, as well as several divisions in JP. I have seen maybe a dozen different moderator's names so far. It's not like it requires a massive team to watch these things, and again...they can be located anywhere in the world.

Raist

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Ok since SE has so many employees in so many places..... here's a hint. Start working on creating mirror servers in the U.S. RIGHT NOW... or wherever you'd like to put them, and get em up pronto. Get your employees OFF monitoring this forum and put em to work getting your service back up so you can actually EARN the money you charged us for March instead of trying to appease us with giving us a free month like we're monkeys looking for a banana. And I work in IT so DON'T tell me it will take a long time to do this because it wll not. Longest portion of time would be to actually get the equipment and get it housed somewhere that has reliable electricity, and that doesn't even take long. And spend less time monitoring these forums and sending threatening emails to people that are obviously disgruntled with your service and actually DO something about it. As far as I can see, they are not doing anything about it at the moment. Maybe I would change my view of the situation IF THEY UPDATED US ON THE PROGRESS OF GETTING THE SERVERS BACK ONLINE, but it doesn't seem that they care enough about doing that, but they sure as hell care about banning us from these forums in any way they can.

Congratulations SE, whe you started open forums for your members, you opened up a can or worms for yourself. Now you get to hear the complaints and gripes from all the peole who have played this game for years that are sick of the way SE does some things. I bet I get banned for saying that. Lord knows they will ban people left and right and destroy their already shrinking player base (especially after this) rather then actually address and take care of the problem.

THIS is the point i'm trying to make. I hope everyone gets it now, and no one is confused.

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Oh I'm sure they could find better things to do with their time. Like get in touch with their bosses and then update us on what's going on. I'd much rather see something like that in my email than these threats to bann me from the game for suggesting some of these posters may want to consider therapy because of their obvious anger managmenet issues lol

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It is not the job of an entry level employee to badger the CEO of the company for updates. They probably wouldn't get any answers anyway, and would still have to monitor the forums if they wanted to keep their jobs.

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Originally Posted by hiko

and you miss his point that people who work on this forum are not the people from the dev team, are probably not even in japan (for the us/eu forums) and dont know better than you when server will be up

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Yes i'm sure the people who head up these forums have no clue about anything...in fact they probably dont' even work for square, are based on Mars, and have no contact what so ever with planet earth. So who are we to dare ask them for an update about this game. We are so stupid for thinking they may know something we don't.

I totally agree, and we are being so unreasonable!

a minor amount of education and common sense, as well as compassion for ones fellow man would have prevented the invention of this thread

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Ok since SE has so many employees in so many places..... here's a hint. Start working on creating mirror servers in the U.S. RIGHT NOW... or wherever you'd like to put them, and get em up pronto. Get your employees OFF monitoring this forum and put em to work getting your service back up so you can actually EARN the money you charged us for March instead of trying to appease us with giving us a free month like we're monkeys looking for a banana. And I work in IT so DON'T tell me it will take a long time to do this because it wll not. Longest portion of time would be to actually get the equipment and get it housed somewhere that has reliable electricity, and that doesn't even take long. And spend less time monitoring these forums and sending threatening emails to people that are obviously disgruntled with your service and actually DO something about it. As far as I can see, they are not doing anything about it at the moment. Maybe I would change my view of the situation IF THEY UPDATED US ON THE PROGRESS OF GETTING THE SERVERS BACK ONLINE, but it doesn't seem that they care enough about doing that, but they sure as hell care about banning us from these forums in any way they can.

Congratulations SE, whe you started open forums for your members, you opened up a can or worms for yourself. Now you get to hear the complaints and gripes from all the peole who have played this game for years that are sick of the way SE does some things. I bet I get banned for saying that. Lord knows they will ban people left and right and destroy their already shrinking player base (especially after this) rather then actually address and take care of the problem.

THIS is the point i'm trying to make. I hope everyone gets it now, and no one is confused.

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Just calm down. If the "SE employees" don't have anyone to rule over, then they'll get bored of violating The Constitution of The Interweb on their own forum. Then they'll drive down the Information Superhighway and turn the servers back on so that they can go back to their real job of shoveling FFXI's into the intertubes and down to your IP address so you can play the game.

Oh, and by the way...SE employs over 1800 people. I serously doubt that all 1800 of them are monitoring this forum.

Everything needed to actively support this game takes a SERIOUS power draw. SE announced they were debating how to respond, and ultimately decided on complying with requests to conserve power. They JUST got to the point where they are able to level off the supply vs demand for power over ther for roughly 22 hours out of the day with the implementation of the rolling blackout scheme.

I would hazard a guess that SE just doesn't feel confident to turn everything back on and risk having issues due to recurring brownouts/blackouts for not only their equipment and data integrity, but also for the stability of internet communication in the region that are also affected by power grid issues.

As mentioned before. Hosting/monitoring this forum could be done anywhere outside of Japan. But, the GAME itself (as of the last time it was up) IS run out of JAPAN, and until the situation improves or they manage to host it elswhere they likely will have a need to keep it down for fear of suffering catastrohpic losses themselves. I understand that the majority of you here have never had to recover a massive critical database from dirty shutdown due to hardware failures. I have...and can be a long, drawn out process that can have spotty results at times. ISINTEG and such are nice tools, but they are not without their faults. Nothing beats a real-time fail-over solution, but the scope of this project is just too large to allow such a backup off-site in another region. It would have to be dopne locally, or we would be paying a heck of a lot more than $13 USD a month (which, by the way is being waved for the next billing cycle, in case you forgot).

/endrant

Raist

Edit: Oh, and by the way... it took them roughly 12 hours jsut to move the POL server recently. So yes, it would take a long time to move all this data. It took like 14 hours just to replicate and test failover support for an exchange server's data from SC to NC on a project I worked on a while back...and it was only roughly 20 GB. We are talking about TERABYTES here.

Raist

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Originally Posted by Nattack

a minor amount of education and common sense, as well as compassion for ones fellow man would have prevented the invention of this thread

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And let me guess Nattack, you have all these qualities don't you. It just sucks we can't all be as educated, smart, and compassionate as you :)

holy addiction, americans get so flustered when they cant waste their weekends on the game!

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And let me guess Nattack, you have all these qualities don't you. It just sucks we can't all be as educated, smart, and compassionate as you :)

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Well he seems to have enough common sense not to assume that the moderators of this form have the capability, resources, or authority to create a new FFXI server or make national decisions for Japan

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Oh, and by the way...SE employs over 1800 people. I serously doubt that all 1800 of them are monitoring this forum.

Everything needed to actively support this game takes a SERIOUS power draw. SE announced they were debating how to respond, and ultimately decided on complying with requests to conserve power. They JUST got to the point where they are able to level off the supply vs demand for power over ther for roughly 22 hours out of the day with the implementation of the rolling blackout scheme.

I would hazard a guess that SE just doesn't feel confident to turn everything back on and risk having issues due to recurring brownouts/blackouts for not only their equipment and data integrity, but also for the stability of internet communication in the region that are also affected by power grid issues.

As mentioned before. Hosting/monitoring this forum could be done anywhere outside of Japan. But, the GAME itself (as of the last time it was up) IS run out of JAPAN, and until the situation improves or they manage to host it elswhere they likely will have a need to keep it down for fear of suffering catastrohpic losses themselves. I understand that the majority of you here have never had to recover a massive critical database from dirty shutdown due to hardware failures. I have...and can be a long, drawn out process that can have spotty results at times. ISINTEG and such are nice tools, but they are not without their faults. Nothing beats a real-time fail-over solution, but the scope of this project is just too large to allow such a backup off-site in another region. It would have to be dopne locally, or we would be paying a heck of a lot more than $13 USD a month (which, by the way is being waved for the next billing cycle, in case you forgot).

/endrant

Raist

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Lol, you need to relax Raist. You sound like a good guy - but you are totally off the reservation on this one. I understand what you are saying, but the point being made is of a much larger one.

If such an intense effort is being made to regulate these forums, it would be nice to see at least maybe a fraction of this same kind of effort being made to keep their customers updated to the current situation about the servers. That's all we are asking for. Let's see some emails letting me know how the servers are doing instead of emails threatening to bann me cause i wasn't mother teresa on a forum lol

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Well he seems to have enough common sense not to assume that the moderators of this form have the capability, resources, or authority to create a new FFXI server or make national decisions for Japan

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yes Selzak and i cleary said i expected the moderators of this forum to create a new FFXI server and make national descisions for Japan.

Oh wait...no i didn't

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Can we have an update on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Dale

And let me guess Nattack, you have all these qualities don't you. It just sucks we can't all be as educated, smart, and compassionate as you :)

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it sucks that you cant be educated period \('-'*) but i digress, its simple logic here, we dont need an american server. 8 years ago im sure nobody thought, gosh, japan is such a poor location for a server. there might be an apocalyptic earthquake someday.

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Yes i'm sure the people who head up these forums have no clue about anything...in fact they probably dont' even work for square, are based on Mars, and have no contact what so ever with planet earth. So who are we to dare ask them for an update about this game. We are so stupid for thinking they may know something we don't.

I totally agree, and we are being so unreasonable!

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they will restart server when japan governement say it's ok(it's not even SE decision)!

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If such an intense effort is being made to regulate these forums, it would be nice to see at least maybe a fraction of this same kind of effort being made to keep their customers updated to the current situation about the servers. That's all we are asking for. Let's see some emails letting me know how the servers are doing instead of emails threatening to bann me cause i wasn't mother teresa on a forum lol

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the server are ok (they were always) they are still shut down

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Originally Posted by Dale

yes Selzak and i cleary said i expected the moderators of this forum to create a new FFXI server and make national descisions for Japan.

Oh wait...no i didn't

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I was referring mostly to you and the princess (lol, internet) you seem to be white-knighting, but what makes you think that the moderators of this forum are going to have more info about the power shortage in Japan than CNN? SE (much less some random forum moderator) doesn't know anything more than what the government is announcing at this point.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Yes i'm sure the people who head up these forums have no clue about anything...in fact they probably dont' even work for square, are based on Mars, and have no contact what so ever with planet earth. So who are we to dare ask them for an update about this game. We are so stupid for thinking they may know something we don't.

I totally agree, and we are being so unreasonable!

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Hey, I didn't say the moderators were Martians! I don't get what you're trying to say!

If ya were to look at the japanese, french, or german sections of these forums; ya don't see them gripping about the down time.

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Originally Posted by Nattack

it sucks that you cant be educated period \('-'*) but i digress, its simple logic here, we dont need an american server. 8 years ago im sure nobody thought, gosh, japan is such a poor location for a server. there might be an apocalyptic earthquake someday.

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Yeah i know Nattack, just sucks so bad we can't all be as smart as you :)

Since someone brought up the socratic method while ago it brings this quote to mind, "Admitting once's ignorance is the first step to wisdom" :)

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Originally Posted by Haglaz

If ya were to look at the japanese, french, or german sections of these forums; ya don't see them gripping about the down time.

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What forums are you reading?

Edit: Here ya go. Right from the JP forums.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...9C%9F%E3%82%92

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Originally Posted by Dale

Yeah i know Nattack, just sucks so bad we can't all be as smart as you :)

Since someone brought up the socratic method while ago it brings this quote to mind, "Admitting once's ignorance is the first step to wisdom" :)

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Nattack is a cool guy

I wanted to post more, but Gadanae posted everything i was thinking, FFS.

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Originally Posted by Haglaz

If ya were to look at, french, or german sections of these forums; ya don't see them gripping about the down time.

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If ya were to look at french, or german sections of these forums; ya don't see anything