[dev1009] New Trigger Conditions for Notorious Monsters really?

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Originally Posted by Shymithra

Actually the NQ HNM drop rate for BB is been set to 0% now from what i read so Kinda useless doing them cept for mats and such. So now if you want the easy mats you gotta jump thru all kinda of hoops for it now.

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BB item still drop form KS99, and drop always been fairly good, how you think i got my BB? Took me 3 day to get BB for 10 member in my ls. [and that was back @ lv75 cap]

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Originally Posted by Cdryik

pop items aren't rare/ex isn't it? they can be sold in bazaar ?
Since the drop rate in KSNM isn't so horrible, there will be some in sell and price will drop with the time. (only King Behemoth will be camp if it drop Defender Ring, the force pop one).

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Don't know yet if they made them R/Ex items i would guess they did. We will see thou Heck if it is possible that the trigs can be Traded and sold that would lighten my position on this making it just a little better.

I think they said it was "Ex" (or "rare"), you can only have one item on you. meaning, as long as they are not rare/ex you can freely trade them or sell in bazaar.

Sorry i don't remember where i saw it.

Found it !

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Just to clarify some questions that have been popping up regarding these adjustments, KSNM99 BCs will continue to drop black belt-related quest items.

Also, another bit of important information you might like to know, the triggers needed to spawn Fafnir/Behemoth/Adamantoise will be tradeable.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...0514#post80514

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Originally Posted by Phoenyx

Wrong. They have stated that they are not removing the Black belt items from the KS99s. See this post.

And to the rest of your drivel I say, "Welcome to FFXI." Seriously. You're whining about <100% drop rates on stuff? Having to repeat battles for said stuff? That's the most recurring factor of gameplay. The changes weren't designed to hand you the rewards wrapped in a bow for zero effort, they were designed to actually reward effort, not sitting afk except for ~30 seconds every 30 minutes. Time to put on your big boy/girl pants and grind it out or get out of the way of people who will.

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Think you need to go back and read everything again, including the details on the change.

BB item drops from KSNM at same rate as before, NQ pop item is 100% drop. (you can have a stroke of bad luck and do the KSNM 7 times and never get a BB item, but will get a NQ pop item every time now.

NQ fight will NOT give a BB item (completely removed from the drop pool), and you have a CHANCE to get a HQ pop item (in other words, it is not a 100% drop to get HQ pop). Again, in theory, if this has a low enough pop rate you could fith the NQ 7 times and not get an HQ pop item.

HQ fight is no longer a 100% drop rate. So, when you do make it to the HQ fight, you could get no drop and have to start all over again.

So, again....this system has the potential to be just as bad or worse than just spamming the KSNM fight, which has ALWAYS been an alternative to camping the kings. All this did was change it from a bunch of people waiting on an NM to pop and switched it to wiating for a ??? to pop after they've jumped through enough hoops to get the pop item.

To repeat the infamous cliche----they put lipstick on a pig.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Think you need to go back and read everything again, including the details on the change.

BB item drops from KSNM at same rate as before, NQ pop item is 100% drop. (you can have a stroke of bad luck and do the KSNM 7 times and never get a BB item, but will get a NQ pop item every time now.

NQ fight will NOT give a BB item (completely removed from the drop pool), and you have a CHANCE to get a HQ pop item (in other words, it is not a 100% drop to get HQ pop). Again, in theory, if this has a low enough pop rate you could fith the NQ 7 times and not get an HQ pop item.

HQ fight is no longer a 100% drop rate. So, when you do make it to the HQ fight, you could get no drop and have to start all over again.

So, again....this system has the potential to be just as bad or worse than just spamming the KSNM fight, which has ALWAYS been an alternative to camping the kings. All this did was change it from a bunch of people waiting on an NM to pop and switched it to wiating for a ??? to pop after they've jumped through enough hoops to get the pop item.

To repeat the infamous cliche----they put lipstick on a pig.

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Thank you this was what I had in mind this could really turn out to be a real head ache just like that. Servers are up now thou and we get to see how it all goes down.

Honestly the only drops that are harder now are dring, ebody, and BB items - and notably, SE blatantly doesn't want BB items to be easier to obtain...

Did four turtle pops this morning, and we did not get any HQ pops. The HQ drop rate is really bad or we just got really unlucky.

The drop rate on nidhogg, KB and Aspid are terrible, to the point of not even worth trying to get. 0/4 on an aspid KI treasure hunter 10 on each kill of Adamantoise.

I dont understand why SE is protecting kings so much with these terrible drop rates.

SE can simply shorten the pop time required for the king NMs...

They way they changing it not only will make it more annoying (not necessary difficult) to pop but the NM zone will even be more quiet.