Inflated Shihei Prices hmmmmm......

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Originally Posted by rog

Not really. You do not need either utsu in most situations. 500 damage per hit is easily healed with a simple cure4. 88 mp every 3 seconds is stupidly easy to keep up with.

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So your saying in a 20 min fight. The said mage will not run out of mp and will not Cap hate, and die in 2 hits? Could pull way less hate if the tank lost less hp by useing what? a /nin sub. also Hight DDs not going to Deal any Dmg if they are Dead Shadows are essential to anyone decent. Just a thing to think about.

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Originally Posted by Eri

So your saying in a 20 min fight. The said mage will not run out of mp and will not Cap hate, and die in 2 hits? Could pull way less hate if the tank lost less hp by useing what? a /nin sub. also Hight DDs not going to Deal any Dmg if they are Dead Shadows are essential to anyone decent. Just a thing to think about.

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Capping Emnity- isn't hard. Refresh isn't hard to come by - you can get as much as what, 20/tick in just atma alone? Combine with gear between casts (see: Owleyes, refresh pin, body, serpentes, subligar, earring... +6 more right there) and look, lots of MP/tick. Also why would we have 20 minute fights unless we're having a hard time procing? Most things die pretty easily unless they're just stupid like Apademak (gotta watch those stuns and be a bit careful). Honestly, the healer shouldn't really have much trouble. I say this as a RDM; I have little problem keeping up short of having nothing better than Cure IV. SE needs to give us Cure V already. =( MP would never be an issue as I'm constantly capped.

For example my brother recently rejoined the game, so he needs to level Nin, however not only is shihei gone way up in price that someone newly joining or rejoining won't have the means to pay for it, Utsusemi Ni also shot way up in price.

Quite honestly I stopped paying attention to prices as a full stack of bags can last me awhile given my job and when I'm not tanking on DRK, but for people leveling subs the non leech way, it does pile up on them, because if you're new to the game or rejoined prior to abyssea's launch, you can't even make use of abyssea because SE made sure new players have to partake in the time sink of acquiring stones before enjoying the content, even with the recharge key items it still takes a new player quite awhile to build up enough stones to make abyssea useful.

Someone mentioned ink, but in general, I doubt logging is all that popular anymore, either... so Elm Logs likely aren't as plentiful as they were back in the day. At least in desperation, a vendor in Tav sells those for like 7k, but in the long run, non-HQs would run for roughly 4.5k per 99 with crystals and other incidentals if you're also making the bast parchment (which will require more than 29 wood and an alchemy sub). So, 54k a stack versus 90-100k on the AH. Pretty killer markup, but this isn't exactly a one-and-done synth, either. Probably took me about a half hour to make 16 stacks from scratch the other day (ink included, spent 35k on 6 logs, 36 individual synth attempts) as I also felt 90-100k silly.

Also, if the tool bundlers aren't available, you can pretty much guarantee a spike for the week.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

For example my brother recently rejoined the game, so he needs to level Nin, however not only is shihei gone way up in price that someone newly joining or rejoining won't have the means to pay for it, Utsusemi Ni also shot way up in price.

Quite honestly I stopped paying attention to prices as a full stack of bags can last me awhile given my job and when I'm not tanking on DRK, but for people leveling subs the non leech way, it does pile up on them, because if you're new to the game or rejoined prior to abyssea's launch, you can't even make use of abyssea because SE made sure new players have to partake in the time sink of acquiring stones before enjoying the content, even with the recharge key items it still takes a new player quite awhile to build up enough stones to make abyssea useful.

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But it's not that hard to make gil either... go solo EP/DC mobs with FoV, you'll get lots of beastman seals. Do Under Observation or Royal Jelly or one of the other ones that drop a well-selling scroll, or even get Utsusemi yourself! That's where I got my scroll, rather than buying it. Saved me a pretty penny too, and I've sold a couple since then for lots of profit.

I completely agree with you here, that Shihei are becoming grossly over priced. As a high level Alchemist I manufacture one of the main ingredients for Shiehi, black ink, and I sell it on the auction house. However, I've noticed a growing problem on my own server. Fishermen are jacking up the price of Nebimonites way more than they should be. (They are not that hard to catch... Why do they need to be 20k or more a stack???) Nebimonites are a main and most expensive ingredient in making this ink. Because of the fish being so pricey it causes alchemists to have to pay more and thus we have to put up ink higher, and because of the higher prices Shihei are costing a lot more to make.

And to all of you who are saying people are willing to pay over 100k for a stack of toolbags... It's not that they're willing, it's that Shihei are a NECESSITY in some situations. If you put Shihei up for 300k they would pay it and that's a sad fact.

This isn't about making money anymore, this is about fishermen just being plain greedy. I remember when these fish were much cheaper a year ago. I've become so frustrated with this situation that I've taken up fishing and woodworking. I'm just plain SICK and TIRED of all these price jack ups. It's completely wrong to do this and I feel extremely sorry for any new players taking up Ninja.

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Originally Posted by Eri

So your saying in a 20 min fight. The said mage will not run out of mp and will not Cap hate, and die in 2 hits?

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Yes to mp, maybe, to hate (does not matter if they pull hate anyway), and lol@dying in 2 hits. Any mage job can easily survive a minimum of 5 hits from anything, and usually more like 10-15. Without any cures.

Maybe I just don't notice the price because I remember shihei being 50k/stack back in 2005, so I look at 6-10k each as nothing, or maybe you all just complain to much. Personally, I would love for the shihei price to be equal to the universal tools, so I could just buy from the NPC and not care, and use them for everything, instead of everything other then utsusemi, and constantly have to watch my shihei stack in inventory. It's sort of silly to use the universal tool for utsusemi currently since shihei is half the price =[

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Originally Posted by Reiii

I completely agree with you here, that Shihei are becoming grossly over priced. As a high level Alchemist I manufacture one of the main ingredients for Shiehi, black ink, and I sell it on the auction house. However, I've noticed a growing problem on my own server. Fishermen are jacking up the price of Nebimonites way more than they should be. (They are not that hard to catch... Why do they need to be 20k or more a stack???) Nebimonites are a main and most expensive ingredient in making this ink. Because of the fish being so pricey it causes alchemists to have to pay more and thus we have to put up ink higher, and because of the higher prices Shihei are costing a lot more to make.

And to all of you who are saying people are willing to pay over 100k for a stack of toolbags... It's not that they're willing, it's that Shihei are a NECESSITY in some situations. If you put Shihei up for 300k they would pay it and that's a sad fact.

This isn't about making money anymore, this is about fishermen just being plain greedy. I remember when these fish were much cheaper a year ago. I've become so frustrated with this situation that I've taken up fishing and woodworking. I'm just plain SICK and TIRED of all these price jack ups. It's completely wrong to do this and I feel extremely sorry for any new players taking up Ninja.

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This is all too true. Fortunately in my own situation I am both fisherman and alchemist, so I'm in the unique position to farm my own ink. The problem I have is I never lvl'd woodworking. If I had lvl'd that I could make my own shihei since my alchemy is already at the needed lvl's. But due to my own short sightedness I am still a slave to the shihei crafter's.

It's always the non crafters who complain about prices ^^

It would take you a couple hours and maybe 200k to power level your woodworking up to 29... then you can make your own and not complain about price gouging....

shihei do go up a lot when wijinroots aren't sold by the npc's.... so if the conquest merchant doesn't sell them that week... expect prices to go up.