New Avatars Are Coming

I don't think NMs in general have a plain immunity (for the really impossible things). So you'll never be able to land certain spells on some mobs. For example, Death probably do not work regardless of if you lower their stats to 1.

Don't get me wrong im super excited for the new avatars. And, like most players I'm really hoping its not just a lame 2hr. That said avatars I've always wanted are Jumbo Cactuar, Valefor, Ixion, Tonberry King, and Siren. Just ideas of fun things I'd like to summon from FF History and 3 of which would fit nicely into FFXI. This also adds a new Earth, Wind, Lightning, Dark?, and Water summon so the elemental balance would remain mostly intact, while leaving room for a Fire and Ice avatar. I think they make sense Jumbo Cactuar, a larger cactuar (who I'd enjoy having in classic FF style though unlikely) a species that to date can only be summoned by BST and only by a single jug. Ixion, who was basically unofficially named with the creation of Dark Ixion. Thing is, a Dark Ixion can't really exist without a neutral or Light Ixion otherwise, whose to say the Ixion we know isnt Light Ixion. Last, the Tonberry King, since its a beastman to date they are unsummonable and who better to summon then the King himself. Am I asking for them now? No. Would I like the developers to know that myself and anyone else who is intrested would like to see them in the future? Yeah.

This game is 9 years old. They are not going to add 6 more avatars. That would be the equivalent of giving BLMs 30 more spells.

Stop asking for dumb things and ask for legitimate fixes.

The job doesn't need fixing. The players do.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

The job doesn't need fixing. The players do.

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Yes, a lot of the people here have some very bad ideas, but the jobs need fixing as well.

Summoner is like a clown. While it works to make others laugh at you, some minor changes could make it look like a serious job.

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Originally Posted by Covenant

More than likely caithsith will be a mix and match of current avatar/2 hr avatar. Meaning she'll normally do her regular avatar behaviors and her 2nd will be Atomos summons for massive AoE debuff. I think massive debuffs would be effective since I see a,ot of post about NM's resisting many spells, even when capped with gear.

Imagine Atomos debuff dropping resistance so low that the "normal" DoT and status spell become 100% against NM?

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So Caith Sith would have s such a move and then an additional two hour ability?

lol, ok

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I'm glade they r adding new Avatres It's about time we nedd some more help on the light side of the fight
and not just a 2hr 1 eather Carby is nice but he needs some help.
And they r summ in other Final Fanstys games so would make sine to have them in XI as well.

anima! 2hour only, ok ^^

just glad cait sith will be tagging along. bahamut would be a fine 2hour as well. its fun getting to see the avatars, i mostly play for the show lol. or to not get hit :P

Some people need to learn the release command in real life.

Bahamut would be great ya but Odin has the spot for the 2 hour DD

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Originally Posted by Tarage

This game is 9 years old. They are not going to add 6 more avatars. That would be the equivalent of giving BLMs 30 more spells.

Stop asking for dumb things and ask for legitimate fixes.

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wat? BLM got almost that much from 76>90 lol.

Stone, Water, Aero, Fire, Bliz, Thunder V, stoneja, waterja, aeroja, fireja, blizzaja, thundaja
Aspir2, break, comet, meteor, and whatever else they plan to add that has not been announced.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

Some people need to learn the release command in real life.

Bahamut would be great ya but Odin has the spot for the 2 hour DD

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Ya that is why people were saying we wouldn't get another dark avatar since fenrir was already one when people were speculating about Diabolos right? That's why we have 3 now... variety is nice.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Ya that is why people were saying we wouldn't get another dark avatar since fenrir was already one when people were speculating about Diabolos right? That's why we have 3 now... variety is nice.

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Indeed;);)

Lol, It seems my words were taken to seriously. Do I expect to get anything beyond Cait Sith or Atomos? Not at all, There are plenty of avatars and the game functions just fine with them. Doesn't mean I can't share ideas, after all people once said Diabolos was the last, and then people said Odin and Alexander were the last. On top of which yeah 6 new avatars is not likely, maybe not even possible, but the more of my ideas I share the more likely one among them is used.

Here is the million dollar question: What element would Bahamut be?

Since Non-Elemental is not an option. The next best guess would be Fire if he is commandable, Dark if he only appears for Megaflare (light is your creative since light seems to be the fall back for non-elemental JA). Then again, for purposes of 2hr only does a summons elemental affinity make that huge of a difference?

Yeah I don't think there is such a thing as non-elemental ? Otherwise I would think fire.

I'm just gonna go with Non-Elemental

I don't think Non-elemental. Everything magical in FFXI has an element, even Meteor (Which i believe was proven to be dark based?)

Bahamut would likely be Fire, almost all his abilities are Fire, i think he even casts Fire spells (?).

Yeah does cast high tier fire spells.

Maybe that is the main reason why they don't want to use Bahamut as a SMN.

What would the other 5 elemental avatars be that would equal in power for Bahamut?

Don't need one >_>

You are right, they don't need 5 other elements, but still, you know SE and equality....

What equality? We already have 2 light and 3 dark avatars. And we are getting atomos as the 4th dark one... I'd say SE are more like some darkness clan who worships dark gods.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

What equality? We already have 2 light and 3 dark avatars. And we are getting atomos as the 4th dark one... I'd say SE are more like some darkness clan who worships dark gods.

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2 hr only avatars don't count.

With Cait Sith, we are going to have 2 light/2 dark/1 of each other element.

well, Bahamut would be a 2hour only so we're in the clear :P!

I'd throw Bahamut into Light if I had to put him somewhere.

TBH, we've needed a new Light elemental avatar badly because Carbuncle just happens to have really weak stats or something.
A new Light avatar would be able to dish out better Light based attacks and stuff.

On the darkness side, we actually could do with an avatar that is actually truly darkness aligned elementally. Neither Diabolos nor Fenrir are particularly good with resisting their own element, and its a shame really, if SE would like us to choose avatars by element if our Dark (and actually Light) defensive options are lacking - can't exactly rely on spirits either.

Maybe wanting Bahamut is a waste of time and you should drop it like you should have years ago.

Maybe people are just making conversation, pointing out facts about Bahamut, I think the first 14 pages already discuss what needed to be discussed about Atomos/Caitsith.

Can't give any realistic feedback because we don't know SE true intentions for Blood Pacts with Atomos/Caitsith....so everything is speculation of what they already do in game as of now.

Would people prefer to see Caitsith as a low-cost, low-damage avatar - similar to Carbuncle?
Or a high-cost, high-damage avatar - an even higher perp cost, high BP costs, but deals lots of DoT as well as decent BPs?

Personally I'd be all for the 2nd option, even if it means needing /rdm to keep up with mp and maybe even needing to rest again o.0

Cait sith just looks/feels like a really weak avatar similar to Carbuncle. I've been surprised before, but something tells me this one will be Debuff/buff/Cure heavy.

As far as Bahamut being light, notsosure, Everything he does is Fire based, Fire spells, megaflare/Terraflare, being "Flare" in the name are likely fire... I think he'd be Fire :X, Wiki even lists it as "Fire" (though could be wrong)

I want Caitsith to be like Diabolos, not like Carbuncle and Fenrir. Carbuncle has his uses, but he is the weakest avatar and we have no other option for light DD. We need a light DD avatar.

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Originally Posted by Tarage

I want Caitsith to be like Diabolos, not like Carbuncle and Fenrir. Carbuncle has his uses, but he is the weakest avatar and we have no other option for light DD. We need a light DD avatar.

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Fenrir is a strong avatar for the cost associated with him. He also have some potent debuffs and buffs for any situation at hand.

Diabolos is a very weak damage dealing avatar. Sure, he has a nice dark element attack, but it is not worth the effort to bring him out just for that. Plus, it only deals nice damage when the mob is asleep, which then the mob wakes up from the damage, which then, why put the mob to sleep in the first place?

I hope that Cait Sith would be more like Fenrir, not Diabolos.

So here's the real question: Will Cait Sith still be able to make those delicious fish sandwiches? What... she never did that for you guys? XD

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Cait sith just looks/feels like a really weak avatar similar to Carbuncle. I've been surprised before, but something tells me this one will be Debuff/buff/Cure heavy.

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I'd settle for cure/debuff heavy, as long as she gets big physical DD move, not magical. Main problem with carby is either getting tp bonus for the cure, or for the damage, not both.

bahamut should just cast non-elemental atks like Meteor. although he doesnt do any other element besides fire, he isnt a fire avatar. he's suppose to be non-elemental, but he's still a dragon (wyrm w/e). he could just do a non-elemental 2hour magic atk, that'd be ok for me.

but bahamut is a jerk in CoP so he would probably never help us. and is he an Avatar in this game? or just a wyrm? cuz cerberus is a avatar in FF8 but a normal mob in FF11.

I expect Cait Sith to be a bit of a Light version of Fenrir..
Buff and debuff heavy.. some physical and magical BPs (a nice ranged light magic BP would be nice).

for me i think what I'd anticipate most are the buffs/debuffs and favor.
the perp cost really doesn't matter, because it isn't very consequential these days. And i'd gladly pay 2 more mp/tic for something better than Carbuncle

I anticipate a regain favor, any other ideas?

Would be nice with a pet that does AOE meditate or something. Considering we have plenty of jobs abilities and spells, but usually none of the good ones.