Would that be bad to do at bosses like Yumcax and Hurkan? Then again as a WHM you have Mystic Boon which can convert the amount of damage you deal into MP. Which would be something nice to use if WHM did not constantly swap out sub weapons, ammo etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drybones
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08-18-2013, 07:31 AMDaemon
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08-18-2013, 07:53 PMDrybonesAs a whm i never use mystic boon, dosnt really give u the best mp, im mostly go for /sch as i can allways use sublimation, quick easy and i dont have to waist my time hitting the mob trying to get tp while everyone is dieing because i have no mp left, so i use sublimation because its quicker, easier and i can top my mp as fast as i can when i need it, no need for ws and then i can use light strategums and cut down the cost and timer for my mp, so i can save alot of mp, but if u thinking whm can use ws for mp back, why not keep the staff on and use spirit taker? much easier? but i dont see the point becuase a whm must hit to get tp in the 1st place and its a waste of time when i can use sublimationQuote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
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08-18-2013, 10:16 PMDaemonYeah I think SE should have implemented Mythic WS for mages with better thought. Although new armor and weapons are bringing stats up it would seem Mystic Boon could give back decent MP. At least in Abyssea I was able to gain back over 1k MP.Quote:
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08-18-2013, 11:01 PMDemon6324236
Simply put, there is no need for this besides for a few select jobs, most of which are mages, and do not really need the TP anyways. If you take a SCH to a party and they run up to WS rather than continue stunning, something is wrong, if its a situation where a SCH, WHM, or other job of the sort is meleeing rather than doing the primary thing they are brought for, there is a good chance that it is an easy enough event that you do not actually need a specific mainhand weapon in the first place. Even WSs like MBoon or the Emp Staff WS, you should not be getting TP, SCH is the only job which can reasonably excuse it besides BLM, which is taken to nothing. This kind of change would be easily abused by melees though, using a high multi-hit weapon for TP then changing to your strongest weapon to WS, repeat, it would be like gear swaps, but in my opinion it would be worse, and opening just another thing we will be expected to carry in parties.
All in all, unless some careful restrictions were made for certain jobs and certain pieces of gear or classes of weapons, I would be against this change. -
08-18-2013, 11:15 PMMirage
What if TP was only halved upon switching weapons?
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08-19-2013, 03:22 AMDrybonesMore thoughtful whm??! Whm was my 1st job to 75 BEFORE abyssea, i have NEVER seen anyone complain about my tlmethods of keeping people alive and i NEVER seen anyone use mystic boon, and in abyssea i dont often use sublimation or convert cauae of mm and alure, idk how u play whm but unless u wana get killed by mobs because ur feeding tp to them just for mp then by all means, i mean idk why a whm needs to hit in the 1st placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
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08-19-2013, 03:49 AMDaemonWhich is fine but my focus wasn't about WHM. Most of the time you won't see anyone use mystic boon because not many people have it or follow the concept of "Mages are not DD"Quote:
Originally Posted by Drybones
And read the other reason I listed this whole time. Mages switch gear sets such as weapon, sub and ammo that its impossible to maintain tp. You don't need to hit monster to gain it if Scholar and Corsair can freely give it to you through regain which would open up more possibilities to do other things in a party than be limited to a handful of tasks.
Why give such WS like mystic boon, omniscience, death blossom to a Mage class job and make the requirement of obtaining such WS ridiculous if the only benefit of using them is when you play solo?
That's like if REM was made to be solo and nothing else.
New Gear that's being released is telling us he is trying to bring up mages to be more hybrid than strict to back line only.
In that case I'd like to be more useful than be strict to heal and haste slave. -
08-19-2013, 04:09 AMDaemon
If events at Endgame are going to continue to be easy but longer to play, then I don't see why it's such a big deal asking to be able to do more things than be limited.
Unless you want to mash heal and haste macro and push 1 macro for WS 10 hours straight.
And my point is Mythic weapons, Relic, Emp are for level 99 jobs yet Mage class with level 99 WS such as mythic that is one of the most time consuming most ridiculous item to earn but can't be used at end game events since we lose TP from gear swaps. This is not our fault because how the DEVS designed the battle system.
It's 2013. I'd like to do more at 99 with ilvl gear that still be strict as front line or back line job.
Just because not all DD are meant to be a healer doesn't mean they can't be flexible and do hybrid things. Why else give dragoon the ability? Rune and Paladin?
Do I expect them to be a main healer or even a back up healer? No but at least everyone with hybrid abilities could help each other as a whole which would make it better to do events.
And Mythic WS for mages is powerful enough not to be made useless.
Unless you've never used WS like Omniscience before but are making comments on the topic you have no idea why it was brought up to begin with? -
08-19-2013, 05:02 AMDrybonesI understan why u want tp not to be reduced i do understand the topic, but what om sayong is u dont need to use a ws to gain mp, there are other methods to gain mpQuote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
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08-19-2013, 05:18 AMDaemonWell duh, that doesn't mean having more options will kill you. If Mystic Boon was meant to give you MP, then is should be made useful not useless.Quote:
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