No saying complaining is bad. Constrictive complaining is great! The key word being constructive. I just get tired of logging on here and seeing the same complaints from the same people every time I log in. I can't even imagine having a job where I would have to look at these repeat threads of the same old same old every day. I would go insane! Just thought it would be nice to have a thread to let the team know that some of us here still don't think the world revolves around what we think and that we appreciate all the hard work they all put in. That is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave
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06-18-2011, 05:03 PMJackastheripper
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06-18-2011, 06:41 PMKogenta
I like the new direction of the game and i like how there is specifically someone that reports stuff to the dev team and that talk to the playerbase from the inside. It's a bit late maybe, but not too late, it's something really hard to handle, not everyone would have done it, especially for a game that most people consider old and dead. Companies usually don't open these type of communication channels even for new games...
So i think the ComTeam deserves a lot of galkan sausages +2! How lucky! -
06-18-2011, 10:34 PMMalamasalaYou can only blame the community reps for it. The same complaints will stay around until they actually reply to it.Quote:
I just get tired of logging on here and seeing the same complaints from the same people every time I log in.
Like Summoner spirits. I've e-mailed bug support, I've e-mailed suggestions, I've called GMs, I've posted in the bug forum, I've posted in the general forum, I've asked people going to vana-fests to bring up the issue, etc. Ignorance at all fronts.
How the hell can you let half a job remain useless for 10 years and not even comment on it? Even Pankration gets more attention than spirits. And yet all we really request is ONE response from the community reps or developers. ONE in TEN years.
What bothers me the most, is that I have a larger chance at getting a communty rep to reply to "what did you have for lunch?" thread, than a spirits post. -
06-18-2011, 10:51 PMBumbeenNo you can't. You can blame morons who don't have the sense to realize sometimes no answer IS an answer. When you ask someone something and they don't answer you, do you continue to ask them over and over daily for the rest of your life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malamasala
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06-18-2011, 10:54 PMRakshaIf i'm paying them for a service, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumbeen
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06-18-2011, 11:06 PMRunespiderWhat exactly do you expect? People really love this game and as such want it to be everything it can be, most don't complain to be asshats they just want to be playing this game for a long time to come and would like to see it improve. I think most of us agree the staff on here do an awesome job and they try to accomodate us and our (sometimes stupid) questions lol It's really cool to know square now genuinly care what we want and our ideas are passed along to people that implement stuff, don't take that a lot of people seem to complain as a slight against the staff here or Square themselves...they just care about the game. I play quite a few MMOs off and on and XI is unique, there is nothing like it on the market now. If WoW shut down tomorow I'd be miffed but I would ultimately just go play Rift or one of the other clones, if XI closed I would be mortified as it's really unreplaceable.Quote:
I just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work you guys put in. I find myself logging onto these forums less and less because of the constant flow of complaining, whining, trolling, and overall bad attitudes of a good chunk of the people on here. I am sure what you guys are doing is, for the most part, a thankless job. People complain when they don't get updates and then they do when the game is updated. People ask questions and then complain when they get answered in a way they don't like. You guys get asked to read the same threads over and over and over again because people don't take the time to look for the previous 10 threads dealing with the same topic. I just wanted to say thanks to all you guys who deal with it everyday. There are some of us to let you all know that there are still some of us out here who appreciate what you do and, even if we don't like the answers we get, will continue to show you guys the respect you deserve. Thanks again.
Idk about you but I much prefer the forum as it is right now (minus the retarded trolls) than either being dead and no new posts or everyone saying how awesome everything is (fanbois suck), the forums were added for a reason and that wasn't it.
These forums right now are the most important ones assosciated with FFXI, in terms of your ideas meaning a damn when you post them to the cool staff that moderate them. I hope everyone keeps in mind just how good things are right now in terms of communication, just a few years ago the current situation would of been laughed at as never happening.
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06-18-2011, 11:49 PMGlamdring
Cut the Devs a bit of slack. With the cap increase and Abyssea all semblance of game balance and the basic framework on which to build content has been destroyed. They have to try to add new content/tweak existing content, but everytime they do someone either figures out a way to solo it (by some method Devs were never able to consider) or else it could turn into another AV nightmare (does anyone else remember all the flack they got in the news for the time it took to beat him? SE still gets grief from parents groups for that). Coupled with limitations on the various platforms that need to be accomodated and all the breaks in various jobs they are trying to find a way to fix and they've got a pretty full plate. I know I wouldn't want to have to deal with everything on their whiteboard.
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06-19-2011, 01:57 AMGreatguardianYou aren't paying them to buff Summoner. You are paying for the ability to play the game that Square Enix and Hiroshimi Tanaka designed. What changes when you stop paying? You are no longer able to play the game. If you feel that the service that accompanies a product is subpar, that's your own business. But your payment is for the product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raksha
Now let me be clear, of course the proceeds from FFXI go towards funding the development, community, and GM teams (And they are awesome!). However, they are absolutely not obligated to provide you anything other than the service you are paying for: FFXI. Community reps aren't required to talk. Developers aren't required to update anything. And GMs are not required to say anything more than "That's working as intended" if your call is anything short of "Help, I'm stuck inside a wall".
Now, is that the case right now? Obviously not. The Community reps are a lot of fun, and post a whole lot on these forums. It's obvious that there are very strict limitations on what they can/can't talk about, which likely affect where they choose to post. But quite a few times, No answer is better than a "No" answer.
Can you imagine what would happen if Camate were to walk into one of Mellowy's threads and say "I'm sorry, but the Development team thinks buffing Spirits is flabbergastingly preposterous and would move Summoner into an even more hyper-ambiguous position in the job field and thus will not be making any adjustments to the Spirit system." ?
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06-19-2011, 03:34 AMJackastheripperQuote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
And to all those trying to hijack this thread with complaining, if you don't have anything nice to say get out of my thread!!!! I am glad to see that many of the posters I actually enjoy reading posts from are responding with the same feelings I have. Sad part is some of the posters that are always negative nancy's have also showed up ><; Nice to see the reps having some fun too XD -
06-19-2011, 04:32 AMRakshaI actually don't give a shit about summoner or relic/mythic weaponsQuote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
I am also paying for bug fixes and periodic content updates.Quote:
You are paying for the ability to play the game that Square Enix and Hiroshimi Tanaka designed.
What happens when the game stops updating and bugs never get fixed? People stop paying.Quote:
What changes when you stop paying? You are no longer able to play the game. If you feel that the service that accompanies a product is subpar, that's your own business. But your payment is for the product.
I'm not saying they should change everything about the game so that it's in a form I enjoy. But I do expect them to fix shit that's broken/imbalanced.Quote:
Now let me be clear, of course the proceeds from FFXI go towards funding the development, community, and GM teams (And they are awesome!). However, they are absolutely not obligated to provide you anything other than the service you are paying for: FFXI.
I disagree, but this is more a matter of opinion.Quote:
Community reps aren't required to talk. Developers aren't required to update anything. And GMs are not required to say anything more than "That's working as intended" if your call is anything short of "Help, I'm stuck inside a wall".
Oh sure I don't have any beef with the community team, it's more the development team I think needs to be more responsive.Quote:
Now, is that the case right now? Obviously not. The Community reps are a lot of fun, and post a whole lot on these forums. It's obvious that there are very strict limitations on what they can/can't talk about, which likely affect where they choose to post. But quite a few times, No answer is better than a "No" answer.
I can't speculate on how an individual user will respond to a particular answer, no.Quote:
Can you imagine what would happen if Camate were to walk into one of Mellowy's threads and say "I'm sorry, but the Development team thinks buffing Spirits is flabbergastingly preposterous and would move Summoner into an even more hyper-ambiguous position in the job field and thus will not be making any adjustments to the Spirit system." ?