SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

if you have 6 tails, a single BLM could do enough damage in 10 minutes to kill him

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

I still think it should have been a solo fight, as it should be about you and your job and not about you and a group of other people. No matter what the difficulty level is, this feels just... wrong. :S

That's what I think anyways.
Obviously the FFXI developers have a different kind of mind-set, which means this a good idea...

What¿?

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I see this as more as a understaffed team working on the content. Its much easier to design a BC fight around a party rather then making unique AI for each job. Just shows you what kind of content we can exspect from now on.

What? You guys are finally getting to see Asuran Fists back to back?
Now you know my pain when I had 6 of them back-to-back when I was doing THF Maat. >:l

[I used P.Dodge, and he used asuran fists over and over. 2hr ended, then two final asurans killed me. Whoo.]

I'm 0/4 so far... yes its a difficult fight, but idm it cause its the last LB fight, it should at least be difficult.
I remember when i fought Maat, and went 1/3, when i won that fight i was so happy i was shaking afterwards lol.

This fight isn't hard so much as the ability for it to go south fast is very high and it is a 10min time limit. Personally, I went 1/4 but first fight we timed out, second fight we didn't have the plan laid out well and wiped, third time I chop up to us all being tired (mainly due to how crowded it was and waiting/spamming BC just to get back in) and by the 4th time...it was so easy we wondered why it took us 4 tries to do it.

I had a lot of fun this fight. going 3/3(helping LS mates).

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

Ever heard of a thing called stun?

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From what, the BLM or the /DRK peoples? If you have access to "stun" then you just nuke it anyway.

The real point is that your WS will miss due to how server - client lag works. The monster is never where you see it, it's always one to three steps ahead and thus the client's targeting system will always be out of range when the monster is moving.

Should be pretty easy for pretty much any party-set up with 6 tails to win. I don't think its unreasonable to farm the necessary items given that it is the final LB. I wouldn't be surprised if most parties that have failed did not have a full set of tails. I'm a noob and I won!

this bulletin is so lol
but seriously, you guys think that this is an outrage?
cancel your subscription.
thnxbai

I went 1/2 on it - no tails - SMN x2 DRG NIN BLU MNK. PD'd all throughout the battle - last PD wore, he was at like 6%, people started dropping, I dropped, got back up, he's at 1%, taru SMN starts running away, everyone's yelling at him to stop, he does, I run up to Atori and quadratic continuum'd that ***** and now my level cap is 99 and Idk why people say this fight is hard because it really isn't.

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Originally Posted by Harukusan

I find it funny that so many people have trouble with this really simple fight. I guess that's all it takes to separate the relic/emp holders from the normal players.

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fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by Koroma

fixed that for you.

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Because relics/emps mean so much when damage caps at 100/hit

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Because relics/emps mean so much when damage caps at 100/hit

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olde rarab tail removes it -.-

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Originally Posted by Harukusan

I find it funny that so many people have trouble with this really simple fight. I guess that's all it takes to separate the boys from the men, or the good and the bad.

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Originally Posted by Koroma

fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by Koroma

olde rarab tail removes it -.-

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yes but men do it without

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Because relics/emps mean so much when damage caps at 100/hit

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is that what it is? oh...... i thought something was up cuz i was pulling hate off a ukon war in my ls.. upon closer inspection we were hitting for almost the same damage per hit but of course i'm dual wielding and hitting way faster. but i could not think of any reason for him to NOT be hitting WAY harder than me per swing.. like, no amount of defense on that mob would gimp HIS hits that low without gimping mine even lower.. made no sense...



also, just ftr. 1/2, no rarab tails, no perfect defense. all it really took was replacing the mule characters with people actually playing, and letting the tank tank. was actually kinda fun.. ls leader: "ok guys fight behind it" me: "fuck that, i'm fighting right behind ****** for easy cover >.>" (cover actually did end up saving me, but i fought 90 degrees to the side so it couldn't counter me)

edit: well actually there's prolly the most obvious evidence that it's not THAT bad.. i lolmeleerdm'ed it and we won without a gimmick setup or using a single tail...

Well I failed him again this afternoon because I'm a nub summoner who doesn't know how to play her job (thanks to GoV and Abyssea book grinding) so I popped Alex at the start, at 25% he owned us. My ls told me about when I should pop Alex in all future fights, so when it came to the next one this time I waited out until 25% just using regular bloodpacts with shiva, one person popped a tail sending him rushing around so I dismissed shiva and had my finger hovering over the 2hr button for when he stopped running like a headless chicken. Perfect defense right after he stopped running and about a minute later he went down. Granted 4 members were beastmasters and there was 1 red mage for emergency healing and nuking the last 20% off him.

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

For the record I am 3/3 on the original RDM Maat for friends. I bet 99% of you would have been the WHM levelers.

I want a challenging BCNM, not a BCNM that forces me to level jobs I am not interested in.

EDIT: Got my Monk from 75 to 95 last night after 3 years of stagnation. Grabbed some Elshena and am on my way to skill-up H2H to cap. Then I will go ahead and PD MNK burn it and then come in here and talk about how easy it was and how much the rest of you suck.

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Originally Posted by hiko

yes but men do it without

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Awesome post!

men play catgirls in online role-playing games

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

For the record I am 3/3 on the original RDM Maat for friends. I bet 99% of you would have been the WHM levelers.

I want a challenging BCNM, not a BCNM that forces me to level jobs I am not interested in.

EDIT: Got my Monk from 75 to 95 last night after 3 years of stagnation. Grabbed some Elshena and am on my way to skill-up H2H to cap. Then I will go ahead and PD MNK burn it and then come in here and talk about how easy it was and how much the rest of you suck.

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for the record, i beat maat on rdm.... 6 years ago. so i'm not impressed... and i beat this taru with pld nin whm bst rdm and mnk. what job is that centric on? we don't have 2 of anything? and we used no rarab tails...

Too bad you beat a nerfed version. So I'M not impressed.

Anyone who beat this on a standard setup is LUCKY, not skilled. It means you didn't get the back to back light skill chains plus another Asuran on top of it with-in 5 seconds on your tank. Lucky. Not skilled.

by that logic you should be able to just keep going until you get 'lucky" if you've been "unlucky" 10 times, and i got "lucky' my first time with my regular group.. is that really "luck"?

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

by that logic you should be able to just keep going until you get 'lucky" if you've been "unlucky" 10 times, and i got "lucky' my first time with my regular group.. is that really "luck"?

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And by your unintelligible logic, the guy who bought 5 lottery tickets and won and the guy who bought 500 and didn't win, was skilled not lucky. Get a clue.

my tanks lowest HP was 1200, learn to stun

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Originally Posted by Finuve

my tanks lowest HP was 1200, learn to stun

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Your comment is value-less without your "tanks" gear setup.

except this isn't a lottery, and you're not as good at this as you seem to think.. if you really believed luck could just hand you a free win, why would you be off leveling monk to PD burn it? it's not exactly hard to "try again" roll those dice that "gave" me my "lucky" win.

i don't even care if they gimp this fight for you. i have no vested interest in this being hard, my problem is your attitude. "i beat maat! so i'm good, you pussies didn't, i can just FEEL you didn't. therefore, anyone other than me who beat THIS lvl cap got lucky. since if i can't beat it, it cannot be legitimately beaten!"

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

except this isn't a lottery, and you're not as good at this as you seem to think.. if you really believed luck could just hand you a free win, why would you be off leveling monk to PD burn it? it's not exactly hard to "try again" roll those dice that "gave" me my "lucky" win.

i don't even care if they gimp this fight for you. i have no vested interest in this being hard, my problem is your attitude. "i beat maat! so i'm good, you pussies didn't, i can just FEEL you didn't. therefore, anyone other than me who beat THIS lvl cap got lucky. since if i can't beat it, it cannot be legitimately beaten!"

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And I don't like yours and everyone else's holier than thou attitude because you managed to beat it, luck or burning it, or had the advantage of ridiculously geared tanks. Beating this BCNM doesn't mean YOU the individual are good at all. Because if it was all about how good YOU are, then shut your mouth and put the money up and go solo him.

This is about new players, recent returning players who don't have all the top notch gear yet, and the average player who needs to go through this BCNM just to enjoy level 99. This isn't an HNM, it's not a God, it doesn't drop sweet loots, it's a limit break quest and everyone who plays this game, pays the same monthly fee as you and has every right to complete it without having to halt their forward advancement of the jobs they like to go level another one to get through it. Without having to hope they get in a good party or get into a lucky BCNM. Without having to pay some greedy group of people to do it for them. Without having to answer a shout for a LB fight with a "No thanks." because they don't have the job that particularly party wants to burn with or because their shield doesn't say Aegis or Ochain on it, etc.

And this is just like the lottery. None of the players control the taru and when and what weapon skills he will use, how much he spams them for and how much damage they do, or what skillchain he makes. Just like the lottery, all those combinations are computer generated.

This is BS for a limit quest fight and even after I beat it, which I will, I will still think it is BS and use my newly acquired 95 Monk to help others get over the hump too, free of charge.

Let's talk about who is really unskilled, it's the majority of you, who needed RDM Maat gimped, who needed CoP missions gimped, who needed Abyssea and GoV exp handed on a silver platter with atmas that make you look much better than you are. Without that, all your 95 jobs would still be underleveled in the 30s and you would have your one 67 job struggling to get by in the environments that many others thrived on. So I guess those were the truly skilled people.

I still don't remember there being luck

PLD WHM SMN DRK THF THF in my party, we beat the fight using a normal strat of the tank tanks everyone else fights, we just didnt WS due to the fights odd mechanics

when the taru used hundred fists the PLD popped an olde rarab tail, when he started to run I cast stun and everyone WSed while he couldnt move

we then chased him around for free hits and I spammed weapon bash til it got off for more free hits

at 10% the summoner used alexander, but it was more a screw it we already won heres some insurance type of thing

this fight is not hard, stop pretending like it is, and stop pretending that people need specific jobs to win, I can make combinations that any job can fit into (I did the same thing beating CoP doing every mission on DRK)

just take some time and THINK and the fight is not hard

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Originally Posted by Finuve

I still don't remember there being luck

PLD WHM SMN DRK THF THF in my party, we beat the fight using a normal strat of the tank tanks everyone else fights, we just didnt WS due to the fights odd mechanics

when the taru used hundred fists the PLD popped an olde rarab tail, when he started to run I cast stun and everyone WSed while he couldnt move

we then chased him around for free hits and I spammed weapon bash til it got off for more free hits

at 10% the summoner used alexander, but it was more a screw it we already won heres some insurance type of thing

this fight is not hard, stop pretending like it is, and stop pretending that people need specific jobs to win, I can make combinations that any job can fit into (I did the same thing beating CoP doing every mission on DRK)

just take some time and THINK and the fight is not hard

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One problem with your strategy, the taru can and does often spam light skillchains, back to back with-in seconds on top of a third Asuran. All it took was for luck to go in the other direction for you and drop your tank and the fight goes from easy and controlled to a full wipe.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

One problem with your strategy, the taru can and does often spam light skillchains, back to back with-in seconds on top of a third Asuran. All it took was for luck to go in the other direction for you and drop your tank and the fight goes from easy and controlled to a full wipe.

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do you remember in the other post where I mentioned stun? has abyssea really been around long enough that people forgot that when somthing strong is going off, they can stun it, i mean crazy right, if I see my tank take a lot of damage from asuran fists, maybe I'll idk immediately stun so he can get healed instead of eating another asuran fists, crazy IDK, and I have no idea how this would work because I didn't do it or anything while I did the fight

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Originally Posted by Finuve

do you remember in the other post where I mentioned stun? has abyssea really been around long enough that people forgot that when somthing strong is going off, they can stun it, i mean crazy right, if I see my tank take a lot of damage from asuran fists, maybe I'll idk immediately stun so he can get healed instead of eating another asuran fists, crazy IDK, and I have no idea how this would work because I didn't do it or anything while I did the fight

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Are you missing the back to back part? It's happening so fast that by the time people hit the stun macro our tanks are dropping.

"who is really unskilled...." wow.. again, get over yourself. you're not the only one in this room who beat maat "back in the day" and since you mentioned it, i beat cop before they gimped it to.. yes, before the FIRST gimp. not the new one where they removed all the lvl caps, the gimp YEARS go.. before that one. oh, also.. all the jobs i have at 95+ now, i had at 75 before abyssea came out. (granted it's only 3, but if i had wanted a 4th i would have leveled it 3 years ago..)

so stop whipping this arbitrary stuff out like it proves you're better.

1) it doesn't, honestly my collective response could be summed up as *yawn* "been there done that"
2) it doesn't help you anyway... and until you can wave that resume at the taru and he goes "oh shit! nvm, i give up" it never will.


obviously this taru has bruised your mighty maat beating ego. sorry guy. like i said, if SE wants to make it easier i have no problem with that, but don't sit there and rattle on about how you somehow "deserve" this win more than me because you THINK you've been playing longer and you CLAIM to have been good half a decade ago..

also i'd like to point out, i wasn't in this thread telling people they suck, i just mentioned it was only marginally difficult for me, and with proper planning it seemed like most people should be able to do it.

get a tank that doesnt suck, even if he gets light off it should not kill, and by the time the animation is playing for the second WS you will ALWAYS have enough time for a stun

so use strat I mentioned, find tank that doesnt die from Light, make sure stunner can fricking stun

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Let's talk about who is really unskilled, it's the majority of you, who needed RDM Maat gimped, who needed CoP missions gimped, who needed Abyssea and GoV exp handed on a silver platter with atmas that make you look much better than you are. Without that, all your 95 jobs would still be underleveled in the 30s and you would have your one 67 job struggling to get by in the environments that many others thrived on. So I guess those were the truly skilled people.

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so wait, you are going to sit there and say because you beat CoP capped it makes you skilled, fraid not, CoP was capped because they could not think of any real challenges for us, all that shows is you remember how to play your job at lower levels, you're not skilled because you beat it with the cap on, I agree with you on the abyssea points though, most players are unskilled due to it, this fight is a disappointment, you people that love it can have it. I wanted a real challenge, not a 3 to 6 man fight....something I didn't have to rely on other players for because as you said lack of skill comes into play for most, I agree that the final LB should be a challenge, you people throwing direct insults at each other really need to grow up.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

"who is really unskilled...." wow.. again, get over yourself. you're not the only one in this room who beat maat "back in the day" and since you mentioned it, i beat cop before they gimped it to.. yes, before the FIRST gimp. not the new one where they removed all the lvl caps, the gimp YEARS go.. before that one. oh, also.. all the jobs i have at 95+ now, i had at 75 before abyssea came out. (granted it's only 3, but if i had wanted a 4th i would have leveled it 3 years ago..)

so stop whipping this arbitrary stuff out like it proves you're better.

1) it doesn't, honestly my collective response could be summed up as *yawn* "been there done that"
2) it doesn't help you anyway... and until you can wave that resume at the taru and he goes "oh shit! nvm, i give up" it never will.


obviously this taru has bruised your mighty maat beating ego. sorry guy. like i said, if SE wants to make it easier i have no problem with that, but don't sit there and rattle on about how you somehow "deserve" this win more than me because you THINK you've been playing longer and you CLAIM to have been good half a decade ago..

also i'd like to point out, i wasn't in this thread telling people they suck, i just mentioned it was only marginally difficult for me, and with proper planning it seemed like most people should be able to do it.

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The only people here who are making claims that someone deserves the win more than others are the jackoffs like you with their boys and men comments and all those who are struggling with it must suck. I am waiting for you to solo it.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

so wait, you are going to sit there and say because you beat CoP capped it makes you skilled, fraid not, CoP was capped because they could not think of any real challenges for us, all that shows is you remember how to play your job at lower levels, you're not skilled because you beat it with the cap on, I agree with you on the abyssea points though, most players are unskilled due to it, this fight is a disappointment, you people that love it can have it. I wanted a real challenge, not a 3 to 6 man fight....something I didn't have to rely on other players for because as you said lack of skill comes into play for most, I agree that the final LB should be a challenge, you people throwing direct insults at each other really need to grow up.

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solo challenges got old with maat, team challenges are what ffxi is built on

my only problem with this LB fight was it was too easy and allowed you to use a gimmick item CoP style

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

so wait, you are going to sit there and say because you beat CoP capped it makes you skilled, fraid not, CoP was capped because they could not think of any real challenges for us, all that shows is you remember how to play your job at lower levels, you're not skilled because you beat it with the cap on, I agree with you on the abyssea points though, most players are unskilled due to it, this fight is a disappointment, you people that love it can have it. I wanted a real challenge, not a 3 to 6 man fight....something I didn't have to rely on other players for because as you said lack of skill comes into play for most, I agree that the final LB should be a challenge, you people throwing direct insults at each other really need to grow up.

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I am fine with it being a challenge, one that all jobs can engage in, probably should be a solo challenge, then those who actually know their jobs win, the ones who deserve it, not the ones who just hit attack and ws macros.

Not everyone can have the top notch gear right away, it takes awhile, especially for people who have to farm their seals with randoms, etc. The entire BCNM relies on you having 6 people that know their job and above average gear to win. That's not what a limit break is about.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I am fine with it being a challenge, one that all jobs can engage in, probably should be a solo challenge, then those who actually know their jobs win, the ones who deserve it, not the ones who just hit attack and ws macros.

Not everyone can have the top notch gear right away, it takes awhile, especially for people who have to farm their seals with randoms, etc. The entire BCNM relies on you having 6 people that know their job and above average gear to win. That's not what a limit break is about.

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aer you seriously claiming that not all jobs can win this fight? is this 6 years ago CoP all over again where we have a few foolish people convincing others that they HAVE to have certain jobs

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Originally Posted by Finuve

aer you seriously claiming that not all jobs can win this fight? is this 6 years ago CoP all over again where we have a few foolish people convincing others that they HAVE to have certain jobs

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Yes, I am. I have PLD 95, NIN 95 and THF 95. My PLD gear is too average since I just came back 3 weeks ago, so most people wont even invite me on my PLD. My NIN and THF don't DD it enough for all the burn parties so they don't want that.

I have now been 95 MNK for less than 12 hours and I am actually getting tells for random LB invites. That's BS.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Yes, I am. I have PLD 95, NIN 95 and THF 95. My PLD gear is too average since I just came back 3 weeks ago, so most people wont even invite me on my PLD. My NIN and THF don't DD it enough for all the burn parties so they don't want that.

I have now been 95 MNK for less than 12 hours and I am actually getting tells for random LB invites. That's BS.

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well based on that claim then in the words of Shao Kahn, Its Official, You Suck