[dev1024] Job Adjustments - Scarlet Delirium

the ja definitely has possibilities, so saying "take it away" is being overreactionary. I'm sure they'll see our general Q.Q over it and eventually fix it. If not drk is still very strong outside abyssea and they're continuing to fix older things with it. Just be patient guys (and gals?).

i've 'been patient' with them for long enough, thanks.

I doubt that you've been more patient than I have with the job.

see what i did there?

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Originally Posted by Dart

I doubt that you've been more patient than I have with the job.

see what i did there?

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I've been more patient than any of you.

How I do that.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

I've been more patient than any of you.

How I do that.

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DRK is /facepalm but I'll keep grinding with the job.

SE to DRKS: Changes to Scarlet Delirium.

We have decided to change Scarlet Delirium in the following ways, during the 3 min absorb phase we will accumulate all damage dealt to the DRK until the cap is reached, then whenever the GMs get bored they can press a button to unleash the recorded damage onto all the DRKs across the servers, enjoy.

I would accept this over what it currently is considering then we would have proof about how much they hate us.

I am not sure what else to say that hasn't already been said. I know most of you in here from other forums or from my own server on carbuncle. I just don't get why we could say.. improve our ability then some other job comes in ranting how we should stay right were we are and shut up. I never see that sort of shit their forums but it's accepted they get handed these updates regularly.

There's no reasoning with them. So we'll just scream louder.


What did 6 years of silence get us?


Oh let me see:


Arcane Crest, Tactical Parry II, and an upgrade to a Tier II Merit Category that made it from being useless to very good.


If SE gives me 20% of what the give BLU perhaps I'd have a more 'patient' outlook on things.

Do you think like Samurai? They can start giving us JA's from other jobs and improve them? Like how they turned Wild Flourish into a better version: Konzen-Ittai.


Everyone from the other job forums needs to stay in their own threads and stop hoping that their White Knighting will get them some kind of a favor with the dev team.



I mean look at Paladin THE White Knight,

for fucks sake, its not doing much better.

In the Dark Knight Japanese forum there a thread with 115,000 views I wonder what the topic is...oh and SE didnt reply to that thread either

I went over and looked over the Japanese DRK forum the best I could.

Its good to know since SE will never listen to us, that some Japanese guy out there in the wide wide world.

Is pretty much saying the exact same things we are.



SO LETS JUST KEEP POSTING FOR EFFECT.

so the people in general are retarded, either way, SD needs fixed, proccing it when you should be stunning is the worst possible thing SE has ever suggested to us

Ultima Weapon is readying citadel buster, hai guys imma stand right next to it and just take the hit cuz SE thinks that makes sense for how DRK should us an ability

Stop saying for them not to add it. And also stop saying that its going to make you die faster, because that is not true. As far as I see it, I will only be using it in situations where I'd get hit anyway. Like that comment about citadel buster was just stupid. To any smart DRK, it is not going to make them not stun Ga's on purpose for them to get hit. I'd rather them add it and me get 20% boost to DMG in situations where I would get hit anyway then not have it at all. I don't mind getting hit and only getting 10% where i wouldv'e gotten 0% w/o the new Job ability and it's not like i can't just Catastrophe my HP back up or get a single cure?

this thread.. it is .... kinda boring think SE knows already that we don't like it

overall removal makes it so they cant tweak it and make it what it should have been tho so i disagree with just that :x

also SE is busy and almost never replies in job forums so no shock there.

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Originally Posted by Jar

this thread.. it is .... kinda boring think SE knows already that we don't like it

overall removal makes it so they cant tweak it and make it what it should have been tho so i disagree with just that :x

also SE is busy and almost never replies in job forums so no shock there.

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I like your avatar in the signature, I have no idea what it means but I like it.

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Originally Posted by Darriken

and it's not like i can't just Catastrophe my HP back up or get a single cure?

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That may be fine and dandy for you, but what does this say for DRKs without Apocalypses though?

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

That may be fine and dandy for you, but what does this say for DRKs without Apocalypses though?

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It says that Darriken doesn't really know how the job works/mechanics and is trying to flaunt his relic as if its an actual solution to a very real problem.

The problem of a borderline useless JA.





I have an Apocalypse and the fact I can just cata my health back is irrelevant to this argument:


And the fact that DRK has to get a relic to be 'good' is total shit, and the entire job shouldn't be punished or handicapped because of a singular weapon it can possess and that most people will NEVER see.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

And the fact that DRK has to get a relic to be 'good' is total shit, and the entire job shouldn't be punished or handicapped because of a singular weapon it can possess and that most people will NEVER see.

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Kclub says Hi!!!

I'm sure SE used that as an excuse to hold DRK back in the past lol.

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

Kclub says Hi!!!

I'm sure SE used that as an excuse to hold DRK back in the past lol.

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Me too. Me too.

I personally think that they should change it(as stated earlier) to a Job Trait that converts to the damage you take over time with a cap(say +30%~40% of the damage you do) that decays over time(either gradual- slow regression like 1% per tic) or each swing(again 1% per swing or every 2~3 swings). When I had first heard of this ability I was rather excited because I thought it would work similarly in this way(though again, knowing my favorite job, this was a hopeful wish at best) because I tank actually quite a bit on drk(and don't die haha). So a job that would help me kill the mob faster was a welcome idea for me.

Have you guys seen steady wing?

well it looks like tommorrow's the big day, and as far as I know this ability as it is in its current state is going too be implemented...all I can say is adleast some of us tried to get SE to improve this stinking ability

Yeah, I'm not keeping my finger crossed for anything, but we'll see if they changed anything with SD when they release the update notes...

tbh I'll probably forget that we even have it and never use it.

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Originally Posted by Dart

tbh I'll probably forget that we even have it and never use it.

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Yep, pretty much. :\

The only thing good we've gotten is Absorb-Attri, so we weren't totally gypped this time. But when it came to Scarlet Delirium, all SE could give us was a big "screw your suggestions; deal with it." Just goes to show that indifference makes a big difference indeed.

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

Yep, pretty much. :\

The only thing good we've gotten is Absorb-Attri, so we weren't totally gypped this time. But when it came to Scarlet Delirium, all SE could give us was a big "screw your suggestions; deal with it." Just goes to show that indifference makes a big difference indeed.

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and yet SE is bending over backwards for SCH...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that SE is drooling over SCH and focusing too much on it, and SCH is my other main. I'm glad they're making some changes to it, but I really wish they'd focus on DRK. DRK was my first job to 75, and has been my first job up to each new cap. Would be nice to see some love for it instead of seeing junk like Scarlet Delirium. It's like Dart and Quetz said; it's just more junk that's gonna be put in the corner and forgotten about.

You have to admit though, SCH really needed some tuning up. How often would you bring one into Abyssea?

Yeah, SCH was in need of attention, but it seemed like SE was like 'OMG SCH needs to be fixed RIGHT NOW!' with this past update. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but they should've gave other jobs that need attention the same treatment. (Not to the same extent that SCH was, but you get my point.) And, actually, I was on my SCH fairly often inside of Abyssea. Then again, it's the only mage I have leveled, so that could be part of it. I've held my own on SCH inside Abyssea both nuking and healing, though.

I'm in a similar boat. I leveled DRK as my main, but eventually ended up doing BLU and SCH down the road. And I dunno, SCH didn't seem as bad as many people made it sound... It's a very capable nuker and healer. It can nuke as hard or harder than a BLM (under the right circumstances anyways), and as far as healing goes... SCH can easily push out 1k+ Cure IVs with rapture and cure potency gear + Aurorastorm. I've main healed and kept up with the cures without breaking a sweat at all. No MP troubles either, even outside Abyssea. ...Although I still want Cure V.

So yeah, I dunno why SE is so gung-ho about SCH and other jobs. It's like they equate our +72 attack bonus into +72% damage or something. I dunno.

But we should still keep making noise about Scarlet Delirium. I think the Devs just think we're stupid and don't know how to use it right yet, as one of the community reps relayed to us earlier. We need to keep making noise about it now that the update is over so they get the picture; We know how it's supposed to be used, and it still sucks.

What happened to all the fervor on the general disscusion board, it seems like everyone has just given up.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

What happened to all the fervor on the general disscusion board, it seems like everyone has just given up.

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You can only shout so long before your voice starts to hurt

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

What happened to all the fervor on the general disscusion board, it seems like everyone has just given up.

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SE would rather add more mobs than make Scarlet Delolium Delirium not suck, apparently.

As it currently stands, Scarlet Delirium is to DRK as Defender is to WAR. It's not going to be worth using, even in an HNM situation. =\

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

You have to admit though, SCH really needed some tuning up. How often would you bring one into Abyssea?

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SCH isn't in abyssea for the same reason u don't take RDM in
because no cure VI/V means ur an inferior healer

BLM does similar DMG and has all the same staggers we have plue aga III and AM so it trumps scholar

The new additions to SCH really helped it outside but then it wasn't really struggling there anyway (Can still heal, can nuke effectively w/ new af3+2 gear combined with it's reduced mp cost on spells ) not to mention sublimation = 9-11 mp a tick :)

As is SD is laughable... at the very least SE should make it so it only absorbs on high damage like the nin spell... that would follow through with SEs plan for dark better by basicaly daring a mob to hit you hard and if it does you will hit back harder. also the absorb phase duration would make more sence then. still could use 2 to 3 min on activation phase though

You guys get an ability with no downsides, and you get it just by leveling up and don't have to pay 3-5 mil for a scroll or wait weeks for the price to drop, when all of the jobs I got received either nothing whatsoever or gained abilities that have huge downsides, and you're still complaining about how much SE hates DRK.

I hate the people that play this job. So much.

I had a 98% damage proc SD today. Damage went from 400 a swing to 680. Super lucky but when it happens it can be pretty badass.

Scarlet Delirium - Everything went better than expected?

I personally didn't care for it on the test server, but I haven't got to play around with it on my own server. Work's keeping me from getting the merits I need for my LB. ; ;

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Originally Posted by Erecia

You guys get an ability with no downsides, and you get it just by leveling up and don't have to pay 3-5 mil for a scroll or wait weeks for the price to drop, when all of the jobs I got received either nothing whatsoever or gained abilities that have huge downsides, and you're still complaining about how much SE hates DRK.

I hate the people that play this job. So much.

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As if scroll prices even matter because within 1-2 months they'll be stable and cheaper.


Samurai got a great ability.

Blue Mage got one too.

Red Mage has no downside.

Black Mage either.

Bully is fantastic.

You're full of shit.

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Originally Posted by Erecia

You guys get an ability with no downsides, and you get it just by leveling up and don't have to pay 3-5 mil for a scroll or wait weeks for the price to drop, when all of the jobs I got received either nothing whatsoever or gained abilities that have huge downsides, and you're still complaining about how much SE hates DRK.

I hate the people that play this job. So much.

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All the while you are riding out warrior and still just as naive about dark as every other poster that comes in spouting "emo dark". How about you try out the dark comparing it to your other jobs before starting this path of ignorance. I have every job that i care to level up and, as such, I can comment on the various pros/cons of each from my perspective opinion. The only damn reason any of the melee having critical hit weaponskills outside abyssea see such lower numbers is due to the fact they fail at critical builds. This blind sheep following ideology gets old.

Erecia, you have no idea about the gap between WAR and DRK even outside of abyssea. The reason WAR and MNK don't get any upgrade is because they are already considered overpowering (SE stated that themselves). I would rather pay 2-3 millions to buy a spell that is as useful and a clear upgrade like Thunder V, Blizzaja, or Comet for BLM, than getting Scarlett Delirium for free and receive no obvious benefit outside of some very limited situations. I appreciate your SEA mission guides back then if you are that Erecia, but in term of this issue, you can't be any further from reality. This was the JA that all ppl hope to bring DRK to par to WAR, but unfortunately this leaves DRK just short of that. Some minor adjustments would make it so much better but the point is that SE refuses to take any of the suggestions.

DRK in general is a job that is weak against weak mobs due to the fact that attack is overkill against those mobs and that our WS in general do not have high ceiling because of the modifier and no critical. And this JA especially gives DRK nothing against those weak mobs because you won't be taking one devastating hit from those weak mobs. I am guessing SE is aiming this towards HNM, but you would stun any devastating moves or simply stay out of range so it is again "limited". I don't doubt in perfect world this JA would be awesome, but in practice, it is at most a 1-5% increase in our overall output. For some of us, this is the only new offensive JA since lvl 75, and we really expect something better.