Can we have a solid slection of jug pets and a pet tp bar? Please?

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Originally Posted by Louispv

Gerard's move landed because it was bio and bio couldn't miss. Everything added after gerard resisted the hp down outright, once SE remembered to put in max hp down resistance, since players could actually inflict it at that point. Nothing else seems to land on any current content regardless of what move it is. Pets besides being about 200 acc behind players seem to be about 3-400 magic acc behind them too. They gave even melee jobs without any magic magic acc+188 on 119 weapons, but seemingly none for BST pets. (though they gave a buttload to SMN and PUP since they get spells. My 115 avatars never get resisted, but my 119 tulfaire does every time. Yet another failure of the item level system, you have to remember to increase every stat, everywhere, and you just won't.) Chock another damned buff the pets need. Too bad they'll probably "fix" it with pet magic acc food that doesn't add any normal acc.

I used to use Unleash, then Swooping frenzy, then molting plumage spam to try and take advantage of the def and magic defense down. Until I tried to just spam molting plumage, and found out it was exactly the same damage as using Swooping frenzy first. Same thing with sweeping gouge spamming. So the defense downs just don't land at all on anything delve/battlefield related. And of course molting plumage's dispel goes off once every 47 times you use it, just ask anyone soloing arch angel Tarutaru and his blaze spikes, or Elvaan and her protect/shell.

And extra TP doesn't seem to do anything, as between the advent of ACC food, ready charge timers, the empy gloves TP bonus, and fencer's TP bonus, every single WS is at 300% tp now. Which makes me want to know the TP mod of their WS's, since it isn't damage+, it isn't additional effect acc+, and it isn't melee acc+, so what the hell does extra TP even do for pet ws's? I'm doubting that the "Overarching WS adjustments" in the next update will affect pet ws's at all, though, so we probably won't find out.

So I'd much prefer pets buffs, to enfeebles that won't land. And honestly it should just be a pet berserk, pet defender, pet aggressor and pet dodge that the master uses, so that every pet gets it instead of just one good pet.

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Swooping effects works just fine for me; the def down is noticeable, I don't know what to tell you man.....


As it pertains to the bolded; sure, but run wild is the pet's version of aggressor, berserk, and defender, plus a regen. This buff increases those stats by 25%, there is no use adding those things when we already have it; just shorten the timer.

Also, it is not all about debuffs, but dd; we are dd, need dd pets. We have no native offensive JAs, hence need quality dd pets to compensate for this.

Also, your pets are buffed Louis, several ppl noted positive results pertaining to the new pet food. There are also those whom would join pet oriented pts using drachen roll. I have no issues with acc, granted I have a $hit ton of pet acc at my disposal. Pets hit just fine, but the move removal must stop. Just shorten Run wild's timer; problem solved.

For run wild to help, it'd have to go from an ability you can keep up 1/3 of the time, to an ability that is always up, full time. Like a 5 min duration and a 1 min recast, or else your pet's worthless for 4 minutes if it dies, while run wild isn't up. It's just not going to happen. SE already thinks it's so powerful that you have to wait 15 full minutes between uses. I can't think of another time that SE said, "Oh this ability that's so powerful we don't want you to use it more than 4 times an hour, and that you had to use in conjunction with a second ability because it instantly killed your pet 5 minutes after use, you can just full time it now." Whereas they gave us spur. Another spur that gave your pet a 20% attack boost instead of Store TP would do wonders. Or if they just changed Spur to do that in the first place. (Seriously, store TP for pets that can't ws more than once a minute? What? That makes almost as much sense as making a SAM pet that can only.. ws.. once a minute.. oh right.)

That and Run Wild takes away the permanent 10 pet haste from keeping familiar up full time, since it will die with the pet after 5 minutes.

I'd like to know what you consider "issues with acc" because with all the same pet accuracy as you (barring anwig/solo DD hat/party instead of totemic) the pet's acc is still unacceptable on Normal. (And maybe even Easy for the Mithra/Gessho) I'm sure with mochi and all the acc gear you could pull maybe 55% acc on normal, but anything under 90% is unacceptable, and all that pet gear will be dropping your own accuracy into the toilet as well, and everyone involved will be hitting for peanuts with no DD stats for either player or pet. You can only use either the acc food, OR the attack food after all, while other jobs can use both at once. (Pizza/riverfin soup for melee, parfaits and snowcones for mages, Pot au feu/Kohlrouladhen for ranged, all give roughly the same as the pet acc and pet att food put together.)

We're already pretty far behind other DD's when wearing the same armor, because we have no DD abilities or traits. If we have to use neither any DD gear NOR any abilities or traits, the pet's not going to help our damage at all. If Ankusa had 20 acc and att for the master on top of the pet stats (like every other job's gear) it'd be another story, but giving your pet 30 acc and attack, is losing yourself about 65 of each. And some STR, and DEX, and store tp, and some multihit procs.

Gear ain't fixing it, and neither is food. So we're stuck with abilities and base stat increases. Abilities are a long shot, but we KNOW a large chunk of BST's problems come from the Ilevel system, and how SE just never even considered half the things they'd have to change. Pets are scaled up in stats based on what they were at 99 +20 normal levels, instead of how much players scaled up with 20 item levels for instance. Or that pets still use the 50% DEX/acc formula instead of the current 75% players use for another. We can likely get them to fix this still broken base stat problem. We can maybe get them to add abilities or traits to fix it. There's no way gear or food's fixing it though, and only Stockholm syndrome would make you happy with the scraps you've been thrown.

Kerehcatl +28, WKR axe +30, Hurch'lan Sash +10, Af Gaiter +10, Head +20, Mittens +20, food +16%; that is a $hit ton of acc. I do not run into acc issues; I can only tell you my personal experiences man. Me and SNK did not experience acc issues on normal; SNK stated that he/she was doing fine on difficult, I don't know what to tell you.....really.....our acc is fine. And no, my acc was fine.

As it pertains to run wild, yes, the removal of a vanished pet will help. Louis, you complain about pet's dmg, but you do not care about a dd pet; I am been trying to tell my fellow bst that this is the problem. The lvl system is not the problem, because bst were the same lvl as the master to begin with; the jug cap, lack of a true dd pet, move removal, and run wild's timer/disappearing pet are the issues. If SE reduced Run wild's timer to 6 minutes, removed pet disappearance, gave us a scorpion with sharp strike and death scissors, made all pets cap at 128 like the HQ crab,(We have to use merits to lvl pets, hence our jugs should scale higher than other pet jobs) and our problems would be solved. The acc, defense, and stat boost from run wild is alot Louis, +25%. Also, they do not need to add abilities or traits to fix the old formula, just fix the old formula, lol. Other jobs did not get new abilities to fix the old formula.

Louis, bst is not as bad as you make it out to be. My ws revival other dds. No I do not accept scraps, I just play my job to the best of my ability and did not experience acc issues on normal. We need to stop asking for a hand out and work for something; any job is sub-par if you do not work on it. Yes bst has issues, but it is not that bad. If my acc was fine on normal, imagine if they fixed the formula and run wild? Bst does not need anything over the top like aggressor or every pet getting berserk (Every pet does not have berserk), we already have a potent acc and attack boost, but SE screwed up the timer.

Edit: There is no point going back and forth about individual experiences. I did not experience acc issues, you did; what should I say? You didn't? I can only control my output. I am more concerned with jug selection, run wild, and move removal as opposed to bickering over individual experiences, but if you want to keep it going and give me free bumps, go right ahead my friend.

I posted this in another thread, but SE, is this too much to ask for?

Droopy Dortwin: Foot Kick, Dust Cloud, Whirl Claws, Wild Carrot, Wild Ginger.

Faithful Falcorr: Back heel, Fantod, Choke Breathe, Nihility Song, Hoof Volley Allow this to be used occasionally after a ready move.

Amigo Sabotender: Needle Shot, Photosynthesis, 1k needles, 2k needles, and 4k needles.

Gooey Gerald: Purulent Ooze, Fuscous Ooze, Corrosive Ooze, and Mucilaginous Ooze.

Blood Claw Shasra : Frenzied Rage, Pounce, Charged Whisker, Chaotic Eye, Blaster.

Scissorleg Xerin: Nature's Meditation, Sanguinary Slash, Sensilla Blades, Tegmina Buffet.

Crude Rahpie: Head Butt, Tortoise Stomp, Harden Shell, Earth Breathe, Aqua Breathe, Testudo Tremor.

These are just a few current-ish jugs that have had benifical moves mysteriously removed. Why were these moves removed? I know these abilities are implementable because the sheep has zerk (Frenzied rage and nature's meditation) and gooey has defense down (Sanguinary Slash). Pounce? It is just a normal move...why remove it? These moves are also available in monstrosity and are not overpowered with monsters that possess JAs, Magic, and instincts. Hoof volley could do insane damage only if you use fantod, but the ready meter does not allow that, unless you use unleash every hour.

Now, allow me to plead my case as to why these jug abilities and a adjusted run wild would not be overpowered.

1) Bst master has no native offensive JAs.

2) Every DD is superb on weaker content; imagine the top tier dd on that same stuff.

3) Run wild grants +25% boost to defense, attack, and acc, while giving a potent regen effect (Pet survival aid?). Pups receives a 25% acc boost through optimization and +25 from fine-tuning (iirc). Pup automatons also get attachments and JAs. Bst could have received instinct slots, but they went elsewhere XD. The only pet enchanting JA bst have is run wild. May we have a timer reduction? It is the only pet enhancing JA we have outside of familiar which does nothing for att, acc, or defense. Also, can the pet vanishing aspect be removed? Like I said, it is the only pet buffing JA we have.

4) Bst jugs are restricted to a ready meter, hence you can dictate which moves we can use and how often. Unleash? Sure, Unleash could be powerful, but that happens every hour.

5) Bst pets dmg decreases as the monster lvl increases (Which is why unleash would not be overpowered with stronger ready moves).

6) As Louis mentioned, bst jugs use the old formula

The pet food is a nice start, however, bst are asking for more acc and buffs when we already have that in run wild. Bst also complain about pet dmg when we have it in the Bloodclaw Shasra (Frenzied Rage, Pounce), Falcorr (Hoof volley), Raphie (Testudo Tremor), Nursey Nazuna (Capped, but rage, lambchop). Are there any plans to give these moves to our jugs? These will help us out immensely. I know it is possible, because Nazuna had zerk during her era. Can we please have these moves added to our current jugs? May we please have HQ versions of older jugs as well? The older jugs were really useful and I am sure a number of bst would like to use them again^^ Bloodclaw was a decently priced jug that was great for soloing, would be even better with pounce and frenzied rage. For all you jug price ppl out there; the older jugs had easy/cheap mats. The new jugs are not good dds; bst is a dd, hence need pets with dd capabilities. Ibuki's slashing Resistance is nice, but no pt ask Ibuki to tank; SoA bosses don't care about her slashing resistance. We need pets that improve our dps. ibuki is expensive; a HQ falcorr with hoof volley would push her to the side, due to its' dd capabilities and high evasion at lvl119. Ibuki has all of her native moves, so should Falcorr. The normal hippos in the past use hoof volley.

Giving bst non-dd pets with resistance only reinforces our role as an outcast, because these tanking pets are not capable of tanking any end-game content, hence bst sticks to soloing lower tier crap. Pet survival is important, but Ibuki's slashing resistance does not help in end-game; it just encourages bst to solo lower tier battles. Imo, better dd pets would encourage bst to jump into other content with friends.

If this move removal continues; I am just going to call quits on bst and play monstrosity.

Monstrosity allows monsters to use most of their native abilities on side/useless content; might as well roll with the real deal as opposed to stripped down jug pets on useless side content.