Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

Also, bob, I'd reiterate my T&T advice from earlier; I can't say without a doubt that this will help, but one way you could conceivably raise your coin drop rates is to keep low-value Rare items you get from the chests in your inventory. This will prevent them from loading, and I haven't seen anything to suggest the WoE chest works differently from BCNM chests in this regard.

I will try that. I just want to see other fluxes get populated. I kept trying to come different jobs to be of use. I first came pup , but puppet kept dieing and the HP down was a nightmare making puppet easy to one shot. So I thought I will come whm since so many people were dieing and no one heals. Then everyone came smn and bst so no one to heal.
Now I think i will try bst.
Maybe i should gather a party of bsts, I assume 6 bsts could clear 1-4

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Originally Posted by Krashport

IF ya would of read my full post, You would have seen that I've compare them. Out of the lowest time sink and easiest to get: NQ>HQ. All one needs are coins for the NQ there is way more involved in unlocking HQ

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Reread my comparison then because I pointed out how it took less time to get 2 Emp weapons to 85 stage than it would take to get 1 WoE weapon you want to 90. xbobx's numbers don't sound that far off which is why I compared against them. Also I'll argue when factoring in time and random factor for coins it is much easier to get Emp weapon than it is a WoE weapon.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

No, I do not. If I am thinking about playing a new job, I need to carefully weigh the costs and benefits of doing so.

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So compensating for lower drops on items that you need to get by increasing drops on items you don't need = waste of time. glad we cleared that up.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Gosh, I hadn't thought of that! Tell you what: next time I have to lot against somebody else for a Coin of Decay, I'll be sure to pass!

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I wish you could. Someone else might actually need them and not want to spend a month on it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

On the other hand, individual treasure chests give one player’s worth of rewards, so it’s possible that the volume feels a bit poor. However, you are guaranteed to obtain these rewards and it is equivalent to the results after lotting. Since we have prepared this on an individual scale, in actuality the total number of rewards have increased. On this basis, the system has been set up so the total amount of coins, as well as the amount gained by a single player, will increase.

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No cause before you used to lot the coins u wanted now your forced to have the coins u don't want
Either way before i got 30 coins in 4-10 runs now ur looking at 70-100 runs lol so the amount gained by a single player hasn't increased.

Either way so far WoE is ALOT better but needs some fine tuning.

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

No cause before you used to lot the coins u wanted now your forced to have the coins u don't want
Either way before i got 30 coins in 4-10 runs now ur looking at 70-100 runs lol so the amount gained by a single player hasn't increased.

Either way so far WoE is ALOT better but needs some fine tuning.

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Sounds dead on to me.

Here is my personal result so far in 50+ runs:
Birth: 19
Advancement: 11
Glory: 18
Decay: 17
Ruin: 20

Atm, I need glory the most, but only got one in the last 7 runs. I agree with most ppl here, this new system takes longer to get the 30 coins you need.

At this point I'd say that the Carabosse/Cirein-Croin path is four times faster than farming WoE for coins, for an unbelievably superior weapon.

Only WoE weapons worth making atm are probably Dagger, Scythe, Polearm, and Staff. As for the rest the Empyrean is either easy as hell, or too good to pass up (HI 2 U GA and H2H).

I wouldn't mind synthesis materials and such if they were materials that people actually used for high level synthesis, instead of low rank junk that is of no use to a high level player or crafter.

Also, the drop rate of Devious Dice is absurdly low, considering WoE weapon's inferiority to Empyreans.
I suppose 150 dice is maybe easier than 1500 whatevers form voidwatch, but the trial upgrade for the emps is bigger in size. if the item is overall inferior and the upgrade smaller, the trial should be measurably easier. But it doesn't feel like it is.

The inherent problem with the dice will eventually be the fact that the only reason to continue doing walk of echoes is to build a walk of echoes weapon. If your server is like mine there are 80-200 people in WoE 24 hours a day. With all that traffic there have been 1-7 sales of the new spells on the AH. Clearly the drop rate for spells is mega low in WoE.

That being said, if spells are dropped more readily other places (voidwatch, ksnm) then the only people who will frequent WoE will be people upgrading a WoE weapon. This is an issue because once people get their weapon the rewards are so low on a cost/benefit ratio that nobody will continue doing it. This inevitably means people are going to need to farm the majority (if not the entirety) of the dice they will need for their weapon. It will be just like the current situation, but with less people playing and more required items.

This is just a really poorly thought out system for something that is several years old.

Easy solution to drops problem:

Remove singles completelly, only pouches should come from chests, with the same frequency as coins now.
Make an NPC that exchanges any coins for dies.

People can get 30 coins in a reasonable amount of time that way, and getting 100 dies should be just a bit easier than coins and people that were doing WoE for a long time already and stacking coins are getting some love as well.

Well initially I was quite pleased with the changes to WoE. However in the last 12-15 runs I have not seen a single coin drop even though I have been doing the same flux (9) and on the same job (Smn). My evaluation rarely fluctuates if that even has a bearing on drops... seems pretty random.

I am definitely very happy with how the event has been restructured. It feels as if WoE will take the place of what Campaign Battle used to, which the game has been sorely lacking. A place where people can go get some small cash drops, a small amount of xp, and now a shot at some big $$$ drops. The WoE version empy's mats just need to be balanced a bit I think. I'm not a huge fan of the make them lottable idea. Just needs a tweak here or there to the drop rate.

To people saying "why would anyone do this event when they can make so, and so empy in X amount of time" WoE offers a chance for people who do not dual box, who are short on play time per week, or just plain don't wish to team up a chance to make a decent weapon over time. When you add the xp/small gil rewards/chance at big $$$ drops/ and the option to sell the dice if you so choose... the system makes a lot of sense. A small tweak to reward vs evaluation, and SE has done very well with this one.

id just like it to change from :
Are you a Bst Smn Pup ? Y/N * if yes skip to option 4*
Are you any other job then Cor Rng thf/rng sam/rng Y/N * if no skip to option 4*
Change to Bst Smn Pup Cor Rng
Your good to Go

seriously when 0 chain and Aegis plds are getitng there shit packed in because theres 15 smns 9 bsts 5 pups and 6 blms
and everyone else is a dead DD , your event is useless to anyone whos not a ranged or pet job.

seriously im 1/2 tempted to level smn to 95 in abyssea nakied so i can do woe and not spend 3/4ths the run weak.

It seemed like they still had alliance hate? Kind of sad they didn't fix that because it is annoying when it starts to go downhill and you need to have everyone stay dead to avoid getting knocked out again after raise.

Also I don't see the big issue with having some content ranged job focused. Haven't pretty much everything between 2006 and 2011 been melee oriented? I heard no complaints then from SMNs and BLMs. I guess it is just melee jobs who are spoiled and complain as soon as they aren't the best jobs in the game.

there's a major difference between DD's being an acceptable choice with ranged / pet jobs being preferred and how flux's 8 9 10 are now, unless your on a pet job your weakened usless and are wasting your time. Flux's 1-7 You could come DD and it wasnt useless you could come pld tank the mobs and if you had some back up you would be fine. 8 , 1300+ SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM SPAM 9, HP DOWN AOE 1300 INSTA DEATH woooo , 10?! DOOMGA. ive done 6 conflux 10 runs , every run but one has been won due to brew's and the one they didnt brew had 10 smns and 6 bsts and everyone else just tagged along.

SE just really needs to adjust the instant kill shit , or take the slam off the babys , take the vermilion and cataclysmic winds off the babys . remove fatal scream above 50%. those are small things that make the entire run alot more DD friendly with out it taking away from pets supremacy.

SE apparently underestimates the ease at obtaining an Empyrean. Im confused why anyone would get a WoE weapon, other than the toy weapons (ohhistaff)

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Originally Posted by Gokku

8 , 1300+ SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM SPAM

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Having done 8, while this is an entertaining characterization of it, it's only accurate as far as the two boss turtles are concerned.

The real problem with 8 is that nobody knows how to kite Genbu.

Seriously. 8 is piss-easy as long as you have someone kiting all the babies, because the babies move slowly. Instead, everyone is like "O HEY IT'S A MOB, I THINK I'LL HIT IT", and you run out of time because there aren't enough people putting damage onto the boss turtles.

And for the love of god, if you're doing 8 on SMN, quit using Ramuh and Garuda. Turtles are weak to ice. Use Shiva already and quit drooling on your keyboard.

i totally revise my statement i just got comet from the box and all i did was cast 5 nukes and run like a school girl for 5mins.
thx smns your feeding my gil fund.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i totally revise my statement i just got comet from the box and all i did was cast 5 nukes and run like a school girl for 5mins.
thx smns your feeding my gil fund.

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Actually every run where I got a beast loot pool was where I had a low eval from DC'ing on entry, and returning for the last 5mins.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

It seemed like they still had alliance hate? Kind of sad they didn't fix that because it is annoying when it starts to go downhill and you need to have everyone stay dead to avoid getting knocked out again after raise.

Also I don't see the big issue with having some content ranged job focused. Haven't pretty much everything between 2006 and 2011 been melee oriented? I heard no complaints then from SMNs and BLMs. I guess it is just melee jobs who are spoiled and complain as soon as they aren't the best jobs in the game.

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The problem is it takes literally no skill to play a pet job. Pet jobs are for complete idiots who should be playing farmville or something if they're so easily entertained by /pet attack - > go afk while your pet attacks crap.

How can ANYONE find pet jobs fun? You basically do NOTHING and stand there like derp derp derp while your dumb pet beats on things, OH SO EXCITING!

I guess watching paint dry would be entertaining to someone who finds pet jobs fun.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

The problem is it takes literally no skill to play a pet job. Pet jobs are for complete idiots who should be playing farmville or something if they're so easily entertained by /pet attack - > go afk while your pet attacks crap.

How can ANYONE find pet jobs fun? You basically do NOTHING and stand there like derp derp derp while your dumb pet beats on things, OH SO EXCITING!

I guess watching paint dry would be entertaining to someone who finds pet jobs fun.

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Maybe it's just that it's too early in the morning and I haven't had my coffee yet, but are you seriously this retarded?

If you're standing there doing nothing while your pet beats on things, you're either doing stuff that shouldn't have normal melees on it anyway or you're just a failure at your job.

Really, there's not much difference between sending your pet to auto-attack things and going AFK and walking up to a mob, auto-attacking it, and going AFK.

EDIT: Aver, I'm thinking that it's a very strong possibility that yes, Shiyo really is that retarded.

Being immune to all AOE dmg while your pet solo's things 20+ yalms away is tough. AOE inc? NP, Don't need to put on mdt or pdt gear, don't need cures, don't need haste, don't need -na's, don't need to manage shadows, don't need to manage hasso/seigan/thirdeye, don't need to manage JA's, don't need to do ANYTHING. Just pet + afk, maybe hit a BP every ~40 seconds, woo.

I'm sorry if you felt the need to defend your afkfest jobs :(

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Originally Posted by Aver

Maybe it's just that it's too early in the morning and I haven't had my coffee yet, but are you seriously this retarded?

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She's practically a celebrity over at ffxiah ... some even speculate that she could be Rosina's long lost twin separated at birth!

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

The problem is it takes literally no skill to play a pet job. Pet jobs are for complete idiots who should be playing farmville or something if they're so easily entertained by /pet attack - > go afk while your pet attacks crap.

How can ANYONE find pet jobs fun? You basically do NOTHING and stand there like derp derp derp while your dumb pet beats on things, OH SO EXCITING!

I guess watching paint dry would be entertaining to someone who finds pet jobs fun.

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I think you are actually as dumb as rosina, if you are seriously this much of a comeplte retard, either you have never even unlocked a pet job or your were smacked on the head alot of times, i i dare you to go after anything remoetly challaging with any pet job and see if you can win, since it takes "no skill" this is seriously the most retarded thing i have ever seen anyone say about a job.

inb4 I was SMN95 in 2006

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

The problem is it takes literally no skill to play a pet job. Pet jobs are for complete idiots who should be playing farmville or something if they're so easily entertained by /pet attack - > go afk while your pet attacks crap.

How can ANYONE find pet jobs fun? You basically do NOTHING and stand there like derp derp derp while your dumb pet beats on things, OH SO EXCITING!

I guess watching paint dry would be entertaining to someone who finds pet jobs fun.

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Wow you're just....... really off arn't you?

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Originally Posted by MDenham

If you're standing there doing nothing while your pet beats on things, you're either doing stuff that shouldn't have normal melees on it anyway or you're just a failure at your job.

Really, there's not much difference between sending your pet to auto-attack things and going AFK and walking up to a mob, auto-attacking it, and going AFK.

EDIT: Aver, I'm thinking that it's a very strong possibility that yes, Shiyo really is that retarded.

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And whats the difference between setting your char to auto attack things? Or I guess you're more into it, you actually bob and weave like youre Ali while your mnk punches things...

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Originally Posted by Nynja

And whats the difference between setting your char to auto attack things? Or I guess you're more into it, you actually bob and weave like youre Ali while your mnk punches things...

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I'm imagining being strapped in with a VR helmet playing FF now, like ye olde 90s VR games.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

And whats the difference between setting your char to auto attack things?

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This sentence appears to have lost half its verbage in the wash.

Assuming the question is actually "what's the difference between turning on auto-attack and going AFK, and turning on auto-attack and sitting at the keyboard not doing anything"... nothing. You'll survive, or not, just as long either way.

I wasn't debating whether or not going AFK while you're fighting something is a good idea, just whether or not pet jobs require less interaction with the input device than other jobs do.

Thanks SE for overabundant brews.

I can now switch my brain over to autopilot and ponder the meaning of lint.

never seen anyone get one yet.

I don't understand why there's this feeling of resentment towards brews being added in as random rare chest drops. Don't you like cackling manically as you destroy a zone every now and then?

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Originally Posted by Aver

I don't understand why there's this feeling of resentment towards brews being added in as random rare chest drops. Don't you like cackling manically as you destroy a zone every now and then?

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It's a vicious cycle where at first you're like "yay" then you're like "oh" and then finally you're like "aw jeez". It's much like cheat codes in an offline game or playing Monopoly where everyone starts off with a ton of cash.

What's the point of a 36man (lol) chamber when one person can solo everything? The new fluxes already cheapen melee classes through AOE spam, doomspam and HP reductions... do we really need invincibility drinks on top of that? It just screams poorly thought out and discourages fun or cooperation.

New chambers can still floor a Brewed character. Between Amnesia spam and Doom, I've seen a couple brews get wrecked by Flux 10.

It's not as if they are common and can just be selected at will like abyssea, besides i agree, nothing wrong with a chance every now and then to laugh like a maniac as you spam ws/spells for 3 minutes, assuiming you don't get: stoned, doomed, terror or death (if something even does that) at this point with the massive flood of people most fluxes are usually downed in 10 minutes (well mainly 9) and except 10 because mandies are evil and deserve to be gutted.

The point is that brews just aren't that rare.

Having a cool superman button is nice but when it's something that appears as frequently as the current WoE, it just undercuts the event.

Event is designed for "casuals", thus it's made very retard friendly and spams I win buttons in your face~

I don't want the coins to ne sellable. I know it would be easier and you could make a weapon without ever entering woe but then I think less people would do it. I think they need to do a trade in deal like they did with beastman seals as someone else suggested. That way we are not throwing away coins or having useless ones taking up inventory space.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

id just like it to change from :
Are you a Bst Smn Pup ? Y/N * if yes skip to option 4*
Are you any other job then Cor Rng thf/rng sam/rng Y/N * if no skip to option 4*
Change to Bst Smn Pup Cor Rng
Your good to Go

seriously when 0 chain and Aegis plds are getitng there shit packed in because theres 15 smns 9 bsts 5 pups and 6 blms
and everyone else is a dead DD , your event is useless to anyone whos not a ranged or pet job.

seriously im 1/2 tempted to level smn to 95 in abyssea nakied so i can do woe and not spend 3/4ths the run weak.

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I unlocked and started summoner 2 days ago because of this...