you do realize that you really wouldn't be saving a whole lot of time in the long run. you OP or aby warp to buburimi and have to run or ride your slow personal choco (unless you were lucky to raise a fast one) to mhaura, zone in, run to choco wrangler, zone out then run to Onzozo, get off bird, zone in and run to the NM.
Alternatively, take the same warps and run to Onzozo. Or tele and get the faster chicken from the start and rid it all the way to Onzozo. You are talking the difference of maybe a minute in one scenario, two in another.
About the same can be said for Gustav--you are half-way there if you OP to Dunes, Aby warp is just a little further. Either way, you have to run about 3 squares to zone into Selbina, walk to the stable to get a chicken and zone back out, then run the 7 or 8 squares to Gustav line. Meanwhile, someone on foot from the OP or Aby warp can probly be almost to the secret tunnel if not further by the time you caught up to them. Granted, from highlands wrangler to Gustav is a bit further than from Mea to Onzozo, but again you are talking a difference of just a couple minutes at worst.
In short, you guys are really making a mountain out of a molehill with this idea. All we are saying is, while it won't hurt anyone to add them there, it really won't help much either.
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06-20-2011, 07:26 AMRAIST
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06-20-2011, 09:11 AMRAIST
OK, decided to actually do a comparison. Got on basically a naked BLM/WHM (my HP is in Jueno, I was in home nation on NIN) and OP'ed to bubu. Swift shoes kupower was not in effect, so I am at base movement speed. I timed myself until I started to zone.
OP to Onzozo on foot, no movement speed: 4: 16: 44
**note I swung a little north to check time to the maw which took @36 seconds, so reduce that for an estimate to run from maw and you get @ 3:40:44
Teleported to Crag and got a chicken and ran to Onzozo started timer when I clicked "yes, I do":4:19:53
While on chocobo, ran to Mhaura zone line and let it bounce me back out with the bird refusing to enter message. Started counter when I started to zone into Mhaura to simulate the full zone from getting a choco there.
Mhaura to Onzozo on Rental chocobo: 1:14:51
Went back to Mhaura , got off chocobo and zoned in. Made the run on foot, starting timer when I started zoning out of Mhaura so it is essentially on the same footing as when I did the zoning with chocobo on previous run.
Mhaura to Onzozo on foot, no movement speed: 2:29:71
Warped to Jueno, took aby warp and ran to Mhaura.
Attowha maw to Mhaura on foot:
South path: 3: 10:16
North path: 2:45:40
Went back and ran from OP to Mhaura on foot:
South path: 3:21:41
North path: 3:26:09
Ok, now let's put it all together. Note these times will not reflect the time it takes you to actually get your chicken after zoning into Mhaura. Listing these in order of what times are the fastest for getting to Onzozo after you either OP warp from home nation, got a teleport and rental chocobo, or took an Abyssea Maw Warp.
Maw to Onzozo on foot (est.): 3:41
Maw to Mhaura, chicken to Onzozo: 4:00:31
(2:45:40 + 1:14:51=3:59:91)
OP to Onzozo on foot: 4:16:44
Crag to Onozozo on Rental Chocobo: 4:19:53
OP to Mhaura, chicken to Onzozo: 4:36:32
(3:21:41 + 1:14:51=4:35:92)
Just to confirm that the estimated time to run from maw to Onzozo on foot is indeed the fastest route, I warped back to Jueno and ran from the maw on foot. I even misaligned myself and over-shot the ramp to the beach this time and had to double back a little and STILL made it to Onzozo in 3:52:94
So, for this scenario---the ONLY case where having a chocobo in Mhaura would save you time getting to Onzozo to fight Profblix or something, is if you were in fact ALREADY in Mhaura, and even then, the time saved is only roughly 45 seconds. Abyssea Maw and a straight run on foot is the fastest route. Even if they hadn't added the abyssea maws, your better options would have been either teleport and rent a chicken, or just straight running it from the OP.
In short... again, would it hurt to have them, not really I guess. Would it help to have them? Not really, except in a vary rare instance that someone was already in Mhaura. Is it necessary? Certainly not. Is it worth the cost to pay a developer to do it, even if it takes them only 15 minutes when that 15 minutes could be better spent testing a tweak to something more pressing? I seriously doubt it. -
06-20-2011, 10:28 AMPaksenarrion
I'm honestly surprised at how vehemently against this idea some people are.
That's nice. So do I. My piles of paper containing lists of what trials I need to do, suggested places to do them, and the printout of the next 100 Whateversday I'm doing agree with that. And sometimes things happen. When I schedule stuff and I end up being late, I will go psychotic and/or OCD panicked about it. Typically calms down by the time I finish what I planned to do, but I know somewhere that I missed those precious few minutes because I had to walk.Quote:
I have day/weather trials also, but I plan ahead for them.
I also see no reason why they couldn't make all chocobos work like the three nations and able to get at 15.
If I really would've wanted full convenience, I would've requested outposts added to every zone, and a chocobo right at the outpost. I restrained myself. I'd even relent on the extra outpost NPCs in my original post.
I honestly can not come up with an answer that won't get shot down by the opposition. You people have your things that you think should be prioritized, I have mine.
Also:
Remove PvP. No one does it. >_>Quote:
What is the point in adding something very minor that less than 1% of 1% of players can use when there are more important things to add or fix to this game?
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06-20-2011, 10:45 AMRAIST
Barring Al Zhabi loosing the Astral Candescence, I can't think of any region I can't port to quickly, or grab a chocobo and run to in a matter of minutes. Granted, I might have to run across a zone (like my example of getting to Onzozo--can port to neighboring zone and hoof it). Even Sky and Sea are easy to get to--provided you've done the content that enables the warps.
As for RL getting in your way of being somehere on time. That's life. It's not the games fault you got stuck in traffic and dind't get home until 6:05 instead of 5:45 and the 20 minute weather window for that day closed before you got home. Spit happens. You could argue the same thing for missing a 21-24 pop window on an NM. Missing a shout in Jueno for a mission fight you need. Planning an Airship run to get to Sea and then getting called in for overtime and missing the event. All of these things can either be set up to do again at another time, or they reoccur on a cycle in the game--just chaulk it up as a missed window and shoot for the next one.
None of that is a problem with the game mechanics that needs to be made easier just because you are having an issue with it because your personal life doesn't synch up with it. These things are alos not make-or-break things to do either. Taking an extra week to complete a fire path on a weapon is not going to make the game unplayable. You can play just fine without it--having that weapon completed just may make things easier on you is all. Not getting Sea or sky access or completing your Black Belt this weekend isn't going to cock-block you from doing other content, and it also doesn't mean you can't arrange to do those things on another weekend.
Sure, it's annoying to have your plans go awry b/c of real life intervention... but by no means so earth shattering that you need to rage-quit the game. It also doesn't mean trivial things that MIGHT be used by 1% of players 1% of the time needs to detract from more important issues facing 50% of the players 90% of the time. -
06-20-2011, 02:53 PMSeriha
Simply going to Onzozo from Mhaura isn't the only place you're forced to go if a chocobo was available, and again, teles aren't always available, you may not wanna go job/whm or /blm to whatever, and so on. In Mhaura and want to go Windy while your HP's in Sandy or Bastok with no Saruta OP? Hope you enjoy the trudge to Mea, then double-back a quarter of the zone south. You could maybe get lucky, warp back home, and catch a couple airships and beat that time, but eh, who cares if you'd like to actually pay attention for the trip.
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06-20-2011, 03:02 PMRavenmore
Even some of the good idea's on here gets either Ps2 limits or it'll cost to much. That were most of its coming from.
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06-20-2011, 03:07 PMRavenmore
You could change subs in mhura tele mea, warp shout for tele and choco from there. Maw run not much slower then tele or OP. Its still to little reward for time spent.
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06-20-2011, 03:12 PMRAISTTrue, was just looking at Onzozo as that was one of the the examples given. I'd hazard a guess that it might still be about the same if you were going to a camp in bibiki too. Otherwise, you would likely be better off using other methods that already exist that get you closer via OP, Maw, or teleport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
As for getting to windy...I used to make that run a long time ago on choco. But now, I can get a stable collar to each city twice a year with 10 charges to each for a free port to their choco stables. We periodically get city to city warp from moogles. There is also now the VoidWatch warp between nations too. While I do have all OP's where others may not, and that is a ball in my court... there is still the past. I have all three nations staves so I can pop back to the past pretty quickly 3 times a day for free. Porting to a zone and running to a nearby maw comes pretty handy for geting to some zones in the present, so I try to keep a retrace scroll on me. And and instant warp scroll also since I've kept my OP in P. Jueno so I can hit aby warps quickly as well. I still have a handful of charges on a warp stick if I forgot a warp scroll. There are also the teleport rings you can buy. I often have one for meriph because of doing stuff in Oz (future and present) with people and magian trials. And let's not forget the Olduum ring, Mercenary warps to Whitegate, Warp Tarus, and TAU portals when Astral Candescence isn't stolen. Tavnazia ring/Sea Lion's Den to get to Sea, or the updraft from crags to Sea and back down to Sea Lion's den. Sky warps at the crags...keep forgetting I haven't activated all of them yet. There is also the FOV books, and the CP rings to port you to outposts. Still have a return ring tucked away somewhere in satchel, but I never use it as there are so many books you can use--especially with GoV now.
I'm sure I've left some transportation methods out...there's just so freaking many now. And that is the bigger point. There are already sooooo many ways to get around. It almost seems like overkill when you start trying to list them all. -
06-20-2011, 07:05 PMKraggyHave you actually been to the Dunes/Bubu recently, like the last several months? There are loads of people leveling in the 20s, just no longer in 6-man groups (thank God).Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg
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06-21-2011, 08:54 AMPaksenarrion"If it doesn't affect me at all, the change is pointless."Quote:
Originally Posted by RAIST
What was wrong with skillups that they had to change what mobs conned as to facilitate skillups? Why are they adding all this old world stuff when everyone is doing Abyssea after level 30?
And now you're going to argue that these both had critical impacts to the game at large and needed to be adjusted. And I'm going to state that neither change affected me personally. Last time I went to level up on a pre-30 jobs, I completely forgot about FoV. I have not even touched GoV. Skillups, just go smack some crabs in Boyahda Tree and then go finish it off in Abyssea. They invented accuracy food for a reason.
Yes, apples and oranges may be what I'm pointing out, but I still see no reason why people are so adamantly against this minor change.
Also, add Nashmau to the list of places that should have chocobos, or at least let me summon my own to run there. Seriously still trying to figure out why, to unlock COR and PUP, I have to run through mobs, including truesight, that were EM+ at 75 when I can access the jobs at 30.