Obligatory Waltz Fix Demand

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Originally Posted by Kari

Even/odd would allow us to actually be healers again.
Right now, we're almost on the same level as anyone else who's /DNC when it comes to healing.
Jobs that are limited to Cure IV have better healing capabilities than DNC right now.
Not saying my DNC should be as good at healing as my WHM, but as the "front-line healer" role, gimping the hell out of our cures eliminates that position.

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it depends how you play the job i don't see it as a healing job well im more of the dd DNC then healer when it comes to partys we have WHM,SCH & RDM for that ye i will back heal and toss out the odd divine waltz and healing waltz if the main healers are out of or very low on mp but thats there job dont get me wrong if im soloing and see someone that could use a helping hand i will use my tp to cure them but the timers could do with being shortened and also could they change the useless 2hr we have to something that is worth useing.

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Originally Posted by Rionaheart

it depends how you play the job i don't see it as a healing job well im more of the dd DNC then healer when it comes to partys we have WHM,SCH & RDM for that ye i will back heal and toss out the odd divine waltz and healing waltz if the main healers are out of or very low on mp but thats there job dont get me wrong if im soloing and see someone that could use a helping hand i will use my tp to cure them but the timers could do with being shortened and also could they change the useless 2hr we have to something that is worth useing.

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Back when DNC was main healer for Dynamis, Einherjar etc, Trance was an amazing 2hr combined with Divine Waltz II for zerging/dangerous situations. They shouldn't change our 2hr, they should just make us a more viable job. :(

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

Not a chance guys. In fact, I think dancer is gonna be the next job to get nerfed. My dancer is a tougher soloer than my beast and I am an EXCELLENT beast.

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I don't even know what to say to this.

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Originally Posted by Delvante

Personally, I don't see where Curing Waltz IV and V are so annoying that you only use Curing Waltz III's. Especially in a solo aspect I don't bother curing myself depending on the things I fight until I get relatively low hp and then it's a once and done status. That's nice because then I can full cure (or near) and then go back to being the sick DD that I know how to be! hehe

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You make it sound like all you ever fight is EP mobs.
Sure, if you're fighting trash mobs that hardly damage you, you can top yourself off with CW4/5 and continue doing whatever -- they aren't going to damage you hard enough to need more cures.

However, against something that is capable of constantly lowering your HP, even with shadows, spamming CW3 will give you more survivability. CW4/5 give more HP in one Waltz, sure, but over time you're taking more damage than you're healing. You'll get more HP over time with CW3.
Then, in a party situation, it's just much much worse. The more people you have getting hit, the worse off you're going to be for healing.

Splitting Waltzes Odd/Even is a really great way to do this. We would be limited by our TP gain instead of being frustrated by recasts.

I think DNC is made to be a front-line support role more than cure bomb expert, so I don't want to see them become whm in TP form. I'd rather see them get things like AoE negative status ailment removal, and more creative options for sambas. I do think healing waltz should be on a separate timer though, and I do agree they should be able to blow TP faster.

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Originally Posted by Rionaheart

also could they change the useless 2hr we have to something that is worth useing.

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Really? How can you find Trance not useful, unless you're full-timing Sabre Dance? I think that's gotten my parties' butts out of the fire more than Benediction or Tabula Rasa has. One of the major features of Dancer is its ability to drop an insane amount of healing while doing decent-to-good damage. Removing one of the massive tools to do so? {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.} ^^

The only time I ever use Trance, is in Abyssea. Mob shit up, Aeolian Edge spam, use Trance to save my TP for WSs.
It's not a great 2 hour, but it does have it's uses. I hardly ever use it without access to 2 hour chests, though.

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Originally Posted by Pellucid

I think DNC is made to be a front-line support role more than cure bomb expert, so I don't want to see them become whm in TP form. I'd rather see them get things like AoE negative status ailment removal, and more creative options for sambas. I do think healing waltz should be on a separate timer though, and I do agree they should be able to blow TP faster.

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There would still be limits to curing, WHM will still always, always be better.
I'd rather see DNC capable of keeping HP up at a fair rate, where WHM can do that better, cure statuses, Bar-Elements, etc etc.
I play both DNC and WHM currently, and I know I don't want DNC to beat out my WHM in healing, however I can't consider my DNC a healer whatsoever now.

That's pretty much how I feel about Trance too. I like it for Aeolian Edge spam when I already have capped Azure, I don't like it otherwise.

Tabula Rasa is quite possibly the most useless 2-hour in the game, so it may be a bad example to pull for this. Benediction is more useful than Trance, in that it AoE cures everyone nearby and removes status ailments. The biggest problem with Bene is that most WHMs don't use it until it's far too late.

I agree to all of this, it is annoying! But wouldn't us being able to cure more, or take off debuffs while curing and all that good stuff make our solo experiances much much easier? I mean DNC is already amazing in that sense. To make DNC more of a main healer they would require being able to cure faster, if they did that they would probably add a crutch to your DDing ability immensly. Something fair needs to come into play.

The one thing I request is more waltze potency gear. Yes please! Love the idea of Waltz cap being adjusted too, for our benafit of course. :P

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Originally Posted by Lilsanchez

I agree to all of this, it is annoying! But wouldn't us being able to cure more, or take off debuffs while curing and all that good stuff make our solo experiances much much easier? I mean DNC is already amazing in that sense. To make DNC more of a main healer they would require being able to cure faster, if they did that they would probably add a crutch to your DDing ability immensly. Something fair needs to come into play.

The one thing I request is more waltze potency gear. Yes please! Love the idea of Waltz cap being adjusted too, for our benafit of course. :P

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There are already other jobs that solo much better than DNC when played properly.
There's also really no reason to "crutch" DNC's DDing capabilities.