So are they banning people on the brew holds?

When Ducal Guard Atma made the avatar's physically immune, a GM told me that it was working "correctly" and that I could used my Solo Astral Burn method in partys. 3 Days later, they fixed it.

This is the same situation^^ I think what happend is that SE "messed up" and they just cant say that they did. I promise you, this will be corrected in the near future^_-

i don't know if you guys remember but probably a year or so ago when SE re did the ToS they clearly stated in the ToS that they can Ban any player for any reason, because even though WE pay that monthly fee SE owns the right to ffxi and OUR individual characters.. so they can essentially do what they want, but if they ban they just cant take your money along with it. (ie perma bans or more then one month bans)

So frankly they could have banned your 2 friends for anything they could have done slightly wrong, holding a brew is possible but doubtful since its not an unknown exploit of the game, holding timers for things such as flee, food even weakness when in cs's or talking to npcs has always been "by design" your friends probably pissed someone off, someone called a GM on them and so on.

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GMs can only tell you what is reported to them by SE. If SE isn't aware of any problem, the GM is just going to say it's working. That doesn't mean it is. It''s not the same situation- the development team is aware of the situation and at the present time they don't consider it a violation. Not all bugs are necessairly considered damaging by them either, and may or may not result in sanctions of they don't feel it's worthy of it. Until it's decided otherwise, there's nothing wrong with it.

Remember this mechanic has been around since the dawn of FFXI. All debuff timers (both positive and negative) are halted while in dialogue so that they're only counting down when you have control of your character.

The people doing this are simply ensuring that thet get their full 3 minutes worth, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

If SE didn't like you pausing time with NPCs/VC/ect to get more out of your brew they would of fixed it. Obviously they didn't like boost stacking to down kirin fast and that was fixed pretty fast. This has been left in the game forever.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

That may very well be true, but can you prove it? That's the point I'm trying to make. And the reason for the generic GM message may be because even if GMs do respond to you in person, so to speak - what exactly can they do? Also, I'm fairly certain they get a loooooooot of these calls - "omg that person outclaimed me 3 times in a row, they are botting!!!". If someone cares enough to make a GM call, they ought to care enough to submit a report to the STF. Either way, SE would have to investigate, and in most cases they won't be any the wiser.

As for the dead people sliding on the ground, I see that quite often in laggy places.

Also, Xbox players can get banned for RMT related activities.

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I played for 4 years. In that time, I've seen specific RMT miners mining 24-7 for a year and a half with no repercussions. I've seen players employ fishbot armies, again fishing 24-7, for over a year as well, funding their Relics, Mythics, K Clubs, and decking every armor slot out in 10 mil each items. That's just the stuff one person has obtained from their fishbots. I've seen and kept track of armies of AH bots buying/selling/manipulating the AH in groups every minute of every day. I literally saw some guy over the span of 6 months (24-7) employing 3 or 4 different bots to auto-experience every single job on his character to 75 (and he probably did something similar in Abyssea to get them to 90). Every. Single. Job. He alternated two de-level bots to keep the sync low enough for his main to sync to in Konschtat and auto-killed under the safety of his PL bot. I saw him stuck on the crag staircase on more than one occasion, all his characters continuously running into it.

SE has allowed all of this for years. You think GM calls do anything? They don't even respond to this stuff anymore, they merely direct to the STF. In the years that I've experimented with STF reports, not a single one has ever seen results. And I'm talking about the most blatant of the blatant here. I even had about 10 other people in my LS submit similar STF reports for the same offenders once or twice; still nothing. The STF has never been more than a sham and was used purely for PR purposes back in the day.

I won't deny that a small number of players get banned in XI, but you can get away with just about anything these days and the chances of you being one of that small number is very unlikely (you have a higher chance of being banned for something SE retroactively decides they don't like even though they knew about it all along, like that Salvage duping fiasco). FFXI is now and always has been a botter's game. Fact of life.

Someone made a thread on here a few weeks ago about "brew holding" and the SE rep responded that it was a mechanic "working correctly" I have never heard of a 6 month ban either. If this happened recently, your friends should call in and see what exactly happened. A lot of people have been getting ban messages for billing issues etc.

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I won't deny that a small number of players get banned in XI, but you can get away with just about anything these days and the chances of you being one of that small number is very unlikely (you have a higher chance of being banned for something SE retroactively decides they don't like even though they knew about it all along, like that Salvage duping fiasco). FFXI is now and always has been a botter's game. Fact of life.

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That's fraud. If Square-Enix knows this kind of stuff goes on against their rules and deliberately goes the other way, it is committing fraud.

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That's fraud. If Square-Enix knows this kind of stuff goes on against their rules and deliberately goes the other way, it is committing fraud.

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Then sue them or shut up.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Then sue them or shut up.

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As I've said for about two years -- it's a question of standing.

I've certainly considered looking in to various avenues to legally challenge Square-Enix' deliberate abrogation of their own rules vis-a-vis Windower and a ton of other stuff.

The 6 month ban is fishy. All I have ever seen is 24 hour 72 hour and perma. To get perma you really got to try now a days. Shouting I use windower in port or saying you going to grief a player over and over while doing it using the wall of justice.