war = overpowerful

Here is my -DT build:
Atlas+2/Eisen/____/Whatever
Versa+1/Twilight/Merman's/Brutal
Versa+1/Heavy/Dark/Dark (11% PDT/10% MDT)
Metallon/Turul's_thing/DS+1/Askar

52% PDT (caps at 50%, but you need to go over to hit the real cap)
22% MDT (need 1% more, better Dark ring I guess).

The sacrifices we make for 50% PDT allow other more durable jobs (like Monk, Ninja, or SAM outside Abyssea) to catch up to us. If WAR/SAM isn't using Hasso and Retaliation with a full Haste set, they aren't to be the best DD in the game. So situations that require durability bring our damage back in line (and possibly way below the line) with other DDs that start out more durable.

This post saddens me... I came to the Warrior part of the forum to see strategies and talk about how we can make Warriors better, not to see people get Emo because they are not Warriors..

Warrior is overpowered when you compare it to SAM, DRK, DRG. Especially when you factor in Ukko's Furry.

But rather than lowering the power of WAR, SE should focus on bringing SAM, DRK, and DRG back to glory themselves.

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Originally Posted by Wade

This is true, although I would rather tank SAM/NIN then :D Not sure at 90 but my Sam always outdid my War in Damage. I used to duo with WHM/BLM and SAM/NIN all the time. Third eye made a huge difference and I didn't think I WAR/NIN or even WAR/SAM would work as well.

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War is the first job I took to 75. In the beginning, I was noobish enough to think that Great Sword was an okay weapon to have. Well listening to others cured me of that habit and then I fell in love with dual wielding axes. I still keep a set of axes on me just in case I get in the mood to use them again. For the longest time, I was against going war/sam. Then there came updates... and now with Sekkanoki, I LOVE LOVE LOVE my war/sam combo. Don't get to play it as much right now because my Thf pulls in Dynamis and my little bit of other free time is spent helping others and leveling smn so I can low man some other expansions to get them done before I think about going hard core in abyssea. Yeah, I know. I'm strange.

Funny thing is, when I play on my sam... I always go sam/war. I never /nin. It's pointless to me.

Wade if your sam came close to your war dmg output you didn't know how to play/gear your war period.

if you all step back, and take a second to realize, that warrior sam drg and monk are all on relative par when outside of abyssea, youll realize that theres no need for QQIng, as ABYSSEA ENDED WITH HEROES. YOU HAVE AVERTED THE CRISIS, AND KILLED THE CAUSE OF THE CATACLYSM. END OF STORY. there will be more content, and it will be outside of abyssea. id personally like to see a good plot involving all of the heroes from all of the plotlines >_> expecially lion >_> she didnt get enough love after she pretty much came back from the freaking dead >_>

I like WAR but I think you are high if you think it's overpowered now. And like someone else said it has the defensive capabilities of a wet noodle. I love my Retaliation and Double Attack but i've been wondering if it might not start being necessary to sub MNK again?

War/Sam hit hasso and enjoy the fury, even vs monk's 90 emp mob war gets the job done faster!

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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Well I have to disagree with you there friend, since I actually have a completed -50%PDT (includes a Trial -pdt GA) and an high evasion set (includes a Trial evasion GA) that I use for tanking quite effectively. I'm still working on the -50%MDT set, but right now I'm at around -30%MDT. I'm able to tank just about every NM in Abyssea (Tunga is still a pain in the ass for any tank though lol) just fine with the same support as any tank would on WAR.
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In response to Wade's comment, /sam is the only sub you need when it comes to tanking :) /nin cannot compare to all the wonderful perks you get from /sam in regards to tanking and DD'ing.

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Hey King, just wondering if you're the same one on Valefor. I had to start all my stuff over again coming back to FFXI from years ago, just got back in about 9 months ago and WAR was my second job to 90, so I was wondering if I could hit you up sometime to go over some strategies on evasion, -PDT, and ability rotations if thats all right?

you gotta look at the jobs nature before you can say its overpowered

War overpowered? compared to what? other DD's? well lets look at it like this. WAR is suppose to be able to dish out the big dmg, that's why its a WAR class. People are calling war overpowered because their thf or whatever else job that dd's doesn't put out the DoT like the war class, well thats why your a thf or w/e job. Every job has their role. It's like RDM's and not having cure V and cure VI like whm's complaining about cure IV not being enough to main heal anymore. Well RDM wasn't meant to be a main healer, etc.

Yes WAR can tank as well, yes they have access to PDT and MDT and so do other jobs. Pretty much any dd job can tank in abyssea with proper atma, support, gear etc. Abyssea is sort of a god mode to have fun with. There was time before abyssea when people would moan and groan about SAM being overpowered and back in the day RNG was overpowered and blah blah.

But i go back to my original opinion, if you are calling WAR overpowered because of their damage they do in abyssea do to things like atma and Ukko's Fury, again i say what do you want from a WAR, to be dealing less dmg than X melee job? a war is a war. Every job has their role in game wars main role is dealing dmg. Should all jobs be equal in dmg they deal, of course not. Different jobs bring different roles and aspects to the game. Seeing a job class for what they really are will help you determine if its really overpowered or not. WAR may seem super strong to you in the dmg category right now because of abyssea but when the next nonabyssea content comes and people dont have atmas to use you will see new complaints like, why cant i do 4,5,6K ukkos, Victory smites, Jishnu's radiance, evisceration, etc. like i was in abyssea, QQ, cry cry, emo emo, etc.