After reading this thread closely, you all have good points, and that is why SE is standing silent; there is too much conservancy on the matter. However, the one suggestion that I personally can agree on is the pet rolls for COR. I to feel that they should only target pets in the area, that way no one would be disrupted by a Dragoon's Roll.
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04-06-2014, 01:48 PMKaiichi
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04-06-2014, 02:35 PMLeonardus
Seriously SE, form up a test party with some iLv.119 BSTs and go pop a Level 120+ content monster.
Go do an AA on Normal/Difficult.
With a bard and/or corsair, and suitable gear, you can hit these with your axes. That's fine.
Your pets? Watch them struggle to even gain 100 TP without Run Wild.
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04-07-2014, 12:34 AMGlamdring
I do agree with the OP. however, pup and smn need an easier to obtain item to ilevel 119 their pet as well. example, the drop rate on divinator is just awful. It really isn't fair that our pets have to be gimpped without horribly difficult to obtain items. at least bst and drg can do it relatively easy through Ra'Kaz skirmish (only took me 1 month on beast going 2 days a week) but for smn and pup it's just not comparable.
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04-07-2014, 08:09 AMSNK
BST is fine with jug pets imo. Anything added to how strong they are would break them.
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04-07-2014, 08:49 AMDemonjustin
What all pet jobs need are for songs and rolls to simply affect their pets, simple as that, it would instantly make all pet jobs much more useful and wouldn't be breaking them or making them OP. Pets as it is are fine in unbuffed situations, sure, but as soon as you start getting to content where your acc starts to drop and you need to break out the Sushi what happens? Your pet goes from a helpful ally to a waste of space, unable to even land hits on an enemy let alone deal enough DMG to make up for the player's lack of such DMG.
One specific idea I had for BST to solve this issue is pet food that buffs like a Sole Sushi Treat that would give Accuracy+ in the exact same way that Sole Sushi do for players. PUPs have Attachments, so I say they can do without that kind of thing, but I think SMN needs something similar as well for high accuracy required situations.
Explain how in any content level 119 or higher BST is able to perform well at all. I've seen no BST do well in Skirmish, Delve, or even really AAs, let alone the new Delve monsters who are getting higher. To say BST is fine is to look only at Dynamis and other low level content and judge it on that basis alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNK
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04-07-2014, 01:10 PMJinzhaPuppetmaster's automatons need buffs just as much as all other pets despite attachments. Even with full accuracy attachments (maximized accuracy), automatons can't hit high level content. There's no need to separate bst from pup or smn from drg... We're all in the shitter together and the only way one pet gets buffs or pet food is if all of them do, so we need to stick together.Quote:
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04-07-2014, 02:20 PMOlorAgreed. Pet jobs unite.Quote:
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04-07-2014, 05:41 PMDemonjustinI know PUP needs buffs, I just didn't think the Accuracy and Atk issues were as pronounced on PUP because of attachments. Songs and Rolls I figured would be enough to pick up what they lack now rather than BST which needs that as well as some supplemental food backing it up, seeing as the cap is 80 Acc or so for Sushi I figured attachments probably do about the same or offer more flexibility provided Automatons and Pets are around the same by default. In either case, they all need buffs, just not sure as to what degree each need, not all fixes can work for all pets so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinzha
Full BST Relic excluding hands which are MR, + Tojil Belt, + Delve Bee and Hurkan Axes, you get significant Pet Acc and Haste enough to cap yet your pet still falls far behind DDs in even Skirmish, Accuracy can even be an issue on some targets, and there's no way to alleviate that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimlocke
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04-08-2014, 12:15 AMJinzhaBeastmaster probably does need some sort of supplemental food for accuracy and attack, but automatons, summons, and dragons need it just as much. I wouldn't argue so much that one pet should get a form of accuracy or attack bonuses over another unless it's a bonus directly to the job itself because it would be a bit weird if they make a food that only effects the accuracy/attack of beast pets and not all the others... That's like making Sole Sushi only effect Samurai and not all the other jobs.There's really no such thing as over capping accuracy or attack in this game, so the more the better for any pet, especially as content progresses and gets harder. As a person who has played PUP for many years, it's hard enough dealing with the 3 maneuver system that dictates what stats are on your pet, so I'd be more inclined to say that automatons actually really need food accuracy bonuses as well as accuracy from bard and corsairs because that means we can spend less time concerning about using thunder maneuvers (melee accuracy) or wind maneuvers (Ranged accuracy) and spend more time on other maneuvers that can be used to keep our pets alive or improve their damage efficiency.Quote:
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I'm not trying to personally attack you, by any means. I think the point you bring up of pet food is pretty important actually and it's why I'm sort of belaboring the topic. Pet food is another point that definitely should be brought up in this thread. Pets need food, buffs, and cures just as much as any other job and player.
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04-08-2014, 05:37 AMDeifactThis is discussing allowing pets to get buffs in group scenarios though.Quote:
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