Posters on "JOB lv. 1" characters trolling

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Originally Posted by SNK

................wut?

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I think he means so that people can't pretend that they're me. We all know most of these forums secretly wishes they were.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

If you think you deserve to know me, you absolutely don't. I don't hide from you, you are uninvited. The more you want to know me, a complete stranger you dont like anyway, the more completely disgusting you must be. Stop worrying about me and figure out why you are so devoid of redeeming qualities. If I wanted to know you, I would.

Didn't read the thread. Don't care what you think. Get over yourself.

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+1. Poster wins this thread.

I don't think linking the account here has much, or rather anything to do with showing yourself, but more like the forum being a part of the service.

That's how I think of it anyways.

As for the rest of the topic, I wouldn't want them to force any more than they already have.
No forcing of certain characters being shown.
Forcing them avatars is bad enough!

lol

But yeah, if a person wants to "hide" behind a character, I'd say so be it; that should remain.
I may be sort of biased a little since I'm basically immune to them "trolls" and such and see no harm really as long as they play by them rules and if not, let them moderators sort 'em out. ^^

It must be really tough for people to base their opinions of somebody solely on the quality and consistency of their posts.

Would anybody here suddenly think less of Nightfyre (probably mangling his name) if he had posted under different account names on all the forums he has posted on? No, chances are he would have the same reputation as an intelligent and informative poster that he does now. I can go to his ah page *cough*stalking*cough* and look at his profile to see that he has only a few jobs leveled, yet he still seems to have a clear understanding of how those jobs fit into the game.

What the hell is going on here? How am I supposed to attack his posts if he's consistently right about stuff despite his seeming lack of experience in certain matters? I know, I'll blacklist him on this website. Except those damn tags, my curiosity always gets the better of me. I wish SE would take that choice away from everybody so that I don't have to be tempted by those damn tags.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

If you think you deserve to know me, you absolutely don't. I don't hide from you, you are uninvited. The more you want to know me, a complete stranger you dont like anyway, the more completely disgusting you must be. Stop worrying about me and figure out why you are so devoid of redeeming qualities. If I wanted to know you, I would.

Didn't read the thread. Don't care what you think. Get over yourself.

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Who are you again? Oh right, nobody.

There are much more people in Japanese forum who use mule's name.So I've been involved some arguments about it.
I don't stand their side,and I use main character name,because I have something to say.
And I thought,opinion belongs to my main character,which ran around the fields in Quetz,talk with people.And if someone hate my post,I don't want make he/she wonder "Who is this??".

As far as I have my word,You deserve to know me if you want to.
(I'm already showing part of myself in these words.and I don't scribble and run away,as my choice)

Sorry about my English ability,as always..

Whatever. I don't need to know your forum account to notice a terrible player. Neither do other people. Hiding behind a mule on a forum won't change that.

That's the point. You can't see someone's gear unless you cross reference them on a third party site, which isn't even mandatory. You can't tell anything about their playing by that gear either way (hello #1 ranked player in the game). Your next logical step is to have somebody stalk them in game to post their gear, and I'm pretty sure a lot of the people crying foul to people not using their in game names are the same type of people who get all butt hurt that BG has a gimp/confused/wtf player thread. So what do you gain by knowing an in game name? Nothing? Good. Base your opinions on somebody's actions. The only possible reason you could have to want to know their in game avatar is to attack them. I haven't seen one person here post a reason that didn't purvey that sentiment at heart.

Here's something else to think about. Do you guys think somebody like GG or Neisan go around spouting textbooks of speech to players in game? Not likely. Chances are they are just like the rest of us. They probably talk to their LS mates, joke around, and fill their time playing with lighthearted conversation. There's a good chance that how somebody acts on a forum is different than how they act in a game. I know I've talked down on certain jobs and styles of play, but on a conceptual level. That doesn't mean I'm going to refuse to play with the guy in my LS who likes to whip out his sword on RDM every chance he gets. I'm also not going to refuse to do an event just because we don't have the accepted job spread to win. I play the game to have fun. I come to forums to get the most unbiased information I can to help improve my self and the people I play with.

You know what else? I know people who (stupidly) used their real names as their characters. After this many years they shouldn't be forced to change their names just to protect themselves on an online forum. That right there is enough reason to allow mules and separate accounts.

Again this forum linking was a sad failed attempt by SE to make us play nice. The best fights on here have been between people with thier mains listed.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Again this fotum linking was a sad failed attempt by SE to make us play nice. The best fights on here have been between people with thier mains listed.

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No, usually it's a fight between someone with a listed main and someone who has not listed a real main.

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There's a good chance that how somebody acts on a forum is different than how they act in a game.

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Actually I'm quite certain that they do provide technical information in-game like they do on the forums- just only when somebody asks for it. The people I do know ingame who post on this forum are not much different here than there. The chance is much higher that someone who doesn't list their main is behaving differently on the forums- usually more trollish.

I also don't know many bad apples in game who aren't also bad apples on whatever forum they happen to frequent.

Seriously. The -only- real reason to hide your main character on the forums is so you can troll with no repercussions, or because you screwed somebody in-game and you don't want them to know who you are here so you don't get called out for it. There is pretty much no way to deny this. Hacking fears is a B.S. excuse because it's not true.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, usually it's a fight between someone with a listed main and someone who has not listed a real main.

Actually I'm quite certain that they do provide technical information in-game like they do on the forums- just only when somebody asks for it. The people I do know ingame who post on this forum are not much different here than there. The chance is much higher that someone who doesn't list their main is behaving differently on the forums- usually more trollish.

I also don't know many bad apples in game who aren't also bad apples on whatever forum they happen to frequent.

Seriously. The -only- real reason to hide your main character on the forums is so you can troll with no repercussions, or because you screwed somebody in-game and you don't want them to know who you are here so you don't get called out for it. There is pretty much no way to deny this. Hacking fears is a B.S. excuse because it's not true.

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A couple friends have taken to calling me a walking ffxi encyclopedia, but it's more that I've become a mighty LMGTFY master. The difference between my forum posting and my attitude in-game are night and day, though it's rare that people I know in-game post on the forums in the first place so it doesn't come up often.

What, do people really think I'd be a successful leader of both social and endgame linkshells for over 7 years now if I was a ginormous douchebag to anyone and everyone?

Anecdotal evidence is best evidence.

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What, do people really think I'd be a successful leader of both social and endgame linkshells for over 7 years now if I was a ginormous douchebag to anyone and everyone?

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Well, are you saying you consider yourself to be a ginormous douchebag on the forums? That's not really what I see, at least not most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Well, are you saying you consider yourself to be a ginormous douchebag on the forums? That's not really what I see, at least not most of the time.

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Ha. I think that comes down to perspective.

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Originally Posted by analhelm

The -only- real reason to hide your main character on the forums is so you can troll with no repercussions

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You keep bringing this up, and people keep correcting you: not agreeing with you =/= trolling. Take Dallas for example. He posts from a mule account and is at disagreement with pretty much everybody on these forums. Does that make him a troll? No, it makes him a laughing stock, and pretty much wrong about everything in life, but he's not a troll.

And when has somebody using their in game name stopped them from actually trolling you? It's so easy to do; you almost do it to yourself most times.

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Originally Posted by TybudX

You keep bringing this up, and people keep correcting you: not agreeing with you =/= trolling. Take Dallas for example. He posts from a mule account and is at disagreement with pretty much everybody on these forums. Does that make him a troll? No, it makes him a laughing stock, and pretty much wrong about everything in life, but he's not a troll.

And when has somebody using their in game name stopped them from actually trolling you? It's so easy to do; you almost do it to yourself most times.

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If you were posting with your main character revealed, someone on Fenrir might look at your posts and go "this guys a fn retard, holy shit im never doing anything with this moron"...instead they just disregard it.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

If you were posting with your main character revealed, someone on Fenrir might look at your posts and go "this guys a fn retard, holy shit im never doing anything with this moron"...instead they just disregard it.

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It's usually the other way around. I often times read something really stupid, look over at the user name, look down at the server and character name, and nod my head in shame. Most server idiots are well known without the help of forums.

But I agree. Why hide information? If none of us are important, then why act as if your information is so important that you feel the need to hide it from everyone? Very few people on this forum have a notorious enough reputation to even be remembered. If someone fears becoming one of these people, then just avoid being a jackass and everything should be fine.

Back in the day Gilgamesh had its share of trolls, Blynk + co. After 5 years of blatantly stealing peoples shit, there were STILL morons who'd respond to his BCNM shouts and STILL shout an hour later how "this prick jacked my drops it was supposed to be your orb your drop".

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

This stops nothing, it's not like you can't go from 30-99 in one day if wanted.

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Or just use a gardening account that only has lvl 1 characters like I do.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, usually it's a fight between someone with a listed main and someone who has not listed a real main.

Actually I'm quite certain that they do provide technical information in-game like they do on the forums- just only when somebody asks for it. The people I do know ingame who post on this forum are not much different here than there. The chance is much higher that someone who doesn't list their main is behaving differently on the forums- usually more trollish.

I also don't know many bad apples in game who aren't also bad apples on whatever forum they happen to frequent.

Seriously. The -only- real reason to hide your main character on the forums is so you can troll with no repercussions, or because you screwed somebody in-game and you don't want them to know who you are here so you don't get called out for it. There is pretty much no way to deny this. Hacking fears is a B.S. excuse because it's not true.

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Oh yes the sorry old "you have nothing to fear unless you have something to hide" argument. This has always been a discredited argument. It is legitimate to want privacy for it's own sake.

Also if you'd spent any time on 4chan you'd understand why some people are adamant about remaining Anonymous. There are people on the internet who will track you down IRL and and ruin your life just for laughs. Encyclopedia Dramatica is full of stories like this.

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Oh yes the sorry old "you have nothing to fear unless you have something to hide" argument. This has always been a discredited argument. It is legitimate to want privacy for it's own sake.

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No, it was never a discredited argument. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either. If you want privacy, don't post on a forum. There's a reason there's no private message feature. Everything is kept out in the open, and you shouldn't be saying anything you're not willing to own up to even if you're on a lv1 mule. The only reason to want privacy on this forum is because you've done something bad you don't want people to find out about / you want to talk about it without people knowing who did it.

Nobody is going to come after you in game because you posted something on this forum. There is nothing to fear unless you have something bad to hide, it's a plain, simple fact. Again, your character and main job level are not like your name address and phone number (which are a violation of the forum rules to discuss). No actual harm can come to you by revealing it.

<<<<< That's the real deal right there. My main is Tahngarthor, I'm a level 99 PUP and I'm on Shiva. COME GET ME!

Sharing information is down to the person themselves to decide (especially when it serves no purpose other than the curiosity of your fellow posters), sorry but you don't get to decide where everyone else draws the line mr Alha. Anyway that whole argument is beside the point, the real argument was that it would stop trolling and that's nonsense, trolls thrive off the notoriety of it, they want you to know who they are.

The front page and past history of trolling here debunks the entire "anon = troll" argument. Account linking was added to make people know that their actions here were linked to their accounts (not a specific char) and not to out people. You people just have to accept you ain't going to have your way so if it means so much to you either find a forum that has this (none exist) or learn to live with it.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Sharing information is down to the person themselves to decide (especially when it serves no purpose other than the curiosity of your fellow posters), sorry but you don't get to decide where everyone else draws the line mr Alha. Anyway that whole argument is beside the point, the real argument was that it would stop trolling and that's nonsense, trolls thrive off the notoriety of it, they want you to know who they are.

The front page and past history of trolling here debunks the entire "anon = troll" argument. Account linking was added to make people know that their actions here were linked to their accounts (not a specific char) and not to out people. You people just have to accept you ain't going to have your way so if it means so much to you either find a forum that has this (none exist) or learn to live with it.

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Your reasoning is faulty. We've been required to log in to the forums with our Square Enix Accounts from the get-go, and were told on Day 1 of the forum release that any actions taken on the forums could also result in disciplinary consequences for our game accounts.

GMs do not need account linking to see our SE account or our character data. In fact, I must disagree with the usage of the term "Account linking" here at all. Our Square Enix accounts have always been linked to our forum data. The only change to this was making Character data public and mandatory.

As far as I'm concerned, people who want to bypass the system will always find a way to bypass the system. However, this does not change the intent of the system. It's clear that the developers wanted us to treat these forums like we would Port Jeuno shouts or Linkshell chat - where people would know our character names if we decided to make an ass of ourselves. Whether they choose to more strictly enforce this or not is up to them, though I doubt any measures they take will definitively stop people from avoiding identification if they're dead-set on doing so.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Also if you'd spent any time on 4chan you'd understand why some people are adamant about remaining Anonymous. There are people on the internet who will track you down IRL and and ruin your life just for laughs. Encyclopedia Dramatica is full of stories like this.

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comparing ffxi forums to /b/...fkn lol

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We've been required to log in to the forums with our Square Enix Accounts from the get-go, and were told on Day 1 of the forum release that any actions taken on the forums could also result in disciplinary consequences for our game accounts.

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Being told to follow the rules and having to take action on your forum acc to link it to something more valuable (game account) are two different things.

I didn't really consider that they would take action on your SE account because of something done on here till then at least.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Being told to follow the rules and having to take action on your forum acc to link it to something more valuable (game account) are two different things.

I didn't really consider that they would take action on your SE account because of something done on here till then at least.

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That's a matter of your perception, then. Nothing has changed on their side. They have always said that they reserve the right to penalize our game accounts if we stir up too much shit on the forums, from the very beginning. They do not use this power often, but they have once before - and did so before public characters were even made mandatory. That was an extreme case, though, and the person in question was clearly a danger to himself and others.

Our forum accounts have always been linked to our game accounts. Period. From day 1. The only thing that changed was the fact that other posters can now see some of that information. I'm not sure how much more clear this can be made.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Nobody is going to come after you in game because you posted something on this forum.

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Then what difference does it make if somebody posts their main account name? All I can see is that you are butt hurt and want to stalk people to use their gear/jobs/other experiences against them. If you were that confidant in your positions it wouldn't matter that you can or can't see somebody elses' character.

Then why hide?

The whole "protecting my identity" argument for lvl 1 forum characters is pretty paper thin. I'd wager not a single persons account was hacked/life was disrupted because of this forum showing a characters name. It's also already been mentioned if someone could get ahold of your mule account, they'll also get your main. Good thinking guys.

The point that's been made, which is an obvious one, is that the mules are used to hide the mains. For whatever reason, it's still hiding. It's still suspicious. Don't get all butthurt when you get called on it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Nobody is going to come after you in game because you posted something on this forum.

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Really? Because this happened to me in EQ where I said something online that pissed someone off (something to the effect that I wasn't going to cowtow to someone because of what guild he was in) and he had his guild harass me for over a year and a half.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Again, your character and main job level are not like your name address and phone number (which are a violation of the forum rules to discuss). No actual harm can come to you by revealing it.

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Wrong again, it can be used as a cross reference between sites when trying to track someone down. If you want to be a naive fool be my guest but don't try to force it on other people.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

comparing ffxi forums to /b/...fkn lol

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If you are a /b/tard (personally I stick to /v/ and /tg/) then you are well aware that information can be cross referenced across forums to track down IRL info on people. You should know that staying Anonymous as much as possible on the internet is a good idea.

Its simply really. If you don't want people to know who you are, then just don't post at all.

If someone REALLY wants to find out who you are, hiding behind a level 1 mule isnt going to stop them.

hello OP, i agree wit u. players should b at least past their lvl caps to comment on tanaka's glorious ffxi.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If you are a /b/tard (personally I stick to /v/ and /tg/) then you are well aware that information can be cross referenced across forums to track down IRL info on people. You should know that staying Anonymous as much as possible on the internet is a good idea.

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What sounds easier to you:
A-Figuring out who your main char is despite your "best efforts" to hide it.
B-Finding your real name, location, city, girlfriend, virginity, job based on your FFXI name.


And, i'd like to point out why the whole "just blist the mule accounts" wont work:
Hordecore's threads still exist...but a board admin was clearly around here cleaning posts up (my mockery [to the devs] was removed from my thread title), on top of the fact that hordecore routinely bumps his pointless threads. blisting doesnt make them disappear...

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Originally Posted by MojoJojo

The whole "protecting my identity" argument for lvl 1 forum characters is pretty paper thin. I'd wager not a single persons account was hacked/life was disrupted because of this forum showing a characters name. It's also already been mentioned if someone could get ahold of your mule account, they'll also get your main. Good thinking guys.

The point that's been made, which is an obvious one, is that the mules are used to hide the mains. For whatever reason, it's still hiding. It's still suspicious. Don't get all butthurt when you get called on it.

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He posted his anger! OMG, the butthurt. Random demand for vengeance must be sated!

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[Then what difference does it make if somebody posts their main account name?

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The difference is greater confidence in that poster's posts. We've said it a thousand times already. Countering with "oh, you must be butt hurt" only proves my point and shows how much of an immature troll you are, just like almost every other lv.1 poster I've seen on this board.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Who are you again? Oh right, nobody.

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And don't you forget it. I'm the best @!#$ player of a job that isn't even on the guest list.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The difference is greater confidence in that poster's posts... Countering with "oh, you must be butt hurt" only proves my point and shows how much of an immature troll you are, just like almost every other lv.1 poster I've seen on this board.

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No, I countered with greater confidence being attributed by a consistent pattern of behaviour. I honestly don't know why you seem so fixated on the character listed beside somebody's name. Try it. Ask yourself what you would think of GG's posts if he had his character listed as a level 1 mule. Now he's a troll, right? There's no way for you to tell what his character name and server are, he is a troll.

You's ought to give level 10 a whirl some time ! !! !

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Oh oopsies! I forgot I leveled up RNG.
Time to switch that out of the trio!

Lol, I'd level up to 99 SMN again but I can't play for real and leave this mule out to mock people, so no point.