honestly with books in the middle lands, campaign in the past, abyssea being the way it is, and a "revitalization" of dynamis and limbus and even augments to sky and sea gear and relic +2 ad nauseum, I'd really like to see the entire Assault/Besieged system get an upgrade; the ONLY 2 places in the game right now where it's genuinely difficult to acquire points are Aht Urhgan and Adoulin. Bayld and Plasm and Imperial Standing are the hardest to acquire. While I understand Adoulin is new and typically if you look at the history of the game the "new" system is always the pain to get anything for (because they want people to spend awhile doing it) there's no excuse for CP-grinding or ISP doing besieged. Granted, this keeps people doing besieged and it finally got an update where if you die when it's over you aren't totally screwed, it still needs another revamp. Tags take too long to accumulate, require too many people, and are generally a huge pain. They've said it's because of server lag issues, and I get that, but -something- must be done. Maybe if we didn't have to collect completion tomes for a Mythic Weapon, and it just counted victories via mission log, it would help alleviate some stress. Another system that has a difficult time accruing points is Moblin Maze Mongers. I don't know enough about Meebles to comment on that. Having an NPC like Shami in Port Jeuno who would exchange at a 3-1 ratio points from a given system into another given system would definitely help out with lackluster content. As it is, MMM can be really good, and I'm surprised more people don't use it just for crafting purposes with a portable synergy furnace.
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08-09-2013, 03:30 AMRubeus
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08-09-2013, 04:01 AMDjbeatthats exactly what i wanted to say btw english is not my mother languageQuote:
Originally Posted by Anjou
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08-09-2013, 08:04 AMAnjou
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8080/56en.jpg Yeah I'm just gonna leave this here, courtesy of the Ragnarok server.
Getting real tired of seeing stuff like this. -
08-09-2013, 09:02 AMDemon6324236http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/.../Capture-1.pngQuote:
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Phoenix is a little better off, but we still are no where near doing well, and no chance at getting to do Fiat Lux any time soon. -
08-09-2013, 04:32 PMDjbeatLeviathenQuote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
Sandy: 3
Bastok: 2
Windurst: 2
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08-09-2013, 04:40 PMKriegsgotttbh each Server could do Fiat Lux but it is much easier if you have few people assisting maybe we should start looking for Campaign Addicts on all Worlds so we know who is interested in Fiat Lux and if you got a full pt of 6 or more people on your World you can start attacking the beastmen force in the northlands each kill grant you a bit Influence for your nation while the beastmen influence bar decreasesQuote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
the beastmen influence bar will increase if nothing will happen there but SLOWLY!
your nation influence bar will decrease if nothing will happen and the Beastmen ar victory from watching @the fortification for about 1h i call this TIME UP !
it is actually very good if none from our allied nation attacks the northland because you wont lose the influence very quick ( remember each npc = 1 kill = influence loss ) none cares about your death
Beaucedine is Easy to claim
Xarcabard is Easy to claim
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08-09-2013, 09:52 PMCalatillaAre you talking about wiping out the enemy defenses even if there isn't a campaign battle going on? I always thought you could only gain control of an area by participating in an actual battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charilyn
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08-09-2013, 10:23 PMKriegsgottyes thats what i wanted to say 1 post above btw thats what my LS does this works wonders on any beastmen controlled area but this shouldn be the way to have fun in campaign you get nothing from doing this people will not /clap in the hands you wont get a single XP ( i dont even care about XP ) or AN or anything else its like i dont know what to do with my time thats why i'm brutal to the Beastmen the need to gain some pain because i'm bored and dont want to sit in any nation waiting for /shoutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Calatilla
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08-09-2013, 10:54 PMCalatilla
If there are beastmen defending an outpost you should be able to get tags regardless of if a battle has started or not. Military leaders don't call each other up asking if they are ready to start a war, they just go. We shouldn't need npc`s to initiate hostilities.
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08-09-2013, 11:18 PMBamphExcept they [sortof] did that back in the day. Many wars were fought "honourably" with no shady "let's attack them while they sleep" tactics going on. It was generally accepted that there was a time to line up your soldiers and have them shoot each other. Perhaps that's the way the Crystal War is supposed to be fought...Quote:
Originally Posted by Calatilla
I for one would like to pull a sneak attack; Meteor everyone guarding their precious outposts (which they will feel the brunt of my magics) out of the blue, and full on attack.
"BAMPH! BAMPH! BAMPH! THE SAVIOUR!" they'll yell (or anyone else who participates). "Took an elite group of volunteers into the northlands and returned with the Shadowlord's head."
Tales will be told, and songs will be sung of our glorious victories. -
08-09-2013, 11:45 PMCalatilla
I guess you're right, but it would still be nice if we could initiate the battle rather than waiting for the npc`s from the home nations to make a move.
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08-10-2013, 03:31 AMKriegsgottyep thats one of my points ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Calatilla
btw i just playd today my "NEW" war with the bayld equip and a whm mule it took me about 12min for a full Quadav wipe in Crawler's Nest
in Pashhow Marshlands 16:32 min
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08-10-2013, 03:33 AMKriegsgotti like crazy guys thats so bad you ar on Odin /fumeQuote:
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08-10-2013, 06:00 PMDjbeat4 WAR + BRD + WHM sounds a good way to me for a quick rushattack !Quote:
Originally Posted by Kriegsgott
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08-10-2013, 09:52 PMDjbeatset this on the Topic first postQuote:
Originally Posted by Kriegsgott
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08-11-2013, 03:23 AMKriegsgottAye aye UPDATED !Quote:
Originally Posted by Djbeat
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08-15-2013, 05:24 AMDjbeat
Dear Dev-Team you lost already lots of people and more soon because of ARR do you really want to ignore this thread and make probably more people quit ?
dont even think about it i wont play ARR if you guys suck with FFXI a lot -
08-15-2013, 05:32 AMCharilynshared for the lulzQuote:
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08-15-2013, 05:36 AMWanderlustYes please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Calatilla
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08-15-2013, 05:40 AMSunsideJumping tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Rubeus
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08-15-2013, 05:42 AMKriegsgottQuote:
Originally Posted by Djbeat
TrololololQuote:
Originally Posted by Charilyn
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08-20-2013, 06:11 PMVagrua
Bump for hope of a dev reply over being another campaign thread that dies.
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08-20-2013, 10:32 PMAnjou
I can always keep spamming the current server campaign map, it's rather sickening to look at...
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08-21-2013, 06:28 AMKriegsgottah forgot i had to deal with it still thxQuote:
Originally Posted by Vagrua
Leviathen should be fine soon i know this dosn help you but a Server Merge would be cool probably we get one soon who knows....Quote:
Originally Posted by Anjou
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08-21-2013, 07:02 AMAnjou
Bumpage!!!
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08-21-2013, 09:42 AMStompa
Have 'Liked' the OP.
When campaign came out, you did get skill-ups in it, and there was no 'hit the lump of rock for ages' situation, these things were added to it when it was at the height of popularity, and obviously worsened the experience a lot. So to remove those two things they added and make it like the original campaign battles would only be sensible as I've yet to meet somebody who thinks those two ideas were smart.
They need to add new higher lvl mobs, and lvl 99 high-cost AN gear. But looking at the "Patriarch Protector's Shield" etc. I can buy with my conquest points and other CP gear that has been laughed at for a decade, and never updated, I wonder if SE will change these regional currency items in [s] or modern Vanadiel either. But no question WOTG areas looked better than SOA, or that campaign is 1000x better than rieves, so if SE are smart they will recharge campaign mobs/gear and make it appealing to lvl99 players many of who haven't done campaign ever. -
08-21-2013, 12:02 PMAnjou
Doesn't need to be making the mobs tougher, that'd make it even worse for people who want to make it where Campaign can seem more like an even playing field since...well...it isn't? I mean seriously now, when are the allies ever on the offensive in terms of land grabbing? Hell I can tell you right now after checking the map, that right now the areas being held are:
San d'Oria: 1
Bastok: 1
Windurst: 4
Beastmen: 20
idc what happens, I'm seriously tired of seeing this constantly day in and day out, and the devs are blatantly ignoring us. -
08-21-2013, 03:58 PMKriegsgottI just got my Oat h2h yesterday stay prepared i'm back to Campaign soon keep your Medal high should my other members get the Medal of Altana i promise you Leviathen will see Fiat Lux again !Quote:
Originally Posted by Stompa
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08-21-2013, 05:15 PMStompa
Got moonshade earring & altana medal about 3~4 years ago. That locks it so I never rank down. I do campaign still but only occasionally coz I'm busy with LS stuff which is usually aby&soa sadly. Will look out for you though ^.^
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08-21-2013, 05:22 PMStompaYeh but my point was if they add uber AN rewards, more people will flood into campaign, and then the mobs can be made tougher. No offense or anything but those mobs were challenging at lvl 75 but with lvl 99 and SOA weaps anybody can solo the whole campaign, which takes the fun out of it. So tougher mobs <yes please> with new powerful AN rewards to entice people to go Campaign again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anjou
And btw the tough mobs at 75 cap meant that you cured strangers and helped them overcome mobs, so you met new people and got chatting and made friends. That never happens in rieves for example, because you don't really need to team up to overcome mobs and NM Generals etc. so you don't make new friends the same as we did in Campaign (a lot of time to get chatting while youre resting from weakened lol.)
As a side note, I'm hoping that the lowering server numbers will see people having to be more friendly and polite and have fun in groups instead of the 'anonymous factory production line' we currently have where you just go afk in gusgen then afk in aby then afk in rieves and never actually make new friends or get to know your fellow players, since you don't have to teamwork with them until the very endgame stuff and by then its closed-group/Ls ppl so its not the same as open battlefields like Campaign 2008~ where you met new people all the time and helped each other out. -
08-21-2013, 07:14 PMTohihroyuI hope so, I really wanna try some solo's, I know nin & dnc can and no doubt blu can, and with delve weapons...it'll be too easy... x_X even if most of the stuff is pretty much trophy gear it'd still be a fun challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kriegsgott
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08-21-2013, 10:27 PMKriegsgotti'm going to check Medals tonight in my LS and gonna set a date !Quote:
Originally Posted by Tohihroyu
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08-22-2013, 01:43 AMRenaissance2K
I'd like to offer an opposing view point to the suggestion that Campaign be bumped up to appeal to higher levels.
High levels now have Reives. They're in high-level areas against high-level mobs that yield rewards useful to high-level players.
Campaign, right now, is most useful for mid-level players. The mobs start getting whackable at around Level 60, and the gear that can be purchased with Allied Notes is of reasonable use primarily between Level 40 and Level 70. The EXP is no comparison to Abyssea or many Grounds of Valor alliances, but it accumulates at a reasonable clip, it doesn't screw over mage jobs, and in many cases, it's a lot of fun.
If Square-Enix wants to revive interest in Campaign, I really hope they maintain the mid-level appeal. There's no gear on the AH from Level 30 to Level 70, and being able to pick up a quick piece using Allied Notes is a welcome option, given that many AF stats are outdated (or never made sense to begin with). Campaign is also a valuable training tool, introducing newer players to large-scale battles and outmatched mobs that they'll encounter later on in other events. It's something to do that isn't killing Crawlers.
Bumping Campaign up to be a high-level event continues to encourage the "just grind to 99 and then we'll talk" mentality of the community. For what? A few sidegrade armor pieces from Fiat Lux and an EXP ring that doesn't work in Abyssea or Grounds of Valor parties? High-level players already have their own currency-yielding, big battle events. Don't take that away from the mid-level players. -
08-22-2013, 07:10 AMRubeus
/ja "Chi Bump" <t>
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08-22-2013, 07:14 AMOlor
Please enact these changes, been waiting forever for a campaign fix. Please also make Walk of Echoes low-mannable as well.
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08-22-2013, 09:27 AMStompaCampaign, right now, is almost always empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renaissance2K
When I campaign warp on this server I am generally expecting to be soloing the battle these days, sometimes theres one or two people there but its usually empty.
Also most low level people want to skill-up while they XP so they avoid Campaign altogether because of the skillup-lock.
And yes as you say 'high lvl players have rieves' but rieves are incredibly dull and awful. And campaign is fun, its just stuck in 2008.
My suggestion of higher level mobs/rewards could still be applied, while retaining the low-level mobs/rewards for low level players. SE could make each map have two seperate battle-areas, one battlearea/tower have new high level mobs, and one tower retain the lvl75~ player mobs we were fighting every day in 2008~. With the two battleareas at opposite sides of the map, and you can only get Tags for the high-level battlearea if you are high enough level, so you don't get Ko'd by going to the wrong area by mistake. Both battles could start at the same time.
If you really like Campaign, then you don't want to see it empty and die out. That means bringing new players over from Seekers, lured by new gear and mobs that are challenging to battle with. -
08-22-2013, 12:49 PMRenaissance2KCampaign is still completely functional with a low number of people, thanks to the NPCs. Heck, the NPCs almost do too much of the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stompa
Considering half of the occupants of most Gusgen and Nest alliances I've partied with are above Level 60, I don't think that's true. Most people seem to want to grind to 99 and then take care of their skill-ups when they can equip lots of accuracy/haste gear, eat skill-up food, and equip Regen atmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stompa
If they can figure out some way to make it work for both level groups, that's absolutely cool, but raising the bar across the board and leaving the mid-level players behind is just unnecessary. -
08-22-2013, 01:12 PMDaemon
I think this game has too many areas and not enough players to direct everyone to different parts of the game. I mean if you only have say 100 people on the server total, are you going to kill off the current main point of interest such as SoA and direct half the players (If not the entire playerbase) back to Campaign only to make SoA empty?
In my opinion, SE should add areas related to the new Ilvl gear later after SoA to give everyone options to go back to old content areas. Implementing on top of the old content with higher level mobs and new maps.
Although rather than add only 1 or 2 areas to explore, they would have to add several parts at the same time to avoid directing a massive amount of people from 1 area to another. So people will continue to have SoA as the main point of interest.
I know so many people wish older players to go back and help others but its not easy to ask a level 99 to go back and play level 60-70 content.
One of the ideas I suggested in my Event Suggestion topic is to add some sort of point system that will give incentives to players who don't need anything from previous content by sacrificing all rewards for points.
So if you are a level 99 who has all items from sky, limbus, Ein etc and have no reason to play these areas, having a Flag option you can turn on to gain points than rewards kind of the same concept as EXP/Merits would work if SE allowed people to exchange those points for helping others into items related to the level of that player.
As for rewards I can't say what would be good according to balance but I know login campaign is a good example of how point systems work.
Even if the incentive was not items, something like Auras, Glows etc would be good.
But I also keep in my mind that when SE does not adjust old events to bring back interest, its probably due to keeping certain interest goin on with the newer content. -
08-22-2013, 02:16 PMKriegsgottI HAVE TO ASK! with NPCs ar you talking about the Beastmenforce which ar double to triple stronger as our Useless NPCs on the Battlefield right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renaissance2K
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08-22-2013, 10:10 PMCalatillaYeah I know right? lol Leaving the battle to the Allied forces NPC's is the reason you look at the map and see the beastmen with 15 zones and sandy, windy, bastok with 1 each. The allied forces suck, without adventures they'd lose the war easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kriegsgott