Final Fantasy XI 2.0

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Originally Posted by Byrth

FFXI was the "first MMO" for a lot of FF fanboys/girls. It popped their MMO cherries, so to speak. I think the nostalgia value of the game is huge for these people, and they'd flock back to it if an update were released, and FFXIV would summarily die from the loss of players.

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I never understood the problem that some people have with FFXI being the first MMO they played. Someone that has played 2 or 3 other MMOs is no more entitled to express an opinion because if you dont play 1 year+ 20 hours+ a week to an MMO I doubt your are knowledgeable about the game. I think a lot of people think their comparison with other games is valid when they only played other games a few months. Call them fanboys all you want but that is what mmos players are made of . The reason wow succeeded is because it attracted all the fanboys from warcraft. A majority of their player probably only ever played one mmo too.

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Originally Posted by Phen

I don't think a re-release would work for FFXI because its core systems really show their age. Craft system, skill system, terrible balance, some drop systems, UI. It really comes in before ps2 limitations as age limitations. Yes they could certainly change all of this with that sorta money- but they wont. And its not because they cant its because this team has never felt like doing that. That's there prerogative but not listening to your player base more seems silly(ex: PW till people got sick, current state of several jobs, "nobody uses Abyssea to exp" voidwatch drop distribution is fine).


Im still of the opinion in the long run its better FFXIV failed because square has been much better at PR since then. Its worth noting- didnt these forums come about when FFXIV needed forums for damage control? I recall them both popping up at the same time.

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EVE is almost as old as FFXI.

People stay with FFXI because they like it's oldschool design. There is still a market for a hardcore MMO, If there wasn't FFXI wouldn't still have 300k subscribers and EVE would not have 500k.

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Originally Posted by Molech

I just love this thread, people just can't accept the fact that XI isn't and never was going be the future after the release of XIV. XIV was always the future, sure it failed pretty hard and lots of hard lessons were learned but it was always going to be the replacement and if they scrapped 14 then I'm sure 15 or whatever the next MMO FF was going to be next was in line for XI's replacement.

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Anyone else notice how people with opinions similar the above all have extremely low post counts?

Ever since 2011 idiots have been saying ffxi is dying. With level 99 I think we will be busy for 1 year and after that I'll look at ffxiv v2

Compare FFXI to FFXIV. I think FFXI is soaring high into the sky like an cake aeroplane with bacon wings.

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Originally Posted by Xellith

Compare FFXI to FFXIV. I think FFXI is soaring high into the sky like an cake aeroplane with bacon wings.

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That sounds delicious, but your meaning is entirely obscured by the analogy being stupid.

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Call them fanboys all you want but that is what mmos players are made of . The reason wow succeeded is because it attracted all the fanboys from warcraft. A majority of their player probably only ever played one mmo too.

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Well, yes and no. Granted, Warcraft has a lot of brand recognition (but more than Final Fantasy? Probably not, at least at WoW's launch), but I think the biggest factors were that it got a lot of press for being a radically more acccessible take on the well-known-but-famously-opaque MMORPG and since then it's actually taken a lot of steps to release new content very quickly and completely re-invent itself through expansions.

It may be that WoW was the first MMO for a lot of people, but that doesn't mean it was the last. WAR and AoC were propped up through huge launches by bored WoW players who were looking for something new out of the formula, were disappointed by those games' glaring and persistent flaws, and by and large returned to WoW when a new patch came out. I remember seeing the subscription numbers for WAR a few years ago; they explode at launch (9/08) and then immediately tank when Wrath of the Lich King comes out (11/08). It's hilarious.

I mean, the whole package might not be your cup of tea but you've got to admit that WoW did a lot of things differently than its forebears, took a lot of risks (a subscription-based MMORPG with an easy leveling curve and accessible endgame? Just begging for people to get bored!), and has done a lot more right than it's done wrong. It succeeded because it is a very good game, and Blizzard deserves its boats of money.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

People stay with FFXI because they like it's oldschool design. There is still a market for a hardcore MMO, If there wasn't FFXI wouldn't still have 300k subscribers and EVE would not have 500k.

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At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, Heroic raiding in WoW is considerably more difficult than any content in FFXI right now.

Truth be told, I like both FFXI and WoW quite a bit and have alternated between them over the years, but for the past year or so I've been pretty much exclusively FFXI and it's precisely because it's so much more casual-friendly when compared to Cataclysm.