Our solo in abyssea is over~

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Originally Posted by blowfin

It's no more of an exploit than most of the game mechanics in Abyssea when you apply the right atmas.

They had the chance to patch this out when they fixed the problem with SMN pets, why wouldn't they have "fixed" BST pets at the same time?

About the only reason I could see 100% pdt as a bug, is if SE miscounted the amount of it that could be applied to pets. I doubt that though, you can reach 70% alone with 3 atmas.

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Yes, Things in abyssea are broken. I agree.

But This was on a different level of broken. Its illogical to think or assume something that allows you to become completely immune to all physical attack, and nearly immune to magical, 99% of the time, would remain in-tact.

and the reason they "fixed" SMN first is because it could be done with i think only 1 atma (Ducal Guard) and it worked even with the pet above 50% HP.

While, at the time, BST required 3. Which was far more broken... I can't say why they did it then, no one can. I Can assume they're fixing it now because of the complaining, I'm not blind to that.

However, rather they do it now or next year, the point remains, they're doing it. They've deemed it either an exploit, or something that needs to be "fixed", and they're going to do it. We're allowed to be upset, but don't rob those who are happy for it of the same right to express their feelings for it by acting like they're the evil-horrible-enemies of BST-kind. (something you didn't do personally)

Certain circumstances, such as when wearing gear and atmas that give you -100% PDT.

From what i can understand BSTs believe that -100%pdt important to the jobs ability to do much in terms of NMs in abyssea.

While the other side says that -100%pdt is broken because there shouldn't be any job that should be able to become "invincible".

While, yes, being able to reach -100%pdt is overpowering, it doesn't not mean that pets do not take any damage at all. Pets will still take some magic damage as well as DoTs still take full effect.The build in most cases will make use of an atma that gives a constant 25 hp/tick DoT. Pets are also full effected by enfeebles as well. While things like slow and paralyze don't effect pets much with this build, things like doom or petrify can still neutralize a pet. The pets also do not start out with -100%pdt meaning if the pet gets hit with a powerful attack before 50% it still takes about 80% damage from said attack. So pets aren't entirely "invincible" the are probably more accurately overly sturdy.

So that being said a BST can't necessarily AFK and kill a mob, as well as BSTs being still somewhat limited, unless they want to use a ton of money on pet food, if the mob either does a ton of magic damage or makes use of powerful DoTs. However that means with mobs that do the majority of its damage through physical means it makes the solo far easier.

BST doesn't believe that it should taken away because it would mean that would limit our ability to do NMs in abyssea because BSTs offers little to NM hunting groups in abyssea. However, -100%pdt is overpowered and allows a BST to be essentially a one man army.

I'm not making this post to argue or take either side just trying to make some facts clearer.

If you really must play BST, I'm sure they can offer good DD and a few red procs. I've seen the pets do a lot of dmg, also the bug can do TH.

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However, rather they do it now or next year, the point remains, they're doing it. They've deemed it either an exploit, or something that needs to be "fixed", and they're going to do it. We're allowed to be upset, but don't rob those who are happy for it of the same right to express their feelings for it by acting like they're the evil-horrible-enemies of BST-kind. (something you didn't do personally)

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Again, we don't know what they're doing until the patch. My point is that we don't even know what they've deemed to be broken, nor do we know how they intend to fix it. It's all extrapolation at this point.

To be perfectly blunt though, if the change does happen and it's been driven by the playerbase it's out of selfishness really. Selfish people demanding a right to NM's either way. Whether it's BST's soloing things that are going to take an hour or the people whining because they couldn't fight their NM when they wanted to.

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Certain circumstances, such as when wearing gear and atmas that give you -100% PDT.

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Certain circumstances that have existed for 5 months? And been patched once before for SMN pets. It just doesn't wash with me that they wouldn't have changed it 5 months ago with the SMN fix.

Also, Hedjedjet seems to be the mob that keeps getting raised in examples. People should hardly be surprised to find BST's there seeing as it drops +2 items for the AF3 body. Honestly, if you see someone soloing it (because it's still going to happen in the future probably) and it annoys you, ask if you can speed things up and offer them the cards. Everyone wins, the BST gets the upgrade items, you get your NM faster. Of course mutual benefit is often disregarded by people for one the reasons already mentioned in this post.

Oh please, this is by no means the end of soloing for bst in abyssea. Not even close.

Its just frustrating because it was born out of such a nasty, mean-spirited, and hateful thread. If the player had an honest concern, its as simple as submitting a thread in the bug reporting area.

Is that what happened? not at all. It was a rage and a rant and flinging broad-brushed insults to a large portion of the playerbase. It was full of lies and misinformation.

That is what is offensive about it. Did bst expect it? back when they capped smn pdt, yes we did. After that we figured it was left alone for all the trade-offs it takes. FFXI is full of trade-offs. If SE had merely overlooked it and later "fixed" it, it would be mildly disappointing, but not frustrating or offensive.

it had very limited application where it made a pivotal difference anyway.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

Oh please, this is by no means the end of soloing for bst in abyssea. Not even close.

Its just frustrating because it was born out of such a nasty, mean-spirited, and hateful thread. If the player had an honest concern, its as simple as submitting a thread in the bug reporting area.

Is that what happened? not at all. It was a rage and a rant and flinging broad-brushed insults to a large portion of the playerbase. It was full of lies and misinformation.

That is what is offensive about it. Did bst expect it? back when they capped smn pdt, yes we did. After that we figured it was left alone for all the trade-offs it takes. FFXI is full of trade-offs. If SE had merely overlooked it and later "fixed" it, it would be mildly disappointing, but not frustrating or offensive.

it had very limited application where it made a pivotal difference anyway.

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This post is full of truth but the bold parts are the most important in why bsts are so ticked off. Everyone who actually knew about ducal guard expected it to be fixed with smn's avatars. Is SE really that ignorant about the mechanics of its own game?

Many jobs that have major solo capabilities seem to have a following of haters who like to cry foul. If I recall correctly people have been waving the Nerf Flag on RDM for years due to it's solo capabilities, but if you look at what RDM has gotten in the past years we've gotten next to nil compared to other jobs, and now we've fallen behind exceptionally. BST has been in the same boat for years when it comes to updates, but now that they finally catch a break it's deemed "too powerful" though there are THF, DNC, MNK, BLU, BLM, RDMs and other jobs out there doing the same things and taking just as much time soloing/duoing things. Call me crazy, but it's a very hypocritical arguement.

And for a bit of clarification 90% of the people I ever see take on Hedjedjet are non BST's soloing/duoing him.

I never used a full 100% -pdt build. Soloing in abyssea I use Ducal guard, Razed Ruins, and Mounted Champ. (Puts my pet at-87%PDT -67%MDT) I used to solo without Ducal, I could always do it again if they nerf it into nothingness.

That being said though, I really enjoyed not eating as many pet food. Here's hoping the 100% nerf doesn't end up capping things ridiculously low. If -DT gets capped at 50%, DucalGuard will make having any pet -dt gear obsolete in abyssea. Pet evasion builds will be more important than ever.


PS: SE, Please fix Cloudsplitter. It really is terrible.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Never understood how, In a game where they actually nerfed pets getting Samba Effects (a 'glitch' quickly fixed and far less broken, also Magic Mortar) that something like 100% immunity to Physical damage would remain untouched.

I have BST, SMN, DRG, and PUP, It was awesome, but it was seriously unrealistic if you guys thought that giving a pet "invincible" 100% of the time was not broken, with or without Atmas being involved. I hate its being fixed, But i saw it coming like a fiery meteor in the sky barreling towards earth.

That aside, your PDT axes aren't "Worthless", The cap could just be getting lowered to ~87.5% like Avatars, Which is still a hefty chunk considering Eta/Zeta Biscuits should cover the rest. It might limit your ability to solo somethings... I admit, but it was bound to happen. Far less "broken" things in this game have been nerfed, Its sad day, but it was bound to happen.


Lastly, Siviard, You need to grow up if you are seriously about to start stalking someone in a video game because of this. That's just absolutely ridiculous. Its a Video game, and its not that serious. that's open harassment and you will get suspended/banned for that if someone decided to report you. It does no good to get your account banned over something like this.

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They way you make Ilax's life miserable WITHOUT getting banned is to /blist and boycott Ilax. Help with nothing, never raise, boot from your shell if Ilax is in there, remove or raise prices in your bazaar if Ilax is trying to buy, refuse to share camps (clearly within the ToS) and MOST OF ALL, use only +eva atma on an evasive jug and hold an NM you know Ilax wants, but for over an hour now and refuse to invite or relinquish to Ilax; feel free to ninja claim any NM Ilax is fighting that goes yellow as well-that is apparently within the rules. Also, watch Ilax for anything s/he does that is within the design and rules of the game (like your -pdt build) but that you could call "exploit" on, and start a thread on here demanding that it be removed.